Warriors Three Cast

[Ace of Knaves]

OK cool. I thought they were just called Mongols.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Mongoloids
Negroids
Caucazoids

 

[Chewy]

I really can't believe this is what we're arguing about. I thought the casting of Hogun would be the one people would have the least issue with, and I certainly didn't imagine people would complain about him not being played by a Caucasian. It's like complaining that War Machine isn't being played by a white man.

People love to argue the stupid issues of ethnicity in their superhero films.

Heck, in the last page of this thread there has been a complaint lobbed against Natalie Portman's casting because she is Jewish. The audacity of casting a Jewish woman as a human nurse!

 

[Manowar]

AFAIK Hogun isn't a 'real' anything, he's an immortal god like the rest of the asgardians. If he's mongul, then he's an asian immortal god, of which they have their own pantheons that are not indigenous to Asgard like he is.

I never said Hogun was a "real" anything. Just said that the Vikings did interact with Asians, and so it would be very possible for Hogun to have been asian. And considering all the Marvel literature & illustration, most probably he was.

FYI Asgardians are not "immortal", and not all Asgardians are Gods. Nobody said he is Mongul, but he has Mongul characteristics.

Also, Vikings are not a race but a way of life (culture). Many races had Viking culture.

I can't remember but it's possible that none of the Warriors Three were actual Marvel Norse Gods.

 

[piccolo]

In niggling over Manowar's 4th point, you've disregarded points 1 to 3. Who's to say the Aesir of the Marvel mythos have to all be Nordic white people? They are an entire species, like the human race is a species.

Who's to say they aren't?

When you or manowar find an asian amongst the godly pantheon in norse/viking mythology, any of it, real-world or comics, i'll be all ears.

 

[Webhead2006]

to me i see no issues with the casting of these three guys and all that. As for hogun i am not a thor comics reader so i dont know myself how the guys should be. But i agree with folks from the images i have seen hogun seems to be more asian looking type of character.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If that's true then ok. If you know the whereabouts of a scan depicting it that would help a lot.

And its not like my idea of asgard is so strikingly different than marvel's. I imagine asgard to be a dimension of 6 races, the only humanoid of which was worshipped by scandinavian and germanic tribes in europe. The idea that mongoloids weren't a part of the equation is not outraegous.

Sorry, I was mistaken, it was Mogul's home, the Mystic Mountain, that had that mix of races. Hogun's people were in that mix, though, since Mogul conquered Hogun's homeland earlier and made its people his subjects.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Who's to say they aren't?

When you or manowar find an asian amongst the godly pantheon in norse/viking mythology, any of it, real-world or comics, i'll be all ears.

Ummm......HOGUN, based on the numerous pictures you've ignored?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Who's to say they aren't?

When you or manowar find an asian amongst the godly pantheon in norse/viking mythology, any of it, real-world or comics, i'll be all ears.

If you open you're eyes you will see, in the multiple pictures of Hogun posted.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I had no idea that:

• • Hogun was anything other than Asian. The name even sounds like "Shogun" to me.
  • Natalie Portman is Jewish. (shrug)

 

[piccolo]

I never said Hogun was a "real" anything. Just said that the Vikings did interact with Asians, and so it would be very possible for Hogun to have been asian. And considering all the Marvel literature & illustration, most probably he was.

Why would real world vikings interacting with asians result in norse gods having asian gods amongst them?

Either Hogun is asian or he's not. If you can give me a good reason scandinavian/germanic godly pantheons would have mongoloid gods indigenous to their land, i'm listening.

I can't remember but it's possible that none of the Warriors Three are actual Gods.

AFAIK all of them are 'immortal' in the same sense that the rest of the asgardian pantheon are. None of them are just guys picked up along the way.

To reiterate, this will not affect my enjoyment of the movie nor do I believe there is anything to be done about this. I would have dropped it if not for the numerous guys who decided they simply had to inform me of the imaginary monguls present in asgardian mythology.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

There doesn't have to be a reason for Asians in the home of Marvel's Norse gods. They live in another dimension with all kinds of races and creatures. Marvel's Asgard is, once again, not 100% identical to the myths' Asgard, so the fact that it has Asians doesn't mean anything or have to have any reasonable basis, it's just how Marvel's version is.

Hogun's homeland is never seen, only mentioned in dialogue. This dude, Saguta, is the only other definite member of Hogun's race that I can recall seeing (although, again, it stands to reason that they're mixed in among Mogul's subjects in the Mystic Mountain, all of whom appear pretty Mongolian or Arabic to me):

You can decide for yourself whether he (or Hogun, for that matter) looks Mongolian, Russian, Lithuanian, or whatever else, but it seems pretty clear that at the very least they're not of the same Aryan-looking race as the other gods of Asgard to me.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Why would real world vikings interacting with asians result in norse gods having asian gods amongst them?

