The Amazing Spider-Man Too Soon!?

[TheSlag]

Well, for me, cannot speak nor dare would for Dac, considering the "source", I wear the incorrect badge of "troll" with pride.

And as for "smug attitude", I KNOW there are many more than me with greater knowledge of all things Spidey, but I think I can match anyone's passion for the subject. And if that implies "smug" to you, so be it.

 

[TheSlag]

Because Sony isn't Warner Bros?

Thank God! Considering what Warner Bros did (or allowed to be done) to the Batman (And Robin) franchise.

At least Sony, has not stooped to this level yet.

 

[The Joker]

Raimi claimed he had full creative control for Spider-Man 4 several months ago. Obviously that wasn't the case.

 

[spider-neil]

I freakin love it too!
I feel like yelling 'Suck it Raimi fans!' but if I did that, I might get in trouble.

I vividly recall sitting in the movie theater in 2002 at the age of 22 for the first showing of Spider-Man in Manchester/England. Watching trailers waiting for the film to start... I can't really put into words how excited I felt. It was as if my whole life had been building towards that day. Sounds pretty OTT but as a super fan of Spidey, it was literally the equivalent of a boxer walking down to the ring to face the world heavyweight champion, or the competitors of the men's 100 meters lining up for the Olympic final!

The moment I had dreamed about was finally here!

I became a Spiderfan at the age of 2 while watching 'Amazing Friends' and had collected the comics since the age of 10. I remembered all the film adaptation false starts, all the times it was said that Spider-man the movie was coming, particularly when James Cameron said after T2 his next film would be the ol' web head, in which Arnold would be Doc Ock! Weird. Alas it never happened.

So I'm sitting in the theater on my own at 11.00am on a Thursday waiting for the film... and then the black screen before credits that reads 'Spider-Man' in white.
Argghhh!!!! SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember watching it intently, it taking up my full attention. Mesmerized.
If someone had keeled over and had a heart attack a few seats away from me I probably would not have even noticed, let alone cared.

After the film, I walked out of the theater thinking (telling myself) it was great. How could it not be? It’s Spider-Man the movie!!! But the fact was there was a significant portion of discontent within me that would take two years for me to even acknowledge. I told myself that the film was a 10/10 or at the least a 9/10, but the fact was deep down inside, subconsciously, I thought much less of it than that. I just did not know yet.

There was stuff about the film which I thought was great- Willem Dafoe, the speech GG gives SM atop the Bugle, the webslinging scene at the end... Hmm that was about it.

But amongst the stuff that rubbed me up the wrong way, primarily those being 'It's all about a girl' (-No Raimi, you just missed the whole point of Spider-man! IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT A GIRL, IT'S ALL ABOUT PETER PARKER!), The 'Green Goblin' costume- FAIL, the horrible raised webbing/ padded suit/ painted on muscles Spidey costume, Kirsten Dunst- Mary Jane?!, .....

Amongst it all…. The main thing that really ticked me off was Tobey Maguire.
As PP in all 3 films he had no backbone, came off like a total drip and wuss with zero personality. In effect NOTHING like PP, and as Spidey had the same weak voice and none of the webslinger's trade mark humor.

It wasn't until after watching SM2, that I could finally admit all these things to myself. SM2 played out like some lams ass MTV movie and the only good bit was the train fight at the end. What the heck was all that stuff about making Octavius into this likable normal guy at the beginning? We never saw any of that in the comics and those scenes were boring as hell to watch and only served to dilute the character and fluff out the film.

It was a bitter pill to swallow; - that the films I had waited my whole life for, had Spidey miscast amongst many other crappy issues. Like making the focus of the series a corny movie-ized romance story.

NOW FINALLY IT IS OVER!

NOW FINALLY WE HAVE A SECOND CHANCE TO SEE SPIDEY PORTRAYED CORRECTLY IN A MOVIE.

So I'm pretty damn happy about the reboot and glad it's happening now rather than later. The main thing I am concerned about is the guy who gets cast as PP/SM playing those roles with more vibrancy, personality and backbone. If we can see Spider-Man's & Peter Parker's personality's portrayed correctly this time, the new film will be 10x better than Spider-Man 2002 by default.

SM2 is an awesome movie, its debateable whether it's an awesome 'spidey' movie (like it's debateable TDK is an awesome 'batman' movie) but as a movie it has depth, characterization, pacing, heart and most of all the action is amazing and what MAKES the action amazing is you care about there characters. it is easily (EASILY!!) one of the best superhero movies ever made and imho in the top TWO superhero movies ever made. a simply BRILLIANT movie.

 

[DACMAN]

I actually find myself agreeing with both of you.

 

[DACMAN]

Raimi claimed he had full creative control for Spider-Man 4 several months ago. Obviously that wasn't the case.

