The Dark Knight Two Face Revealed

[Dark Donnie]

I like the theory that the face on the ground while liquid is being poured clip is just an attempt by the mob to get him to throw a case or reveal Batman's identity, and then later at the trial when he refuses to lose, he gets the acid facial.

That sounds like the best theory yet

 

[BatSpider]

The B:TAS origin was horrible though - and should not be at all used to justify anything.

he was lying on a brigde that was over a chemical explosion right?

 

[Jokers_Wild]

he was lying on a brigde that was over a chemical explosion right?

Yeah, some sparking wires ignited the chemical vat below the bridge and boom! Half of Dent's face is toast!

 

[The Guard]

Funny thing is, his voice in "half" does sound different to me, it´s lower and a little rapier than the normal. It´s not like a growl, but it IS different.

It's called a whisper.

 

[Terminator]

Did you ever think because he might have TWO personalities, that there'd be certain qualities to distinct the two? Speech patterns and voice tonality for example?

The comics have long depicted this with jagged lettering to show that it was "Two-Face" talking, and regular lettering for Harvey.

No I didn't, but to be honest, I haven't even heard them mention split personalities.

 

[CrimsonRed]

Quick question (that may have been answered), was Two-Face's voice different during the Wizard World showing? Or what was shown is something entirely different?

 

[bkey]

Quick question (that may have been answered), was Two-Face's voice different during the Wizard World showing? Or what was shown is something entirely different?

I believe it was the same, just a shorter clip (only the last part was shown)

 

[bkey]

Actually, this seems like the total opposite of the permawhite thing.

We've seen pictures of the Joker that suggest he's wearing makeup and most people say that his skin isn't white. Those hopeful (delusional?) few like myself do want there to be more to it than that, though.

But, we've see footage of Harvey screaming with half of his face on the ground while some kind of liquid is poured. That suggestion of an alternative origin is as strong as the visual evidence against permawhiteness, and it's also a similar departure from the comics.

Bottom Line: It's a movie that comes out in a month. There isn't any "truth" to stare anybody in the face until until July 18th. Good natured disagreement about what's going to happen at that point is fun, stifling everybody's speculation is not.

However, Eckhart has said its acid twice, and Roberts said the origin is very close to that in the comics. Dent being burnt by gasoline and fire in a warehouse is nothing like the comic origin of Two Face.

True, there is no actual "truth" about anything at this point, but there is actually evidence to support a Two Face origin very similar to the comics. I also think its funny that so many people argued the hell out of Joker needing to be permawhite, but when it comes to Two Face's origin, they get bent out of shape when it is suggested that it is basically the same as it is in the comics.

Finally, I am not trying to stifle anyone's speculation, I am just presenting what I have read and have been told by those actually involved in production, which strongly suggests the *almost* faithful Two Face origin. If posters choose to ignore it or not believe it than that is fine with me.

 

[dark joker]

Aaron Eckhart in the Today show interview said his character was burned by acid

 

[Dirt Like Me]

However, Eckhart has said its acid twice, and Roberts said the origin is very close to that in the comics. Dent being burnt by gasoline and fire in a warehouse is nothing like the comic origin of Two Face.

True, there is no actual "truth" about anything at this point, but there is actually evidence to support a Two Face origin very similar to the comics. I also think its funny that so many people argued the hell out of Joker needing to be permawhite, but when it comes to Two Face's origin, they get bent out of shape when it is suggested that it is basically the same as it is in the comics.

Finally, I am not trying to stifle anyone's speculation, I am just presenting what I have read and have been told by those actually involved in production, which strongly suggests the *almost* faithful Two Face origin. If posters choose to ignore it or not believe it than that is fine with me.

To be clear, I hope you're right about about Two-Face's origin. I remember being really excited when I read the courtroom casting side that seemed to be leading to a comic-faithful origin.

But, with his take on the Joker, Nolan has shown a willingness to sacrifice adherence to the comics for the sake of his vision. I also find the footage of Harvey screaming in the trailer curious to the point where I don't know what to think.

