The Amazing Spider-Man Too Soon!?

[DACMAN]

and yet, you state it as fact that the films were s***, they sucked, they didn't care about spider-man, it was all for money. so, yes, I'll stop being sam's minion the second you quit trolling.

Kthnxbye.

He's right, you are trolling. He was giving his point of few, and you are calling him a troll for it. You need to just leave if your going to act like this. He made some great points and instead of talking about them you just called him a troll.

 

[DACMAN]

No we can't wait a decade. The franchise was going no where (running around in circles). Sam Raimi, Tobey and Kirsten were all over paid for mediocrity. SM4 would have cost Sony a 100M on these three leeches alone. And Raimi was also getting a cut of the box office he didn't deserve, Tobey was getting part of the DVD sales he didn't deserve--nether of them cared about Spider-Man only about the money he made for them. The franchise was starving for new blood, the repetitiveness of Raimi was grueling, he lacked a clear vision for the series. Waiting would have made things worst.

Best. Post. Ever.

 

[Deaths Head II]

2/5 is a HECK of a lot better than 2/2 by the second film. Not to mention Spidey's biggest enemy, the Green Goblin was one of the two. Nolan saved the Joker because he knew there are so many storied to tell with that guy. Raimi on the other hand was too simple a story teller to think like that. Make a villain, kill a villain, make a villain kill a villain...

The Green Goblin legacy was always a bigger threat to Peter then Norman as an individual ever was. And Raimi focused on that for all three films.

 

[DACMAN]

counted scarecrow twice. but still moral of the story = villians will not always live

And forgot Zsasz all together. Who never died. Whatever. The point is everytime someone says something other than "RAIMI IS THE BEST" you call them a troll, which ironically makes you a troll. Everyone keeps making great points and all you do is post stupid pictures and troll. Knock it off.

 

[DACMAN]

The Green Goblin legacy was always a bigger threat to Peter then Norman as an individual ever was. And Raimi focused on that for all three films.

That's actually a good point. Take note venomvsspidey. This is how you discuss and not troll.

But I got to disagree. Norman was always a bigger threat. Norman has been around for decades while Harry was only the Goblin for like a decade. But I know what you're saying. The legacy of the Goblin was present in all three films.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

And forgot Zsasz all together. Who never died. Whatever. The point is everytime someone says something other than "RAIMI IS THE BEST" you call them a troll, which ironically makes you a troll. Everyone keeps making great points and all you do is post stupid pictures and troll. Knock it off.

Zsasz was just a cameo. He had a whole what..3 minutes of screentime? So I don't really count him as a villain to battyboy.

and I ain't trolling, and for you to call me a troll, when you do In fact, troll...

 

[chaseter]

Not after seeing Spider-Man 3. Everyone knew these movies were headed to Batman and Robin territory. Not to say Spider-Man 3 was as bad as B and R, it was just a sign that it was headed in that direction.

And as far as budget, I kind of agree. I'd like to see a bigger budget for better special effects, but Raimi and co were blowing the budget up by asking for the numbers they were. Look at it this way, Twilight was under 40 million to make. Spidey will be twice that. But then again the SFX in twilight sucked.

HAHA. You continue to fail to see that Sony, Arad, and Zirskin were the ones that meddled with SM3 and SM4 and you think the reboot is going to be the best thing ever. Guess what! Sony, Arad, and Zirskin ARE STILL THERE.

Also, Dacman whining about other people trolling is the funniest thing ever. The irony of it all.

 

[Doc Ock]

I don't understand why we all must be so hostile to one another, but as I said the first three Spidey films are fresh in many minds and people continue to watch them to this day, especially kids. I told some of my family members who liked the Spidey films that it was being rebooted and they simply went "What the heck! Thats foolish!" Of course I thought the same thing, I did expect a reboot to eventually happen, but not so soon....I was expecting Spider-Man 4. Sony annoys me....

 

[©KAW]

HAHA. You continue to fail to see that Sony, Arad, and Zirskin were the ones that meddled with SM3 and SM4 and you think the reboot is going to be the best thing ever. Guess what! Sony, Arad, and Zirskin ARE STILL THERE.

Also, Dacman whining about other people trolling is the funniest thing ever. The irony of it all.

And you fail to see, or to comprehend, that Sam Raimi was this franchise biggest problem. Who decided to give us organics, or made Sandman Uncle Ben's killer, who decided to make Mary Jane a droll, depressing, unkempt and jealous little twit, who decided to turn Peter Parker into Peter Pan who never grows up or evolve, who decided to turn Spider-Man into a mute with no personality--who's loved by the public and giving his own parade and a key to the freakin' city, Sam Raimi?

Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin are indeed the other 40% of the Spider-Man franchise infection, I'll give you that. But at least it has a chance of survival having cut the other 60% that is Sam Raimi, Tobey and Kirsten.

Wouldn't it be nice if someday we can find cure for Spidey, by getting rid of the other 40% of his infection (Arad/Ziskin Disease), so we can see Spider-Man make a full recovery.

These message has been brought to you by DR. KAW.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well alot of people were expecting three more Spidey films. Plus many people love the first three movies and say Tobey Maguire is Spider-Man and still watch the films often. A reboot so soon is going to cause confusion in my opinion.

One of my many problems.

 

[DACMAN]

People weren't that confused when they rebooted HULK, Batman, or James Bond. And Bond even has those continuity errors and people still don't care.

 

[DACMAN]

HAHA. You continue to fail to see that Sony, Arad, and Zirskin were the ones that meddled with SM3 and SM4 and you think the reboot is going to be the best thing ever. Guess what! Sony, Arad, and Zirskin ARE STILL THERE.

Also, Dacman whining about other people trolling is the funniest thing ever. The irony of it all.

Right. Cause when I point out someone is trolling it's me "whining." Dude your such a jerk it isn't even funny. Seriously. You need to back off. Because you know what? You just said I troll. Does that mean you're "whining"? Now THAT'S ironic.

But to get back on topic, Sony the film studio is not a person so I don't know why you included Sony with Arad and Ziskin. Do you not understand that Sony is a company and not an actual entity?

 

[©KAW]

People weren't that confused when they rebooted HULK, Batman, or James Bond. And Bond even has those continuity errors and people still don't care.

Exactly, it's just more idiotic excuses from those who can't see anything beyond Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. Well, they better get use to Spider-Man without Sam Raimi because he's not coming back, thank goodness.

 

[Chris Wallace]

People weren't that confused when they rebooted HULK, Batman, or James Bond.

Sorry, not true.

 

[Doc Ock]

One of my many problems.

Very true, I'm just not open minded to see all the problems outright.

People weren't that confused when they rebooted HULK, Batman, or James Bond. And Bond even has those continuity errors and people still don't care.

I doubt that. Plus some people consider The Incredible to Hulk to be a sequel to Hulk. Bond is Bond......but I remember many people being upset of Pierce Brosnan leaving 007 and people complaining they didn't understand Casino Royale because they didn't realize it was a reboot....a reboot for Bond made sense though as Bond had already been ongoing for about 40 years, i'm surprised it wasn't rebooted sooner. Batman, that was different, after two not so stellar films (Forever and Batman & Robin) I think a reboot made sense.

 

[DACMAN]

Double Post

 

[DACMAN]

Very true, I'm just not open minded to see all the problems outright.



I doubt that. Plus some people consider The Incredible to Hulk to be a sequel to Hulk. Bond is Bond......but I remember many people being upset of Pierce Brosnan leaving 007 and people complaining they didn't understand Casino Royale because they didn't realize it was a reboot....a reboot for Bond made sense though as Bond had already been ongoing for about 40 years, i'm surprised it wasn't rebooted sooner. Batman, that was different, after two not so stellar films (Forever and Batman & Robin) I think a reboot made sense.

Bond is Bond isn't a good arguement. But the point still stands. People went to go see all those movies and they all did well. People, more than ever, understand what a reboot is. People aren't stupid. They'll figure out what's going on. And talking about Pierce Brosnan is pretty near sighted as far as the entire Bond series goes. They've thrown in how many different actors to play Bond at this point? Spider-Man really needed new blood. BAD. And I'd rather get a new Spider-Man movie sooner than later. I actually heard someone say they'd be ok with waiting another 30 years for a Spider-Man movie. That's crazy. Some of you people care WAY to much about how much the average movie goer is going to enjoy this movie, or whether or not they're going to be confused. WHO CARES?!!!!? As long as I enjoy the movie I couldn't care less. The sooner the better.

 

[Doc Ock]

Bond is Bond isn't a good arguement. But the point still stands. People went to go see all those movies and they all did well. People, more than ever, understand what a reboot is. People aren't stupid. They'll figure out what's going on. And talking about Pierce Brosnan is pretty near sighted as far as the entire Bond series goes. They've thrown in how many different actors to play Bond at this point? Spider-Man really needed new blood. BAD. And I'd rather get a new Spider-Man movie sooner than later. I actually heard someone say they'd be ok with waiting another 30 years for a Spider-Man movie. That's crazy. Some of you people care WAY to much about how much the average movie goer is going to enjoy this movie, or whether or not they're going to be confused. WHO CARES?!!!!? As long as I enjoy the movie I couldn't care less. The sooner the better.

