The Amazing Spider-Man Too Soon!?

Is the reboot coming too soon?

  • Yes. This is too much, too soon. They should give it a couple more years past 2012.

  • No. I want more Spidey now! 2 1/2 years to wait is already too long!


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I am very happy to have another Spider-Man film but I'm worried about having a reboot this early all the same. Not just what it means for Spider-Man but what it means for super hero films as a whole.

And what is that exactly?

My first thought is: They are capable of learning from their mistakes and getting on with the 'let's start over and do things right' process without wasting valuable time.

Sounds like a plus to me. :oldrazz:
 
And what is that exactly?

My first thought is: They are capable of learning from their mistakes and getting on with the 'let's start over and do things right' process without wasting valuable time.

Sounds like a plus to me. :oldrazz:

Well my first thought is that we'll just get reboots galore and any continuity between films will just die off. Everytime a franchise goes somewhat bad we'll just go right back to the beginning. Plus it might mean we'll just have the same stories told over and over again and no new material.
 
I never said I was going to hate Spider-Man 4. I was concerned about some of the things I was hearing. "Vulturess"? I think everyone was worried.

And the difference between you and me is I wanted Spider-Man 3 to be awesome. I really enjoyed a lot of things about Spider-Man 1 and 2 just to see Raimi ruin them in 3 (even though I enjoyed some parts of 3). I can never look past the fact he made the Sandman Uncle Ben's killer. I'm sure that will be one of the first things they fix in this reboot. And while I wanted Spider-Man 3 to be awesome, you seem pretty dead set against this movie even though you haven't seen it yet. I'll never want anything Spider-Man related to suck.
DAC...you were 100% against Raimi for SM4. You called for a reboot after SM3. You even made a "For those who hated Raimi" thread. To pretend that you didn't think SM4 was going to suck in your opinion is hilarious.

When did I not want SM3 to be awesome:huh:

We all were scared about the Vulturess. No one here thought it would be awesome. But, you decided to bash Raimi for it, said it was his idea. I then called you out and you asked me to post a link refuting you, to which I did. I have seen you multiple times read reports of what SM4 was going to be and blame all of those things you disliked on Raimi (Peter and MJ having a baby) and you have expressed many times that SM4 would have been bad had Raimi stayed on. Do you know that? No you don't. You even called people "Raimi lovers" as to imply an insult. It is now hilarious that you are now the peace keeper for the reboot and are now fully optimistic about what you think you will get. The 180 you pulled is hilarious so to then whine that other people are doing what you did for 3 years is great.:awesome:

I never said a thing about sacrificing quality. I'd appreciate it if you didn't say I said things that I didn't. Of course I value quality. What a rubbish retort.

But here's something that might come as a surprise to you: Time is not equal to quality, and it CAN be wasted. You, as a Spidey fan, should know that last bit by now. Spending more time on a movie doesn't automatically make it better than if it had come out sooner. To assume so is naive, reckless, and unproductive.

Further, what impact does the Twilight series have on Spider-man besides potentially competing for box office winnings? Spider-man is not Twilight, they'll make Spidey how they make Spidey. Twilight sucks because Twilight sucks. It's got nothing to do with how fast the movies are released.

"Why would anyone want less Spidey films in the short amount of time we have in this life? :whatever: Waiting longer is both silly and a WASTE."

I take quality > quantity any day. Did I say you said quantity > quality or was that me saying what I prefer?:o Lets say we both live another 80 years. If you want 40 Spider-Man movies in that time, then go ahead and wish away. If you think pushing out as many Spider-Man films as they can is going to increase quality or keep the level of quality the same, then it was a rubbish retort. That isn't the way things work. In comparison with the Twilight films, the producers see how big of a fan base the books have and are pushing these movies out as fast as they can. They are all coming out about 1 year apart from the previous. The next one is coming out in less than 1 year that the previous one came out. See the SAW franchise for another example. It has EVERYTHING to do with how fast they release these movies. Do you not know how the industry works? I guess you are right. Writing a good script, scouting locations, pre-production, filming, post production, etc...don't have any sort of time frame in regards to quality.:dry: If you think the writer's strike caused a bunch of movies to speed up the process to get a script before the strike resulted in some great movies then I am full of it! Time in your opinion isn't required in the process.