Which also points us in the direction that it was Raimi's idea for the "Vulturess"

 

[The Joker]

Which also points us in the direction that it was Raimi's idea for the "Vulturess"

I thought Raimi was a champion for Black Cat? There was whispers of her being in both Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 back in the days.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Vulturess was probably the nail in the coffin that forced Raimi's hand to walk. I doubt it was his idea.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Vulturess was probably the nail in the coffin that forced Raimi's hand to walk. I doubt it was his idea.

This.

 

[david icke]

And IF they do as you posted earlier, basically give us what is basically several episodes of Smallville clumped together as the reboot, it would be the BIGGEST MISTAKE Sony has ever made.

I certainly "hope" nor think they will though. The movie is primarially about Spider-Man, not Peter Parker (or Clark Kent as Smallville *spit* is).

Thank God!

Well, this has been my fear since that 80mil budget rumour surfaced.
That's not enough for a Spider-man heavy movie as it takes a lot of sfx to realise him properly onscreen.

I know we are on the same page when it comes to not wanting it to be 'all about a girl', but I fear it will be just like that too, even though it will not be declared as honestly as the Raimi film's set out their stall, yeah, at least they were honest about that.
But, a movie featuring teenagers, what does it focus on? Any movie with teens as the leads, esp set in a high school.
Less shots of New York, more school corridors, another fear that came with that budget rumour.

I want to see more of Pete's girlfriends taking centre stage in the movies, but I think i would prefer to see a more faithful to the books MJ done(who is not attending the same high school, have her the outsider who May wants Pete to meet, like the books, good storyline), than a Liz Allen who was a pretty generic teen movie gf.
Betty Brant? forget it, we will hardly see the bugle i imagine , like the Raimi movies, and i understand that, it can only be used when relevant.
edit: Gwen Stacey? Maybe, but i think they will go for MJ again.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Well, for me, cannot speak nor dare would for Dac, considering the "source", I wear the incorrect badge of "troll" with pride.

And as for "smug attitude", I KNOW there are many more than me with greater knowledge of all things Spidey, but I think I can match anyone's passion for the subject. And if that implies "smug" to you, so be it.

When I mean "smug", I mean comments like "we won, you lost", "you guys aren't true Spider-Man fans" and "Raimi fans should just leave this forum."

It's really annoying and extremely antagonistic.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Extremely.

 

[Dangerous]

SM2 is an awesome movie, its debateable whether it's an awesome 'spidey' movie (like it's debateable TDK is an awesome 'batman' movie) but as a movie it has depth, characterization, pacing, heart and most of all the action is amazing and what MAKES the action amazing is you care about there characters. it is easily (EASILY!!) one of the best superhero movies ever made and imho in the top TWO superhero movies ever made. a simply BRILLIANT movie.

Good for you.
For me it sucked.
The only bit I liked was the train fight.

My top 5 superhero films-

1-TDK
2-BB
3-Iron Man
4-Superman The Movie
5-Batman

 

[TheSlag]

When I mean "smug", I mean comments like "we won, you lost", "you guys aren't true Spider-Man fans" and "Raimi fans should just leave this forum."

It's really annoying and extremely antagonistic.

You mean as opposed to the other side calling us "Idiots" or "Trolls" or posting pictures of "Trolling" or some other childish activity.

I agree with your points that NO ONE should be labeling the other side. I do not think there even should be "the other side". We are all Fans of Spider-Man.

That said, we will NOT always have the same opinion on all things Spider-Man. And that is fine, it does not mean one opinion is right or wrong, or even one opinion is better than another.

Along that line, I have no problem with anyone posting relevant points in either thread. I detest the "You're not part of the gang" so you cannot post here BS

I do think that posting insults, or personal attacks, BY EITHER SIDE, is wrong. But posting releative comments regarding other posts is what this board is all about. Open Honest discussions about opinions.

 

[Dangerous]

I want to see more of Pete's girlfriends taking centre stage in the movies, but I think i would prefer to see a more faithful to the books MJ done(who is not attending the same high school, have her the outsider who May wants Pete to meet, like the books, good storyline), than a Liz Allen who was a pretty generic teen movie gf.
Betty Brant? forget it, we will hardly see the bugle i imagine , like the Raimi movies, and i understand that, it can only be used when relevant.
edit: Gwen Stacey? Maybe, but i think they will go for MJ again.

Interesting...

Personally I'd love to see MJ introduced as Aunt May's freinds' high flying niece instead of Parker's classmate, and her take more of a backseat role. Or just not be in this film. Also it would be great to see the romantic interests of SM2012 being Betty and Liz. TBH tho, I'd prefer if the romance was more in the form of subplots rather than being part of the core narrative.