I am the same way, but its not fair, I'm bitter over the reboot mainly because Sony screwed Raimi over. Will I give the reboot a try? Definitely! Will I be happy about. No. If the releases date of the reboot was the same date as Spider-Man 4 I bet Raimi would still be here and we would more on the way.

 

[TheSlag]

The Green Goblin legacy was always a bigger threat to Peter then Norman as an individual ever was. And Raimi focused on that for all three films.

What "Legacy"? If you mean the threat that the Goblin knew who Spider-Man was, heck in the Raimi verse, so does EVERY OTHER villain.

Doc Ock.. Check
Harry (surfer Doood) Check
Venom.. Check
Sandman.. Check

Not ONE villain did NOT know his secret identity.

The Goblin Legacy is a) knowing Spider-Man is Peter Parker, and b) making a loved one pay the ultimate price for it *SNAP*

I certainly HOPE they get that aspect right in the reboot, and limit those villains that KNOW who Spider-Man is, where it is more powerful when one finds out (Gobby).

 

[TheSlag]

He's right, you are trolling. He was giving his point of few, and you are calling him a troll for it. You need to just leave if your going to act like this. He made some great points and instead of talking about them you just called him a troll.

exSMACKly

 

[Dragon]

What "Legacy"? If you mean the threat that the Goblin knew who Spider-Man was, heck in the Raimi verse, so does EVERY OTHER villain.

Doc Ock.. Check
Harry (surfer Doood) Check
Venom.. Check
Sandman.. Check

Not ONE villain did NOT know his secret identity.

With the exception of Sandman, all those guys learned his ID in the comics as well. Hell, at one point EVERYONE knew it.

The Goblin Legacy is a) knowing Spider-Man is Peter Parker, and b) making a loved one pay the ultimate price for it *SNAP*

I certainly HOPE they get that aspect right in the reboot, and limit those villains that KNOW who Spider-Man is, where it is more powerful when one finds out (Gobby).

The Goblin Legacy isn't much of a Legacy. It was never fully explored in the comics. Despite Gwen's death, Peter's life and approach to it didn't change at all. He continued to pursure relationships and be Spider-Man, which would have endangered them in the same way. And, since the Goblin's return, Peter has done nothing- NOTHING to make him pay for Gwen's murder. So what exactly is the importance of this legacy?

Since, again, a number of others have learned Peter's identity and no one else has been killed because of it, what difference does it make?

 

[DACMAN]

exSMACKly

HAHAHAH! I said point of "few". That's funny.

 

[DACMAN]

Exactly, it's just more idiotic excuses from those who can't see anything beyond Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. Well, they better get use to Spider-Man without Sam Raimi because he's not coming back, thank goodness.

It's actually really annoying. Sometimes it feels like I'm on a Raimi fan site instead of a Spider-Man fan site. And for the most part I enjoyed the films, but I'm not a Raimi fan, I'm a Spider-Man fan and there are so many things he screwed up.

 

[DACMAN]

exSMACKly

You make all kinds of great points. And then these guys just roll over them and call you a troll. I get the same thing. Instead of dealing with the issues we just get called names. These guys need to leave and go to some Raimi fan site already.

 

[TheSlag]

With the exception of Sandman, all those guys learned his ID in the comics as well. Hell, at one point EVERYONE knew it.

I assume you mean over many years and many stories which is not the same a movie timeline. I can only work off the years I read ASM, and I do not recall Doc Ock knowing who Spider-Man was, nor do I remember the Vulture, Kingpin, Scorpion, etc.

The Goblin Legacy isn't much of a Legacy. It was never fully explored in the comics. Despite Gwen's death, Peter's life and approach to it didn't change at all. He continued to pursure relationships and be Spider-Man, which would have endangered them in the same way. And, since the Goblin's return, Peter has done nothing- NOTHING to make him pay for Gwen's murder. So what exactly is the importance of this legacy?

Since, again, a number of others have learned Peter's identity and no one else has been killed because of it, what difference does it make?

Again, I can only judge from what I knew and read back during ASM. I do not know what "perverted" (it sounds storylines) have developed since, over the years.

And as far as Peter reacting to the death of Gwen Stacy, did you really expect them to write the story as "The Amazing Peter Parker"??? and have him quit being Spider-Man due to mourning? Really??? You think the sales of the comics would of been good? LOL t: Come on. Or you "really" think they were NOT going to write in another love interest? Really? Come on, you're more intelligent than that.

You seem to be blaming the lack of the Goblin Legacy impact on the writing on the character to cater to selling comics.