Part of me even wonders if the chemical being poured on the floor is actually some kind of acid...have we actually seen footage of it (the liquid) being ignited, or is that all speculative?

 

[digu rui]

i know a lot of people prefer the acid being thrown at his face but its really hard for me to believe that he is burned by acid when nolan is completely about realsim. is it very realistic that a guy carries acid into a courtroom and throws it at dent to perfectly burn half of his face? plus the footage pretty clearly shows that the burn is from gas. i woiuld really prefer that they take the burned approach, it seems alot more plausible. unless the liquid on the floor is some type of acid, that would make more sense (at least to me)

 

[BatFan1986]

i know a lot of people prefer the acid being thrown at his face but its really hard for me to believe that he is burned by acid when nolan is completely about realsim. is it very realistic that a guy carries acid into a courtroom and throws it at dent to perfectly burn half of his face? plus the footage pretty clearly shows that the burn is from gas. i woiuld really prefer that they take the burned approach, it seems alot more plausible. unless the liquid on the floor is some type of acid, that would make more sense (at least to me)

In this movie his face isn't burnt 50/50.

Also, my grandmother was a courtoom stenographer for years and in one incident there was someone on trial who decided while he was being taken to prison that'd he'd attempt to grab a courtoom officer's gun and just about managed to.

Plus don't rule out the fact that Gotham is incredibly corrupt, so an officer that might frisk Harvey's attacker might be in with the mob and slip him something, ala "The Long Halloween".

 

[bkey]

In this movie his face isn't burnt 50/50.

Also, my grandmother was a courtoom stenographer for years and in one incident there was someone on trial who decided while he was being taken to prison that'd he'd attempt to grab a courtoom officer's gun and just about managed to.

Plus don't rule out the fact that Gotham is incredibly corrupt, so an officer that might frisk Harvey's attacker might be in with the mob and slip him something, ala "The Long Halloween".

I think that the police officer from the new clip, Det. Wuertz possibly sneaks Rossi the acid, which is why Two Face goes after him. Eckhart said in an interview that Two Face in the movie has a motive behind his murders, he just wouldn't say what it was. We know he goes after Maroni, and now Wuertz, so it seems like he is going after those responsible for his disfigurement.

 

[S.D. Plissken]

Man, this is getting totally out of hand.

I don't know how you guys feel, but I could really care less about "strict adherence to the comics". I appreciate loyalty to the source material, but only if it serves the overall story. If dent is burned by gas and it serves the story well--I don't care. If the joker wears makeup and has glasgow smile scars--again, I don't care as long as it works well for the character in this universe.

Nolan's vision of Gotham is like the Marvel Ultimates--except good.

I think whatever his choice is for harvey's orgin, whether it's acid or fire, I trust he will have made the correct one for his vision of the story.

BTW,

I never would trust actors, and I would especially not trust Eric Roberts--he barely knows what year it is.

 

[bkey]

I never would trust actors, and I would especially not trust Eric Roberts--he barely knows what year it is.

They do know what they filmed though. Maybe not the whole plotline of the movie, but they do know what scenes they were in. Also, I think Eckhart of all people would know how is character is scarred.

 

[Yurka]

They do know what they filmed though. Maybe not the whole plotline of the movie, but they do know what scenes they were in. Also, I think Eckhart of all people would know how is character is scarred.

Agreed, and not only did he say he was burnt by acid, but he said acid was poured on him.

 

[S.D. Plissken]

I don't know, guys, I'm really skeptical about this.

How about this:

Why would they show a scene where harvey is bound and laying in a dangerous looking liquid (likely gasoline) screaming NO!!!!

AND

An elaborate courtroom scene with comic-book-esque scarring.

???

With the scarring, it's like **** or get off the pot. It's illogical, and generally bad writing to tease a possible disfigurement (what we have seen) and then go with the acid-comics-scarring (casing sides from a million years ago).

Is Harvey going to chew his way through the ropes??? Is he going to escape, go home and take a shower and wash the gas off, and say to himself "whew, that was suuuuure close" and then get scarred the next day in the courtroom?

