Ant-Man Ultron

[gdw]

Surprisingly, it was only last night that the possibility of an MCU connection between Pym and Ultron.

I read some site speculating on the reference to Pym as a "founding member" of the Avengers, finally coming to the big screen.
I had just taken this as a reference to him being a founding member in the comics, and now finally coming to the movies.

They made the lead that Antman would ret-con him into the history of the Avengers somehow, which, although a bit of a leap from the "founding member" description, but one I would have no objection to.
It would certainly tie the film more into the wider MCU, and makes sense with the inclusion of Agent Carter, and Howard Stark in Antman now.

Combined with the already being discussed "long dormant" descriptor in reference to Ultron, I could see Ultron definitely being something Pym had started in the past during whatever his involvement was with Howard, and the SSE/early SHIELD.

It's all very speculative, of course, but none of it would be disruptive to either film, Antman, nor Avengers:AOU, and could easily flow in both, and enhance both films, as well as further tying together the MCU. All of which I really dig and can get behind, IF it ends up being the case.

Wonder if any of that, if a reality, would have been tied to the disagreements leading to Wright's departure. I could see him not wanting to make so many creative changes to compensate Marvel's greater universe, but also, as I said, these changes don't seem like they would really alter these films substantially. That is, it all seems like little tweaks that wouldn't affect the integrity of anything already in motion, while still adding a lot to the grand scheme of things.

Then again, maybe it really altered Wright's vision for/characterization of Pym. Won't really know till someone speaks up on what lead to the split.
Unless they did a horrible job with the re-writes, and Wright's vision for Pym is still present and in conflict with the inclusion of a connection to Ultron.

Man, that's a LOT of speculation, lol.

 

[fixxxer]

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I've had the exact same suspicions for sometime now... right down to it being a possible source of disagreement between Wright and Feige.

 

[jaqua99]

Agreed. Wright said Ultron has nothing to do with his film. Now Wright's gone. The plan was always to tie Pym to Ultron is some way I would bet.

 

[Milla4Prez66]

Honestly, if they just show a scene with a younger Pym working with Howard Stark and see early Ultron blueprints in the background, that would be awesome.

Also, Ant-Man is coming out AFTER Ultron...but will the movie take place after in the MCU timeline I wonder?

 

[antdogs]

Honestly, if they just show a scene with a younger Pym working with Howard Stark and see early Ultron blueprints in the background, that would be awesome.

Also, Ant-Man is coming out AFTER Ultron...but will the movie take place after in the MCU timeline I wonder?

i kept reading from various sites that this might take place before ultron.. hmm

 

[fixxxer]

Honestly, if they just show a scene with a younger Pym working with Howard Stark and see early Ultron blueprints in the background, that would be awesome.

Also, Ant-Man is coming out AFTER Ultron...but will the movie take place after in the MCU timeline I wonder?

Most of our geek media outlets, as a collective, will happily and purposefully misconstrue speculation and regurgitate it as fact based information.

What is known is that there will be a small portion of the movie featuring a young Hank Pym set sometime between the '60s and 80's working in some capacity as a SHIELD operative.

What it speculated is that the larger "current day" portion of the movie, the portion that features Scott Lang, Hope and (the older) Pym will be set just prior to the Age Of Ultron. I think Ultron would inflict some massive amount destruction on Earth and if Ant-Man is set only months after A:AOU, i.e. in real-time, much like its Phase 2 brethren, it wouldn't make sense not to set it against a backdrop of a semi-ravaged Earth... which is quite unlikely. So, while I think it would make sense to place the events of Ant-Man just prior to the events of A:AOU, I believe it's just speculation rather than it being based on anything solid.

 

[antdogs]

Most of our geek media outlets, as a collective, will happily and purposefully misconstrue speculation and regurgitate it as fact based information.

What is known is that there will be a small portion of the movie featuring a young Hank Pym set sometime between the '60s and 80's working in some capacity as a SHIELD operative.

What it speculated is that the larger "current day" portion of the movie, the portion that features Scott Lang, Hope and (the older) Pym will be set just prior to the Age Of Ultron. I think Ultron would inflict some massive amount destruction on Earth and if Ant-Man is set only months after A:AOU, i.e. in real-time, much like its Phase 2 brethren, it wouldn't make sense not to set it against a backdrop of a semi-ravaged Earth... which is somewhat unlikely. So, while I think it would make sense to place the events of Ant-Man just prior to the events of A:AOU, I believe it's just speculation rather than it being based on anything solid.

i do like that point of it happening near each other.. and with the movie coming out so close to each other

 

[Hypestyle]

I'm not hung up on Hank Pym not being the "father" of Ultron. That said, if there's some throwaway easter egg of Pym having done a "geek jam session" with Howard Stark and them coming up with some prototype programming code for a "smart computer" or designs that were never built, so be it. That should be enough for at least a nominal connection.

 

[cph9fa]

So this is kinda silly, but I just saw this still of a younger Spader from the Stargate film, and given the shape of that device he's leaning over, I thought: young-Spader as young-Pym, building proto-Ultron: