Revenge of the Fallen Transformers: ROTF Box Office Discussion

[Spider-Fan]

This film was never making a run at TDK. No film is going to for a while, so I think we can cut TDK talk. Great movie, but does it need to be brought up in every subject somehow? I don't think so.

Now, 61% drop is not great, but it's also not bad at all. Especially considering how big the film opened, the normal trend of drops with sequels, the poor reviews, etc.

I think this film was average at best personally, but even if you hate the film, you can't really hate on the 61% drop.

 

[miggizle85]

This film was never making a run at TDK. No film is going to for a while, so I think we can cut TDK talk. Great movie, but does it need to be brought up in every subject somehow? I don't think so.

Now, 61% drop is not great, but it's also not bad at all. Especially considering how big the film opened, the normal trend of drops with sequels, the poor reviews, etc.

I think this film was average at best personally, but even if you hate the film, you can't really hate on the 61% drop.

Come on dude. If ever it were it were appropriate to bring up TDK comparisons, I think a "Box Office Discussion" thread for the biggest movie since TDK would be it.

Personally, I don't agree with all the "TDK was still a better movie" posts, because those people need to understand that TDK and ROTF are two different types of movies. They can't really be compared in terms of content or "quality". Instead a better comparison for ROTF would be other fun summer action movies like Transformers, Terminator Salvation, Pirates, and so on.

But when people (such as myself) wanna compare the numbers then I think that's perfectly acceptable. I mean for a while there it looked like TF2 could've challenged TDK's numbers or at least ended up close. If anything we just wanted to see if TF2 could be the 3rd movie ever (and the 2nd in two years) to cross the $500 million mark. So of course it's only natural to see how it compares to the numbers TDK put up last year.

I mean you have to expect those sort of comparisons in a "Box Office Discussion" thread. It just comes with the territory of being a HUGE summer blockbuster like this. Just relax. I mean its not like TF2 is not making money, and it won't change how people personally enjoyed it.

Oh and BTW if you wanted to defend the 61% drop (which, I don't care what you say, is HUGE drop) you might want to point out the fact that because 4th of July fell on a Sat. it ruined what should've been the biggest grossing day of the weekend. That unfortunate calender issue probably cost ROTF a good $7 million which could have made its second weekend drop a much more respectable 54% drop.

 

[miggizle85]

Oh. Now Spider-Man 3's 61.5% drop... Now that's what I call a MASSIVE drop. No excuses there either. That drop was a result of a terrible movie receiving terrible word of mouth. A 61.5% drop on a weekend where its biggest competition opened at $9 million? I mean at least "Tranformers 2" had "Ice Age 3" and "Public Enemies" taking in some good business, and the aforementioned 4th of July Saturday thing.

Spider-Man 3 had the first 2 weeks of May virtually all to itself and it completely unraveled. I'm talking crashed and burned. And how bout that 50% 3rd weekend drop? I tell you this right now, TF2 isn't dropping 50% this weekend. That sort of 3rd weekend drop is reserved for complete utter garbage movies like Spider-Man 3.

LOL, just thought I'd poke a little fun at Spider-Fan (it's all in fun by the way).

No but seriously Spider-Man 3 sucked.

 

[Marvin]

This film was never making a run at TDK. No film is going to for a while

it already made it's run at tdk, it lost by 3 million.

Now, 61% drop is not great, but it's also not bad at all. Especially considering how big the film opened, the normal trend of drops with sequels, the poor reviews, etc.

the interesting, the recent growing trend with direct sequels, especially in this genre is that they tend to be "better" than the originals. I didn't really notice until tdk, but it stared some say with blade, and then xmen and then spiderman and people kept on referring to the wrath of khan and empire strikes back, Terminator2 style of sequel making.

Like once all the "boring" exposition is delt with, directors can truly make the film they want to make.

the problem I think lies in the fact that many films are great due to the wonder of initial exposition. The matrix being maybe the best example of that, whereas movies like Xmen/batman(superhero films in general) don't really function on exposition but rather development.

I don't know, it seems very hit or miss, but sequels do have a legitimate shot at surpassing their predecessors these days

I have a feeling Iron Man will.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Oh. Now Spider-Man 3's 61.5% drop... Now that's what I call a MASSIVE drop. No excuses there either. That drop was a result of a terrible movie receiving terrible word of mouth. A 61.5% drop on a weekend where its biggest competition opened at $9 million? I mean at least "Tranformers 2" had "Ice Age 3" and "Public Enemies" taking in some good business, and the aforementioned 4th of July Saturday thing.

Spider-Man 3 had the first 2 weeks of May virtually all to itself and it completely unraveled. I'm talking crashed and burned. And how bout that 50% 3rd weekend drop? I tell you this right now, TF2 isn't dropping 50% this weekend. That sort of 3rd weekend drop is reserved for complete utter garbage movies like Spider-Man 3.

LOL, just thought I'd poke a little fun at Spider-Fan (it's all in fun by the way).

No but seriously Spider-Man 3 sucked.

It's all cool

 

[BlackLantern]

are people genuinely cranky that this film is making serious bank, regardless of dropoff?

 

[miggizle85]

It's all cool

t: lol. Somehow I knew you were one cool mofo.

 

[LostSon88]

are people genuinely cranky that this film is making serious bank, regardless of dropoff?

Apparently so.

 

[bell110]

I want RotF to do well enough for there to be a 3rd, but not too good to let Bay go crazy with it.

Hopefully, Bay, the writers, and the studio will take the criticism to heart and take the third one a little bit more serious.

 

[Spider-Fan]

t: lol. Somehow I knew you were one cool mofo.

I certainly like to think so

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I want RotF to do well enough for there to be a 3rd, but not too good to let Bay go crazy with it.

Hopefully, Bay, the writers, and the studio will take the criticism to heart and take the third one a little bit more serious.

This movie has already made a s**tload, Bay and the studio aint gonna change a damn thing and why should they? People are eating garbage like it up.

I think that the 3rd one is going to be a few minutes longer and have more "humor" and make more than the first one atleast.

 

[DOG LIPS]

This movie has already made a s**tload, Bay and the studio aint gonna change a damn thing and why should they? People are eating garbage like it up.

I think that the 3rd one is going to be a few minutes longer and have more "humor" and make more than the first one atleast.

Agreed. If your movie makes mega-bucks there's no reason to "fix" anything. No one cares about the reviews, they care about the money. It could have gotten 100% negative reviews and they'd still add more humor in the next because it's the money that counts. Money money. If it ain't broke, make more of it next time.

 

[BlackLantern]

Agreed. If your movie makes mega-bucks there's no reason to "fix" anything. No one cares about the reviews, they care about the money. It could have gotten 100% negative reviews and they'd still add more humor in the next because it's the money that counts. Money money. If it ain't broke, make more of it next time.

and put some stank on it

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Agreed. If your movie makes mega-bucks there's no reason to "fix" anything. No one cares about the reviews, they care about the money. It could have gotten 100% negative reviews and they'd still add more humor in the next because it's the money that counts. Money money. If it ain't broke, make more of it next time.

The movie has already made 600 million dollars at the boxoffice, I'm seeing 900+mil total. The studio has a tremedously successful franchise with the dumb humor and incoherent action scenes I'm shocked that anybody would believe that they will listen to the complaints and change things...unless the movie is far less successful than the first on DVD. Not bloody likely IMHO.

 

[BlackLantern]

wiki has the budget for the film at 200 mil...its probably a bit more...but considering its made 607 total already...yea....its gone past an S Load of money and has now made an F Load of money

 

[DOG LIPS]

Much like when the first made a ton o' cash, dissatisfied fans on the net started asking AND expecting a deeper, less comedic sequel, and obviously no one listened. Now I see it on several forums, people expecting Bay and CO. to listen to the reviews and "fix" the next one. They won't, so don't expect it. The formula is sound, and has been proven TWICE. So three times the Bayhem and sewer humor next one.

 

[terry78]

The next one will see the Arcee twin that survived actually transform into a stripper pole...and like it.

 

[miggizle85]

The movie has already made 600 million dollars at the boxoffice, I'm seeing 900+mil total. The studio has a tremedously successful franchise with the dumb humor and incoherent action scenes I'm shocked that anybody would believe that they will listen to the complaints and change things...unless the movie is far less successful than the first on DVD. Not bloody likely IMHO.