No, that isn't going to happen, because it's needless, and it sucks.

The scene we see IS the scarring scene, or at least part of it.

I'm not saying NO ACID. I'm just saying, no courtroom scarring. We can't have both scenes, it's impossible. Literally impossible.

Has anyone considered, that what harvey could be soaked up in is one part of a compound? Is there such an acid that exists? Two chemicals that combine to form a corrosive liquid.

Douse harvey in the the passive part of the compound, and then pour the reactive part over part of his face???

This sense of knowing for harvey has just as much tension as the possibility of being burned alive. Just a different option, I guess.

 

[Yurka]

I have a hunch it will happen in the courtroom, if not for the sides that were released alone. I'm thinking that the footage we've seen of Harvey face down in the liquid is merely a threat.

 

[BatFan1986]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!

Is it possible that during Harvey's campaign that he goes after the mob, and thus the mob goes after him making personal vists at his house ala The Long Halloween?

I was just reading it for reference and it could be that the mob threatens his life on more than one occasion.

Also, after he gets scarred he could go on a killing rampage like in said book.

AND

I don't know if this has been mentioned because I haven't been able to keep up with every post on every page BUT is it possible that when The Joker says "You've changed things..." etc that he's talking to Two-Face?

 

[bkey]

The courtroom scene is in the movie.

Referring to the casting sides, as far as we know they have all been accurate, and in the movie.

Bank robbery, check.
Barge scene, check.
Prisoner with bomb in stomach, check.
Wuertz in the bar, check.
Brian Douglas, check.

Why would the one of the scarring be any different?

Also, an actor, who plays one of Maroni's henchmen during the courtroom scene, confirmed to me that the scene does take place.

According to the casting sides, and logic, all of the characters that would be in the courtroom scene have been cast.

Dent, Maroni, Al Rossi, Maroni's Defense Attorney, Judge, Courtroom Bailiff, 5 of Maroni's Henchmen. They have all been cast.

Also, Rossi has been pretty dominant in the HD virals. Why would they build up the character and his connection to Maroni if he doesn't have a somewhat important role in the movie?

 

[Nightwing1977]

That was a great scene. I wasn't expecting them to show him, since it too early. But seeing as it just a small glimpse & you don't see the whole thing, I think it work. Look like the leaked pic that were believed to be used in TDK might be the real deal despite someone saying it just an early test & not the final look. You can see some detail on his burned face that look like from the leaked pic.

And is it just me or does Eckhart's voice in the clip sound very much like Two-Face in BTAS? The calm & deep sinister voice sound like it. I dig it though. up:

 

[undyingsoul]

hate to bring it up but when the old cop says the word 'dead' eckhart moves his head and makes the lighter toned part easier to see and it does look like a tendon

 

[S.D. Plissken]

The courtroom scene is in the movie.

Referring to the casting sides, as far as we know they have all been accurate, and in the movie.

Bank robbery, check.
Barge scene, check.
Prisoner with bomb in stomach, check.
Wuertz in the bar, check.
Brian Douglas, check.

Why would the one of the scarring be any different?

Also, an actor, who plays one of Maroni's henchmen during the courtroom scene, confirmed to me that the scene does take place.

According to the casting sides, and logic, all of the characters that would be in the courtroom scene have been cast.

Dent, Maroni, Al Rossi, Maroni's Defense Attorney, Judge, Courtroom Bailiff, 5 of Maroni's Henchmen. They have all been cast.

Also, Rossi has been pretty dominant in the HD virals. Why would they build up the character and his connection to Maroni if he doesn't have a somewhat important role in the movie?

This is damn good. I think you may have convinced me otherwise.....

 

[Yurka]

hate to bring it up but when the old cop says the word 'dead' eckhart moves his head and makes the lighter toned part easier to see and it does look like a tendon

I noticed that also, and it made me happy t:

 

[BatFan1986]

So we're mostly all agreed here then? Everyone likes the direction in which Two Face is going?