The Dark Knight Villain Spawning

For the love of god!

1. Ra's Al Ghul did not create the Scarecrow.
2. For the last time!!!!! The Joker is not Jack Napier.
3. And hell no to the Joker giving Maroni the acid.

 

The whole line of villians connected is a neat idea, though I don't really suscribe to the Scarecrow tested on pre-Joker theory. We're not supposed to get any origin, but I think it's possible that the fear gas might have played a part, since it's still an important element pre-TDK as seen in the Gotham Times.

That said, couldn't this just be brought up in one of the pre-existing Joker threads, rather than make a whole new thread?

 

And yeah, Ra's didn't create Scarecrow, he just gave him new toys.

 

That's becuase no one knows who the Joker really is and that is the way it will be in the film.

Joker should not responsible for creating Two-Face at all. I will not happen that way dude. Sorry, but from what "we" know about the film now eveything points to just Maroni.

 

nolan said we're not getting an "origin of joker"

 

Making the Jokers origin dependent on another villain in any way is a bad move.

I'm happy to just have him turn up origin free.

 

I definetly dont want Heath's Joker to be Jack Napier

 

No problem with one villain being created by another, as long as it's done well.

 

It would take away from the independent 'wildcard' nature of the character.

To give him ties to other characters straight away would limit him.

 

So does Maroni's big part in creating Two-Face limit him, or Dent? Or does it create excellent dynamics between the 2 characters?

 

I just want to see this Joker come in with a blank slate, no baggage, just carnage.

But yeah, good point well made.

 

Oh, I wasn't talking about the Joker. I'm talking about villains in general.
I agree with you about the Joker. Still, if someone had a good idea about interweaved origins of him and another villain, I'd love to be surprised.

 

Just out of curiosity, which prequel trilogy are you defending?

 

why does joker have to have anything to do with the creation of two face? why cant it just be another subplot story arc wthin the film?

like your ideas about certain points though some good ideas but i dont think the film will pan out like this myself

i hope the fear gas does has somthing to with it but leaving the joker a mystery ads more depth like the whole wolverine thing

it keeps us and batman guessing

 

re edited to two face sorry

 

The Star Wars one. Love it, and at points much more than the Original One.

 

As I feared =p

I'll never watch them again but at least they spawned some good comics, games etc...

 

You always fear what you don't understand...

 

I'm glad that Gordon said in the trailer that the Joker has no other aliases and they basically had no clue as to who he is. Because if the name "Jack Napier" appeared in this movie, I'd disown it and Nolan's entire trilogy. That's how much I hate the idea of the Joker having a fleshed out origin in this movie. He works much better as a character with a mysterious background.

 

I think Harvey Dent should be the first 'stage' of the Joker trying out his 'laughing gas'. BB focused on all of that gas/antidote/chemical warefare stuff, they shouldn't fill TDK with it. We should see/hear that he is trying to develop Crane's formula to make his own brand of it, but he shouldn't use it until the end of the movie. I think whenever the Joker meets his demise, the last thing he has involvement with should be Harvey Dent. Sending a letter to him, another good chance to slip in one of these online game 'slogans' "I believe in Harvey Dent", he just thinks it is some fan mail and carelessly opens it. Then, when he opens it it should be rigged to explode, like a letter bomb, and the close quarter explosion, mixed with the effects of the Joker's toxin should both scar Dent, and turn him insane.

 

sybiote 666 see the thread i opened for a reaction to this

 

Possible spoilers

My guess is that Batman struggles with the choice of killing the joker, and that he ultimately decides to spare him and he goes to court. During the trial Joker scars Harvey Dent, causing Harvey to think "If Batman had killed the Joker this wouldn't have happened" thus warping his concept of right and wrong.
With this new sense of justice Dent hunts down Maroni and the reported limo scene takes place.


As for the joker, I think its better if he doesn't have any origins or ties to anyone. It works better to have a character that is, as Nolan called him, an absolute. Like the Villain in No land for old men (great movie you should check it out). That way the joker is a metaphor for the continued chaos that Batman faces reinforcing that his mission is not a finite one.

 

dick grayson once said that the he (batman) and the joker will always exist in constant battle

that they exist because the other one does

the joker is the chaos to batman's order

and einstein said

for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction

so spiderwill is right