Either Hogun is asian or he's not. If you can give me a good reason scandinavian/germanic godly pantheons would have mongoloid gods indigenous to their land, i'm listening.

Maybe they slept with asian women, had half asian children?

AFAIK all of them are 'immortal' in the same sense that the rest of the asgardian pantheon are. None of them are just guys picked up along the way.

And the survey says?

Eh ehhhh!

The Marvel Asgardians are not actually immortal. They are just EXTREMELY long lived.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, they call themselves "immortals" all the time. Basically, they all get to live really long because of Idunn's golden apples. Hogun eats them the same as anyone else, I believe.

 

[piccolo]

Sorry, I was mistaken, it was Mogul's home, the Mystic Mountain, that had that mix of races. Hogun's people were in that mix, though, since Mogul conquered Hogun's homeland earlier and made its people his subjects.

Hoguns people had been there long before Mogul conquered. They weren't in that mix any more than aborigines are in the mix of the caucasian ethnicities living in australia.

From those pics posted there does seem to be an asian element to Hogun. If thats what the producers of Thor are going by then there is precedent. Ok.

I would be interested to hear how asian immortals got to be native to asgard from the writer of the books that scan came from, out of sheer curiousity.

 

[Franklin Richards]

People accepted into the fold have to eat the Golden Apples anyway.

Hoguns people had been there long before Mogul conquered. They weren't in that mix any more than aborigines are in the mix of the caucasian ethnicities living in australia.

From those pics posted there does seem to be an asian element to Hogun. If thats what the producers of Thor are going by then there is precedent. Ok.

I would be interested to hear how asian immortals got to be native to asgard from the writer of the books that scan came from, out of sheer curiousity.

Read "Eaters of the Dead"

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hoguns people had been there long before Mogul conquered. They weren't in that mix any more than aborigines are in the mix of the caucasian ethnicities living in australia.

From those pics posted there does seem to be an asian element to Hogun. If thats what the producers of Thor are going by then there is precedent. Ok.

I would be interested to hear how asian immortals got to be native to asgard from the writer of the books that scan came from, out of sheer curiousity.

The writer is Stan Lee, and the answer is probably something like "'Cause I felt like it." Like I said before, there wasn't a huge push for mythological accuracy in Marvel's comics of the '60s. Hell, Balder went from being an old man and Sif's brother in one of his earliest appearances to a young warrior who eventually turned out to be Thor's brother 40 years after his creation. All kinds of wonky stuff happened in those early comics.

 

[piccolo]

Maybe they slept with asian women, had half asian children?

I bet cultures must do this all the time, conquer and rape other people's and then adopt their gods.

Leave the thinking to corpulent and keyser soze.

And the survey says?

Eh ehhhh!

The Marvel Asgardians are not actually immortal. They are just EXTREMELY long lived.

That was a very important point you just made.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Now that I think about it he's prolly a Tartar.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I bet cultures must do this all the time, conquer and rape other people's and then adopt their gods.

They did actually. It wasn't uncommon.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Not that I think about it he's prolly a Tartar.

Like the sauce?

 

[Franklin Richards]

Sometimes spelled Tatar.


And not funny.

 

[piccolo]

You can decide for yourself whether he (or Hogun, for that matter) looks Mongolian, Russian, Lithuanian, or whatever else, but it seems pretty clear that at the very least they're not of the same Aryan-looking race as the other gods of Asgard to me.

In those scans they looked almost neaderthal. Not necessarily different from caucasian, just....less evolved, if that.

The writer is Stan Lee, and the answer is probably something like "'Cause I felt like it." Like I said before, there wasn't a huge push for mythological accuracy in Marvel's comics of the '60s. Hell, Balder went from being an old man and Sif's brother in one of his earliest appearances to a young warrior who eventually turned out to be Thor's brother 40 years after his creation. All kinds of wonky stuff happened in those early comics.

I meant the writer/artist of the first more contemporary scan posted by keyzer soze. Thats the only one where I can say he looks definitively asian and not just extremely rugged.

 

[BoredGuy]

I haven't been reading Thor for very long, but I've always assumed Hogun was Asian. I really don't see what the big deal is...

...and to the person who said that branagh was a "leftist" for casting this guy and a "jew" in Thor, it's really hard to take one seriously when your such an epic jagoff...

 

[Manowar]

Let me end this racial debate. Since there are no Asgardians or Skornheinians or whatever Hogun's actual background is in the Marvel Universe to "play" the part of Hogun in the Thor movie, the studios found someone (actor) on our planet Earth who looks similar to the Hogun we see illustrated in the comic books. I think they did well.

The actor just happens to be asian... It doesn't mean that Hogun is asian. Just looks asian. Does that satisfy eveyone??