I think if they go with unknowns that will free up some of the budget money so they don't have to pay top Hollywood salaries. Personally I'm optimistic about the reduced budget. It's early days.

 

[Deaths Head II]

You mean as opposed to the other side calling us "Idiots" or "Trolls" or posting pictures of "Trolling" or some other childish activity.

I agree with your points that NO ONE should be labeling the other side. I do not think there even should be "the other side". We are all Fans of Spider-Man.

That said, we will NOT always have the same opinion on all things Spider-Man. And that is fine, it does not mean one opinion is right or wrong, or even one opinion is better than another.

Along that line, I have no problem with anyone posting relevant points in either thread. I detest the "You're not part of the gang" so you cannot post here BS

I do think that posting insults, or personal attacks, BY EITHER SIDE, is wrong. But posting releative comments regarding other posts is what this board is all about. Open Honest discussions about opinions.

Agreed.

 

[bunk]

I don't think it's too soon for Spidey, because I don't think the audience is at all tired of the character and what he brings. All the other franchises mentioned—Bond, Batman, ect—audiences were just tired of them so it made sense to wait a bit.

 

[TheSlag]

Interesting...

Personally I'd love to see MJ introduced as Aunt May's freinds' high flying niece instead of Parker's classmate

I believe that was what he was referring to. And I agree with you both on that point, I have always loved the storyline that leads up to the "Face it Tiger... You just hit the Jackpot". And I think it would play out great on the screen.

 

[TheSlag]

I don't think it's too soon for Spidey, because I don't think the audience is at all tired of the character and what he brings. All the other franchises mentioned—Bond, Batman, ect—audiences were just tired of them so it made sense to wait a bit.

I agree completely on the Spider-Man part, but again, I like others, are completely biased on that I am sure, as we are all Spider-Man fans here.

Also, I think the fans cannot wait for Batman's next installment, as the BB and especially TDK has fueled the fires again on that front.

Bond.. *meh*.. just my opinion.

 

[DACMAN]

Vulturess was probably the nail in the coffin that forced Raimi's hand to walk. I doubt it was his idea.

I'd think the other way around. He didn't write the script for this one like he did SM3. Everyone was saying Black Cat as the script was being written. After Raimi was handed the script and it called for "rewrites" all the sudden we were hearing about the Vulturess. We may never know but I think the Vulturess was all Raimi. It came after the rewrites started so to me that means it was Raimi and not the guy who wrote the script. Just a thought.

 

[DACMAN]

I believe that was what he was referring to. And I agree with you both on that point, I have always loved the storyline that leads up to the "Face it Tiger... You just hit the Jackpot". And I think it would play out great on the screen.

Can you imagine this new film ending with that? Geekasm straight up. Have the whole film leading up to that moment Peter opens the door. He keeps coming up with excuses not to see MJ the entire movie until he finally sees her at the very end and she drops that line. How awesome would that be!? I can't wait for this reboot!

 

[spider-neil]

Good for you.
For me it sucked.
The only bit I liked was the train fight.

My top 5 superhero films-

1-TDK
2-BB
3-Iron Man
4-Superman The Movie
5-Batman

1. TDK
2. SM2
3. STM
4. SM1
5. IM

the 80's batman doesn't even figure or me, I thought they were rubbish and BB is a riduclously overrated movie with poor pacing, weak action and an absolutely RUBBISH 3rd act. just my opinion as you are entitiled to your opinion of raimi's spidey movies.

 

[david icke]

I believe that was what he was referring to. And I agree with you both on that point, I have always loved the storyline that leads up to the "Face it Tiger... You just hit the Jackpot". And I think it would play out great on the screen.

Yeah Dangerous, by 'outsider' I meant MJ being outside of Pete's day to day life, not a part of the high school or Bugle circle.

and yeah, as Dacman suggested, it would be awesome to have that plotline played out only for us to see the Jackpot scene at the end.

Throughout the movie they could have her face obscured by plantpots etc like the books

 

[TheSlag]

Can you imagine this new film ending with that? Geekasm straight up. Have the whole film leading up to that moment Peter opens the door. He keeps coming up with excuses not to see MJ the entire movie until he finally sees her at the very end and she drops that line. How awesome would that be!? I can't wait for this reboot!

I definitely agree with wanting to see that scene in the reboot, not so sure about it being at the ending, but maybe... hmmm...

 

[spider-neil]

if you filmed a movie back to back you could actually have the 'face it tiger' line at the end of the first movie without the actress feeling like she is only turning up to say one line.

so filming back to back you can have several plotlines on the go and flesh them all out making them feel natural and organic. you can flesh out curt conners, max dillon, EBJ, quinten beck, mat gargen over the course of three movies and when they change it will have more of an impact.