Unseen Ultimate DC Sketches, maybe

[The Leaguer]

Yet you can't stop thinking about it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's too gross not to think about.

 

[The Leaguer]

Except you love it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No.

 

[Artistsean]

I hope to god no one ever posts these pictures again. After seeing them posted over and over for like five years, each time is like a slap in the face.

Only these are different, new pictures, because they are the rough character designs.

 

[The Leaguer]

And yet I've seen them before.

 

[Zombie_samurai]

why everytime DC tries to do something like marvel the fail horribly (What if Stan Lee created...)

 

[The Leaguer]

Assuming that's just a really poorly worded and punctuated question, the reason DC fails every time they try to do something like Marvel is that Marvel fails at everything they do, and DC just doesn't pay attention to that part.

 

[Artistsean]

I think they were from '98 or something.

EDIT: Never mind, I found a website claiming they're from a 2002 article. Justice League started in 2001. I rescind all previous comments. Go about your business, citizens; nothing to see here.

Its interesting that the JLA cartoon, Bruce Timm's, created a Green Lantern costume that is so popular that DC turned it into John's regular costume and it has influenced Killowog's costume too, and that ultimate DC almost used the exact look from the cartoon, and it might be a look that could make it into a Green Lantern movie (or a JLA movie).

why everytime DC tries to do something like marvel the fail horribly (What if Stan Lee created...)

This wasn't exactly a real venture DC tried, it was Wizard Magazine asking the question, what if DC created an Ultimate DC (exactly like Marvel's Ultimate Marvel Universe). DC actually didn't have anything to do with it, maybe other than letting Wizard use their characters.

But when DC actually tried something, All Stars, it was semi successful I think. Superman is really good, and its not connected to any universe so it does whatever it wants. Batman I didn't care for though.

When DC tried the Stan Lee recreates idea, I think, it wasn't a huge success because Stan Lee didn't really recreate them. He either made them too close to their original story or made them Marvel characters (I think his Batman was a wrestler who, after the death of a loved one, became a crime fighter who used his wrestler's costume.)
I think it just didn't meet expectations. I imagined something monumentally new and different. But its hard to recreate icons.

I am glad that many of you are pleased with the rough sketches and character designs, I hadn't seen them before, so I thought I would share them. I would have imagined that many people would have already seen the rough and unfinished sketches (pre finshed versions from Wizard).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Its interesting that the JLA cartoon, Bruce Timm's, created a Green Lantern costume that is so popular that DC turned it into John's regular costume and it has influenced Killowog's costume too, and that ultimate DC almost used the exact look from the cartoon, and it might be a look that could make it into a Green Lantern movie (or a JLA movie).

I doubt they'll use John's JLU costume for a movie. Hal is obviously going to be the GL for any movie because he's the most recognizable and the one whom all the people in power like. I think they'll probably just stick with his updated quasi-original look, too.

 

[SenseiofCheese]

I doubt they'll use John's JLU costume for a movie. Hal is obviously going to be the GL for any movie because he's the most recognizable and the one whom all the people in power like. I think they'll probably just stick with his updated quasi-original look, too.

Really? I would have thought that the producers and such would go with John, for the "Look black people, we have one of you in our movie! Come see it!" factor.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I guess it's possible John might be used. JL/JLU showed that he could still be viable. I don't know if they'd make him the star of a solo movie, though. I think we'd be much likelier to see him in the JLA movie than in a GL movie, unless he's Hal's partner or something.

 

[SenseiofCheese]

Yeah, I guess it's possible John might be used. JL/JLU showed that he could still be viable. I don't know if they'd make him the star of a solo movie, though. I think we'd be much likelier to see him in the JLA movie than in a GL movie, unless he's Hal's partner or something.

I agree with you there, that Hal would be used in a solo movie. John is nowhere near as well known as Hal, so a movie where the character is the main focus would have to go with Hal, whereas an ensemble movie that has Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and The Flash, doesn't rely as heavily on who Green Lantern is.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Hal Jordan is very popular among comic book fans, but just as much non comic book fans probably know more about John being a Green Lantern then they do Hal. Justice League show was very popular and John pops up on all the advertisments.

 

[Artistsean]

Bruce Timm's JL/JLU version is even so popular that he has his own Halloween costume:

So it wouldn't surprise me if he is the version they use.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

here ya go yahman

 

[GL1]

Hollywood thinks that white people are inherently more marketable than black people. That is the reason they will use Hal if they use him. Because he's white and he'll make more money off of white kids who want to be him. When was the last time you saw a static shock action figure? Exactly.

Does anyone really think that Hollywood cares if Hal Jordan is more iconic to DC fans? That it has any business impact whatsoever? The guys who sold a emotional empathetic Batmobile-less Batman and his caucasian mortal Ra's... the guys who got burned on a fan-favorite director and an 'iconic' costume with an Iconic villain?

Anyway, these sketches are okay... but some of the concepts are so far from what DC is about it makes it... a poor man's Supreme Power.

 

[Mee]

Hollywood thinks that white people are inherently more marketable than black people. That is the reason they will use Hal if they use him. Because he's white and he'll make more money off of white kids who want to be him. When was the last time you saw a static shock action figure? Exactly.

Hardly anyone knows who Static is, so he wouldn't sell, which is why you don't see merchandise for him. Not cause he's black.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hollywood makes a lot of movies centered on black people too, which would be odd if they didn't believe they're marketable.

 

[Mee]

Will Smith? Pfft, no one wants to see that guy.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

For real. It's not like they'd ever wind up marketing an entire franchise on Chris Tucker's comedy, either. No way that'd ever sell.

 

[SpandexFan]

Thanks but no thanks. Ultimate Marvel dramatically changes storylines, but you'll find the costumes and art are usually pretty similar. I might read an Ultimate DC for new origins and tales, but I hope they don't look like that.

 

[GL1]

Interesting.

Hollywood thinks that white people are inherently more marketable than black people.

That is the statement. Not "Hollywood doesn't think black people are marketable." or "Hollywood hates black people." or even "Hollywood thinks movies with some blacks in them are less marketable." and certainly not "Hollywood thinks all black people are less marketable than all white people."

I picked Static because I thought it used to be big. Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps a more clear statement is: "In my experience Black action figures are hard to come by." Chris Tucker is funny, but I don't think it would have been made into a franchise without Jackie Chan. Perhaps you do.

Will Smith? Yeah... but name another black actor that's allowed to solo a summer blockbuster? Even proven guys like Denzel don't get marketing blitzes without Russel Crowes by their side. Hollywood does think Will Smith is marketable, and he's had to prove it over and over again. But if it were more than just Will Smith they believed was equally marketable, then where is another black blockbuster actor?

Hollywood makes movies (mostly comdies, some dramas) cetered on black people, to be sure. I wasn't aware the budgets are that big. I think that's because they don't expect to make as much money from those movies, perhaps you believe it is for another reason.

Here's what's got me: Can we prove them wrong? Is there any reason to believe that white people are not more marketable to a population which is either white or used to seeing whites in the position of hero/leader?

As per the topic: I'd be much more intersted in a version of DC which is completely realistic (as in, no one has super powers), than one in which Superman is toned down just to be toned down, since, lets face it, you can't spin aliens that look EXACTLY like humans into something "realistic."

 

[Ibn]

Commissioner Gordon looks like MLK.

 

[GL1]

Commissioner Gordon looks like MLK.

I acutally thought the black Commissioner Gordon was a nice touch... but it seemed unnecessary somehow... in a different way than a black Kingpin or a black Nick Fury.