I also love how there has been a recent uprising in other people outlining what a Spider-Man fan is and should be. Quite hilarious.
 
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Well my first thought is that we'll just get reboots galore and any continuity between films will just die off. Everytime a franchise goes somewhat bad we'll just go right back to the beginning. Plus it might mean we'll just have the same stories told over and over again and no new material.

I can easily live with that IF they get the story correct the second time around.

And continuity to what? GweMJ character? Whimpy or crying or Emo Peter? Or continuity to the ALL about ONE girl BS? Or continuity to EVERY villain knowing Peter's identity? or a personal connection to Peter?

or...
or...
or....????
 
DAC...you were 100% against Raimi for SM4. You called for a reboot after SM3. You even made a "For those who hated Raimi" thread. To pretend that you didn't think SM4 was going to suck in your opinion is hilarious.

When did I not want SM3 to be awesome:huh:

We all were scared about the Vulturess. No one here thought it would be awesome. But, you decided to bash Raimi for it, said it was his idea. I then called you out and you asked me to post a link refuting you, to which I did. I have seen you multiple times read reports of what SM4 was going to be and blame all of those things you disliked on Raimi (Peter and MJ having a baby) and you have expressed many times that SM4 would have been bad had Raimi stayed on. Do you know that? No you don't. You even called people "Raimi lovers" as to imply an insult. It is now hilarious that you are now the peace keeper for the reboot and are now fully optimistic about what you think you will get. The 180 you pulled is hilarious so to then whine that other people are doing what you did for 3 years is great.:awesome:



"Why would anyone want less Spidey films in the short amount of time we have in this life? :whatever: Waiting longer is both silly and a WASTE."

I take quality > quantity any day. Did I say you said quantity > quality or was that me saying what I prefer?:o Lets say we both live another 80 years. If you want 40 Spider-Man movies in that time, then go ahead and wish away. If you think pushing out as many Spider-Man films as they can is going to increase quality or keep the level of quality the same, then it was a rubbish retort. That isn't the way things work. In comparison with the Twilight films, the producers see how big of a fan base the books have and are pushing these movies out as fast as they can. They are all coming out about 1 year apart from the previous. The next one is coming out in less than 1 year that the previous one came out. See the SAW franchise for another example. It has EVERYTHING to do with how fast they release these movies. Do you not know how the industry works? I guess you are right. Writing a good script, scouting locations, pre-production, filming, post production, etc...don't have any sort of time frame in regards to quality.:dry: If you think the writer's strike caused a bunch of movies to speed up the process to get a script before the strike resulted in some great movies then I am full of it! Time in your opinion isn't required in the process.

I also love how there has been a recent uprising in other people outlining
what a Spider-Man fan is and should be. Quite hilarious.

:pal::applaud:bow::highfive:
 
while the HULK even took 5 years before the reboot.

yeah, and where's all the news about a TIH sequel? Or ANY hulk news for that matter? And although I liked it, wasn't it not well recieved by alot of critics and moviegoers? yerp.
 
I can easily live with that IF they get the story correct the second time around.

And continuity to what? GweMJ character? Whimpy or crying or Emo Peter? Or continuity to the ALL about ONE girl BS? Or continuity to EVERY villain knowing Peter's identity? or a personal connection to Peter?

or...
or...
or....????

My point stands even if you dislike the continuity or not. If a continuity this financially and critically successful can be thrown out at a whim, what's to stop every other franchise from doing the same? If rebooting becomes an easy out to deal with recasting or stubborn directors then I think that's a very bad precedent.
 
My point stands even if you dislike the continuity or not. If a continuity this financially and critically successful can be thrown out at a whim, what's to stop every other franchise from doing the same? If rebooting becomes an easy out to deal with recasting or stubborn directors then I think that's a very bad precedent.

I don't, if the continuity sucked, even if it was "successful".

