The Dark Knight Rises "Unrealistic" Villians

[killingyouguy]

There needs to be a reason why Catwoman is so agile, talented with a whip and capable of stealing jewels. Using her father goes against comics, I understand that, but 'living on the streets' is not an origin for an olympic gymnast world class jewel thief who's nice with a cat-o-nine tails... it just isn't... you might as well make her be able to fly cuz she did good on her SATs...

Gymnast at school when she was young (perhaps could have been world class if given the chance), sent to an orphanage after her parents died, left the orphanage and lived on the streets. Turned to prostitution and theft to stay alive. Taken in by gangs and honed her skills some more. If you want to explain her skills even better without introducing a new character you could have she was chosen by Ra's Al Ghul to join the League of Shadows (before he met Bruce). After spending time learning their ways, like Bruce, she doesn't accept their moral stance (killing people, destroying civilizations, etc.) and runs away. Turning back to her old ways of theft. Although her new skills give her confidence to tackle bigger 'jobs'. Her outfit could even be a modified LoS outfit (wihout the armour bits, etc.) with a cat-like mask. Explains her skills, gives her a link with Bruce/Batman (same teacher, different paths) and gives her some history & character. Could even explain her outfit if need be.

 

[cujo66]

"Stick to the source or don't even attempt at making a good movie."

Carve that in stone and put it in front of every movie studio.

Hell, that's gonna be motto for life. "Stick to the Source"
I want it on my headstone.

 

[Crooklyn]

In a word? I think it's forced. A very good child gymnast does not equate to leaping from building to building

She doesn't really have to literally jump from building to building.

and living on the streets increases prostitution skills, not fighting ability.

Wow.

At least lie and tell me you just said this because she's a girl. I mean it'd still be a stupid comment, but lesser of two evils I guess.

Even though it's conceivable for her to put together a catwoman halloween costume, WHY would she do it? If she needs to hide her face she buys a ski mask, just like all cat burgulars. And we're not even going to go into learning to use a whip or stretching out her story over two movies.

Because she likes the cat persona, too cocky to not worry about covering her face fully, and the "whip" would serve the same purpose as a rope would, getting up and down between places. I mean none of this is really that much of a stretch.

I would change the game so that Batman and Catwoman Do NOT click... at all. Bitter enemies. Makes the reveal so much cooler if there's no mirror to their in an out-of-costume lives.

Batman Returns did this.

 

[GL1]

Gymnast at school when she was young (perhaps could have been world class if given the chance), sent to an orphanage after her parents died, left the orphanage and lived on the streets. Turned to prostitution and theft to stay alive. Taken in by gangs and honed her skills some more. If you want to explain her skills even better without introducing a new character you could have she was chosen by Ra's Al Ghul to join the League of Shadows (before he met Bruce). After spending time learning their ways, like Bruce, she doesn't accept their moral stance (killing people, destroying civilizations, etc.) and runs away. Turning back to her old ways of theft. Although her new skills give her confidence to tackle bigger 'jobs'. Her outfit could even be a modified LoS outfit (wihout the armour bits, etc.) with a cat-like mask. Explains her skills, gives her a link with Bruce/Batman (same teacher, different paths) and gives her some history & character. Could even explain her outfit if need be.

Hmm... that would be AN explanation, but it strays away a great deal from the comics, doncha think?

Carve that in stone and put it in front of every movie studio.

Hell, that's gonna be motto for life. "Stick to the Source"
I want it on my headstone.

Hmmm... a noble sentiment. Name a movie that sticks to the source. The well-loved and ludicrisly popular organic web shooting Spider-Man or the scared of bats white Ra's Al Ghul fighting Batman, also well loved and fortunate? Perhaps you can find a movie based on a true story that sticks to the source? I don't know of any.

She doesn't really have to literally jump from building to building.

True, but she has to be, basically, on Batman's level, physically and skill-wise in order to fight him, or perhaps just speedwise for there to be an adequate chase, and a scenario that is true to the comics and has the illusion of reality hasn't been stated yet... I'm still thinking though...

Wow.

At least lie and tell me you just said this because she's a girl. I mean it'd still be a stupid comment, but lesser of two evils I guess.

I'm basing it on documentaries I've seen about runaways and prostitutes. In comics, people of all genders who live on the streets become faster, stronger and often learn to fight, perhaps in an underground fighting ring or under the tutelage of a wise street teacher. In real life however, no such things happen. And, as a rule, prostitutes don't become jewel theives without something very signifcant intervening in their life.

Because she likes the cat persona, too cocky to not worry about covering her face fully, and the "whip" would serve the same purpose as a rope would, getting up and down between places. I mean none of this is really that much of a stretch.


Batman Returns did this.

There's reasons for her *wanting* these things, that's easy... but there's no explanation for her knowing how to use a whip all of a sudden, that IS a stretch (have you ever tried to use a whip!?). The statement you quoted from me specifically asks why is she so talented with a whip... I'm not sure you're actually reading my statements...

Again, it's not a question of whether her *motivation* makes sense...

 

[Crooklyn]

True, but she has to be, basically, on Batman's level, physically and skill-wise in order to fight him, or perhaps just speedwise for there to be an adequate chase, and a scenario that is true to the comics and has the illusion of reality hasn't been stated yet... I'm still thinking though...

Well yeah, you already said it...she really only needs to equal him in speed. Being smaller and in a tight-fitting suit would help out greatly in a chase scene.

I'm basing it on documentaries I've seen about runaways and prostitutes. In comics, people of all genders who live on the streets become faster, stronger and often learn to fight, perhaps in an underground fighting ring or under the tutelage of a wise street teacher. In real life however, no such things happen.

Gangs? I'd say that introduces you to the most violence.

And, as a rule, prostitutes don't become jewel theives without something very signifcant intervening in their life.

The prostitute thing really hasn't been accepted as Selina's origin, so they can exclude that. As for becoming a jewel thief, well...when your life's in the gutter, a skill in stealing would definitely encourage you to do it more. Money is the number one incentive.

There's reasons for her *wanting* these things, that's easy... but there's no explanation for her knowing how to use a whip all of a sudden, that IS a stretch (have you ever tried to use a whip!?). The statement you quoted from me specifically asks why is she so talented with a whip... I'm not sure you're actually reading my statements...

I don't see how such a small detail like that should be covered. Honestly, who cares? It's a whip. Judging from BB, we're most likely NOT going to go into Selina's origin very much, if at all, and are most likely introduced to her as already taking up the Catwoman persona. This is a Batman film after all.

 

[killingyouguy]

Hmm... that would be AN explanation, but it strays away a great deal from the comics, doncha think?

A lot better than 'daddy taught me to be a world-class jewel thief'. Which has no basis in the comics at all and sounds like a bad 80's movie.