You know what, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it does not pass the $900 million mark worldwide. I'm gonna go out on an even further more unstable limb and say that it won't pass $400 million in the U.S. (or at least it will be extremely hard to reach it). And here's my reasoning:

In the international market it stands at $307 million already, but it has pretty much already opened everywhere. I don't know of any big markets that it hasn't release in yet. Not to mention "Ice Age", which traditionally has MASSIVE numbers overseas, has just opened internationally as well. Oh yeah and there's this other movie about a boy wizard coming out soon and that movie always dominates the international market. That means it's only a matter of time before the overseas take starts dying down drastically. I say it lands at $430 million overseas.

In the U.S. it has made $299 million and will be the 2nd fastest movie to the $300 million after 14 days (TDK in 10 days). Yet I think that the last meaningful money making days for ROTF are numbered. This weekend there's only "Bruno" as competition. While interest is high for that one I don't see it taking away too much business away from ROTF. Also Ice Age (with a big 55+% drop) is going to retreat a bit and give way to ROTF. All said I think ROTF will be at $338 million after this weekend.

Then comes the following week where Harry Potter opens on a Wednesday. Some reports are claiming that Harry Potter's advanved ticket sales have already surpassed ROTF's advanced ticket sales at the same point (1 week before release). If those are true then HP6 is gonna be HUGE and I feel ROTF is gonna get lost in the shuffle. I expect it to make $18 million for that entire week (if it's lucky) putting it at $356 million. From there on the money just slows down more. At the very end of its run I say it'll be around $398 million.

Now it could be more or it could be less depending on how long Paramount wants to leave it in theaters. If they really streach it out or if they do a limited re-release then maybe it could pass the $400 million mark. Either way I don't see it making much more than $405 in the U.S. Couple that with $430 million overseas (my personal estimate) and I think ROTF will make $835 million worldwide.

 

[BlackLantern]

and thats a nice number....I can agree with that...its already made back 3 times its budget so im sure Paramount wont mind 835 million dollars

 

[dark_b]

Much like when the first made a ton o' cash, dissatisfied fans on the net started asking AND expecting a deeper, less comedic sequel, and obviously no one listened. Now I see it on several forums, people expecting Bay and CO. to listen to the reviews and "fix" the next one. They won't, so don't expect it. The formula is sound, and has been proven TWICE. So three times the Bayhem and sewer humor next one.

they didnt fix the story because Bay got 100% control. big mistake.Spielberg i am looking at you

 

[BlackLantern]

again...both movies were wildly successful....Im sure neither Spielberg, Paramount, or DreamWorks consider it a "mistake"

 

[The Caped Knight]

$300 Million in 14 Days for Transformers Sequel
Source:Paramount Pictures
July 8, 2009


After only 14 days in release, the worldwide hit Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen became the second-fastest film in movie history to earn $300 million in U.S. ticket sales, eclipsing the previous record-holder Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, by two days. From director Michael Bay and executive producer Steven Spielberg, the Paramount Pictures release trails only The Dark Knight in this record-setting achievement.

"Moviegoers everywhere propelled the film to this great success, paving the way for a phenomenal run," said Paramount Pictures Vice Chairman Rob Moore.

2007's Transformers earned $319.2 million in its theatrical run, and more than $700 million worldwide. The sequel has already taken in over $600 million worldwide to date, conquering several records including:

* Biggest Wednesday-Sunday opening of all time.
* Biggest Wednesday opening of all time.
* Paramount's biggest international opening of all time.
* 3rd biggest worldwide opening weekend of all time.
* 4th biggest international opening of all time.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/tr...ws.php?id=8490

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Awesome! Whoo hoo. I'm seeing ROTF again today.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Oh. Now Spider-Man 3's 61.5% drop... Now that's what I call a MASSIVE drop. No excuses there either. That drop was a result of a terrible movie receiving terrible word of mouth. A 61.5% drop on a weekend where its biggest competition opened at $9 million? I mean at least "Tranformers 2" had "Ice Age 3" and "Public Enemies" taking in some good business, and the aforementioned 4th of July Saturday thing.

Spider-Man 3 had the first 2 weeks of May virtually all to itself and it completely unraveled. I'm talking crashed and burned. And how bout that 50% 3rd weekend drop? I tell you this right now, TF2 isn't dropping 50% this weekend. That sort of 3rd weekend drop is reserved for complete utter garbage movies like Spider-Man 3.

LOL, just thought I'd poke a little fun at Spider-Fan (it's all in fun by the way).

No but seriously Spider-Man 3 sucked.

It is a masterpiece compared to ROTF.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Awesome! Whoo hoo. I'm seeing ROTF again today.

:facepalm