SM1 and SM2 were good, even though they could of been so much better. And SM3 showed signs of too much redundancy and too much emphasis on the ALL about one Girl.

Thus, SM4 basically (for whoever you want to assign the blame), had left itself very little leeway to proceed. Evidence by a) Vulturess b) talk of Peter and MJ having a baby :wow:

This franchise had basically no where to go but DOWN. I am not saying it would of failed, but I do not see anything new or fresh in character or storyline that would of came out of SM4, given the contraints they had placed on themselves.

I know you will disagree, and that is fine. We both have our opinions.

I do not mind reboots when the time is right, and IMO, the time was right for Spider-Man.
 
It's called a "straw man argument." He does it all the time. He's not the worst though. That would be venomvsspidey.

Um, attacking someone really isn't necessary.
 
It is also funny that some of the people defining what a Spider-Man fan is in regards to people wanting or not wanting more films are happy that Raimi's SM4 was shut down but we know that we were going to get a reboot soon after (they had two scripts ready to go and have said that the reboot would probably come out right after SM4). So, they are essentially excited that we won't get two Spider-Man films back to back! How dare you!
 
It is also funny that some of the people defining what a Spider-Man fan is in regards to people wanting or not wanting more films are happy that Raimi's SM4 was shut down but we know that we were going to get a reboot soon after (they had two scripts ready to go and have said that the reboot would probably come out right after SM4). So, they are essentially excited that we won't get two Spider-Man films back to back! How dare you!

:wow: I didn't know that! My dislike for the reboot just increased even more. To think, we could of had SM4 and a reboot and everyone would be happy...
 
Well my first thought is that we'll just get reboots galore and any continuity between films will just die off. Everytime a franchise goes somewhat bad we'll just go right back to the beginning. Plus it might mean we'll just have the same stories told over and over again and no new material.

That's not what happened with Batman or the Hulk... I'd say your fears aren't demonstrably warranted just yet, man. Take it easy. :yay:

"Why would anyone want less Spidey films in the short amount of time we have in this life? :whatever: Waiting longer is both silly and a WASTE."

I take quality > quantity any day.

I never questioned that, you made it clear last time. I'd love quality too. The difference is, you're playing it like quality requires less quantity, and that's not necessarily true. Spider-man 3 took plenty of time to come out, and look what happened. You're ignoring my point and pretending that I was talking about something else so you can rant about that something else that I never said, again.

I'm not as extremist as you're painting me to be. I understand that some things take time, much as I understand that it takes time for me to type out this reply to you. It's common sense. However, time does not dictate quality, as your preaching would suggest.

For example, I could spend 10 minutes on this reply to you, and it could be marvelous. Alternatively I could spend 20 minutes replying to the same post and have it turn out completely crappy.

Anyway, moving on to things above a 3rd grade level.

Did I say you said quantity > quality or was that me saying what I prefer?:o

Both, actually. When I said what I said, you replied as though I were suggesting we sacrifice quality for quantity. See the first time I quoted you in this post - or better yet, see below, to your first reply to me.

So quantity > quality? You should look into the Twilight series.

:batman:

Lets say we both live another 80 years. If you want 40 Spider-Man movies in that time, then go ahead and wish away. If you think pushing out as many Spider-Man films as they can is going to increase quality or keep the level of quality the same, then it was a rubbish retort.
Well! Thank goodness I don't think that!

Nor did I ever suggest that I did. :whatever:

That isn't the way things work. In comparison with the Twilight films, the producers see how big of a fan base the books have and are pushing these movies out as fast as they can.

They are all coming out about 1 year apart from the previous. The next one is coming out in less than 1 year that the previous one came out.
So by making this comparison you're implying that this is what Sony's going to do with Spider-man, even though it's gonna be like a five year gap between Spidey 3 and the reboot? :oldrazz:

Not only do you pretend people say things that they haven't, but you also have a really strange perspective on the passage of time, although that may be a side-effect of your apparent ability to see into the future! :wow:

I guess you are right. Writing a good script, scouting locations, pre-production, filming, post production, etc...don't have any sort of time frame in regards to quality.:dry:
When did I say that?

Let me note that I never said these films should come out as fast as you're saying that I'm saying they should.

Your future-seeing and mind-reading skills need some polishing, I say.

If you think the writer's strike caused a bunch of movies to speed up the process to get a script before the strike resulted in some great movies then I am full of it!
I never mentioned the writer's strike. :huh:

Time in your opinion isn't required in the process.
That was probably your most blatant attempt to put words in my mouth. Just quoting it as an example to prove that you're doing it.
 
I never questioned that, you made it clear last time. I'd love quality too. The difference is, you're playing it like quality requires less quantity, and that's not necessarily true. Spider-man 3 took plenty of time to come out, and look what happened.
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Yeah. A Set release date BEFORE SM2 was even out, studio interference, a 3rd villian shoe-horned into the movie. Oh, I can tell that sony is going to let webb do his thing.:o
 
Then you agree with me that it takes more time to make better movies? Your sides are conflicting or you just want to argue with me.
 
Um, attacking someone really isn't necessary.

Pointing out someone's misleading tactics that diminish the genuine nature of the discussion at hand shouldn't be confused with a mere 'attack'.
 
Are you happy that Raimi's SM4 will never see the light of day?
 
Then you agree with me that it takes more time to make better movies? Your sides are conflicting or you just want to argue with me.

No, I don't. Here you go again pretending I've said something I've not. :whatever:

I agree that it takes x amount of time to make movies period, but not that time expanding from that necessary time automatically dictates an increase in the quality of said movie. As I've thoroughly explained, and you've thoroughly ignored.
 
Are you happy that Raimi's SM4 will never see the light of day?

I'm sure not happy! :D I know the question wasn't directed at me, but i'm madly upset at Sony. They might actually surpass FOX as my most hated movie company.

I greatly miss the Spider-Man 4 that never was....
 
Yeah. A Set release date BEFORE SM2 was even out, studio interference, a 3rd villian shoe-horned into the movie. Oh, I can tell that sony is going to let webb do his thing.:o

They may have set the release date before 2 came out, but that doesn't change what I said. 'They spent plenty of time on 3 and look what happened.' Regardless of when they set the release date, it was still a crapload of time before it was released, and that time spent was not reflective of it equating to quality.

And I said nothing to protest the notion of Sony being manipulative or controlling. I'm just as frustrated about that behavior from them.
 
No, I don't. Here you go again pretending I've said something I've not. :whatever:

I agree that it takes x amount of time to make movies period, but not that time expanding from that necessary time automatically dictates an increase in the quality of said movie. As I've thoroughly explained, and you've thoroughly ignored.

What is the necessary time then since you seem to know more than me:huh: Be more specific. If you think I am putting words in your mouth regarding a time frame, then quit being so vague. What is x amount of time:huh: You aren't explaining anything. Movies aren't made that way. Nobody gives the creative team an infinite amount of time to do whatever they want and release a movie whenever they feel it is ready...except Cameron recently, which is rare. Studios set a release date and say get to work. Look at SM4. Sony set a release date and told Raimi to meet it. If that release date is a year from now, do you think that movie would be better or equal in quality if a release date of 2 years was given instead? Fox set a release date for X3 and even though they had production issues, they still made the new team meet that date.
 
I'm being vague about that PURPOSELY, because there IS no specifically set time for such things. It's vague in nature! It happens at whatever rate it happens, depending on how good the developer is. I doubt there's a recorded measurement of it, and even if there WERE a recorded measurement of it, it would be completely different for every film in existence.

Seriously
, I shouldn't have to explain such a basic, common sense thing to you. You're trying to turn the obvious upside down and pretend it's an argument, it's manipulative straw grasping, and I'm close to considering it trolling and a waste of time to respond to.

Further, regarding them not having 'an infinite amount of time to complete the film', who ever said they did? Certainly not me. They could simply spend the time they are given making something more quality based and, lemme see, not crappy?
 
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Pointing out someone's misleading tactics that diminish the genuine nature of the discussion at hand shouldn't be confused with a mere 'attack'.

HA! I love this guy! You took the words right out of my mouth.
 
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