The Dark Knight Was Batman portrayed right in this movie?

[TheDarkKnight08]

If you had presented it as an opinion instead of blatant fact, then I wouldn't have responded to it as harshly. I don't know where you're getting the idea that I was being hostile to you. I was under the impression we were have a decent talkback, and now I see that view was one-sided.

But I didn't. I hate people who state their opinion as fact, because it's just not true. And it kinda seemed to me you were, but if you weren't, sorry about that, but I was only giving my opinion on the fact.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

If you had presented it as an opinion instead of blatant fact, then I wouldn't have responded to it as harshly. I don't know where you're getting the idea that I was being hostile to you. I was under the impression we were have a decent talkback, and now I see that view was one-sided.

I wasn't, I was just stating my opinion. I dispise people who state their opinion as fact, because it certainly is not. I just though you were being like that, but if you weren't, sorry, but I was just simply stating my opinion on that topic.

 

[Crook]

I check the other forums too, ya know. And in all the DKR and TAS related threads, not once did I see you complain about these similar instances. Especially when it's an issue as big as you're making it out to be in TDK.

So I take it in all the discussions of these threads, you've seen me post my opinion on them? Because I find that a shock, considering I've never participated in a DKR discussion, nor have I talked about that episode in BTAS. Largely in part due to those specific forums being quite empty, but also because I have not seen/read the material in a very long while. Thus, I have no reason to discuss them.

I think it has to do with your eagerness to so harshly criticize what takes place in Nolan's films, yet giving a seemingly free pass to TAS and the comics when similar instances have taken place. Gives off an impression of hypocrisy. I mean, a lot of the posters here accept TAS and Miller's works as the barometer for how Batman should be portrayed.

Why did you write this? Do you want me to write it in bold?

IF I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING IN THE MOVIES, THE SAME THING APPLIES TO ANY SIMILAR SITUATION FOUND IN THE CARTOONS, NOVELS, OR COMICS.

And since we're so insistent on categorizing someone, please provide this proof that I've somehow given BTAS a pass in something that I didn't do for Nolan.

Yes, except those who are actually doing all the killing.

That's not Batman's fault. Why would he be responsible for their actions? It's his job to bring them to the proper authorities. That's it.

Now you're pulling hairs. This whole "city in crisis" is a strawman argument. Because that's exactly what he did in I am the Night. Gordon's life was hanging by the thread when Bruce decided to give up.

Am I not making myself clear here or something? Who the hell cares if the same thing happens in that episode? If it did, that doesn't change a damn thing about what I think about it.

And do you honestly think that in the 2 decade absence of Batman in DKR, not ONCE did the city ever go through a crisis?

There's a difference between having the city in peril while you're in duty, and after you've already retired. Again, I'm not giving Miller a pass on that either. The only leeway he's got on that plot point is if Bruce was injured severely to the point of no return, or if his old age got to him.

Wrong. Very wrong. It is because of his duty to his city that he felt he had to turn himself in. He's not happy or relieved about it like you make it sound as. He was compelled to do it. He thought he had no other choice. The look on Bruce's face when everyone at the press conference was demanding the Batman to be brought into custody alone should've made that clear enough.

When did I say he was happy or relieved about it? Never.

Second, giving up the cowl was so he wouldn't have anymore "direct blood" on his hands because of the Joker. Wasn't this agreed as the basis for his decision? According to that, after Bruce turns himself in, it's up to Dent and the rest of the city to nab Joker if he doesn't stop (which he will obviously not). Any kills after this moment cannot be pinned responsible by Batman, because he lived up to his end of the bargain.

I wasn't, I was just stating my opinion. I dispise people who state their opinion as fact, because it certainly is not. I just though you were being like that, but if you weren't, sorry, but I was just simply stating my opinion on that topic.

When you started out with "That's the problem with..." it sounded like it was a statement of fact. But since you've cleared that up, then fine, I'll take back what I said.

I'm not here to dissuade anyone from their own opinions, just here to defend my own.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

When you started out with "That's the problem with..." it sounded like it was a statement of fact. But since you've cleared that up, then fine, I'll take back what I said.

I'm not here to dissuade anyone from their own opinions, just here to defend my own.

Cool. As do I. I would usually extend my hand to shake yours, but you can see why I can't.

 

[the_tortel]

he coulda used some tips from adam west

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

To me Bale is terrific as Batman, he perfectly nails the mystery and chilling appearance surrounding the character, and you'll notice that at the funeral for Commissioner Loeb it'
s Bruce and not Batman doing his detective work at the apartment because true Bat-fans know that Batman only comes out at night.

People will always complain whether it's the costume, voice, etc but I just ignore those ignorants.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

To me Bale is terrific as Batman, he perfectly nails the mystery and chilling appearance surrounding the character, and you'll notice that at the funeral for Commissioner Loeb it'
s Bruce and not Batman doing his detective work at the apartment because true Bat-fans know that Batman only comes out at night.

People will always complain whether it's the costume, voice, etc but I just ignore those ignorants.

Though everyone has their own opinion, but I'm totally there with this guy. IMO, this is the closest we'll see to the Batman we know and love form the comics, but I still believe they'll improve on him even more in BB3.

 

[nickyg641]

For me, the Batman of this series hasn't yet reached the Batman I imagine. For now, he's in his early stages as Batman, and there's still this sense of being unsure about what to do and when. I prefer a more advanced Batman, where he's stoic, and he's lost that sort of innocence that I see in Bale's Batman.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

For me, the Batman of this series hasn't yet reached the Batman I imagine. For now, he's in his early stages as Batman, and there's still this sense of being unsure about what to do and when. I prefer a more advanced Batman, where he's stoic, and he's lost that sort of innocence that I see in Bale's Batman.

I see what you're saying. I've always thought of Nolan's Batman as the Batman from Year One, in both BB and TDK. Like it's not all there, but we're definitely getting there. Like in TDK, I definitely see him rolling into that direction, which, IMO, is more than I can say for the others. I love Bale because of that, but that's just my opinion.

 

[the_scream]

I can't believe posters on this board are complaining about Batman's portrayal in this film. Especially those who are harping on Bruce giving himself up over The Joker killings. All you blokes should really go enlighten yourself by watching the TAS episode "I am the Night" and by reading DKR.
Batman's one weakness is that he can't stand feeling responsible for someone else's death. It is his one breaking point and it has been shown time and again in every medium the character has appeared in, with TDK being no exception.

In TDK, Bruce doesn't give in to The Joker's demands per se, but rather to his own consciousness and sense of guilt as being responsible for the deaths of other people. That's why when Rachel says to him "you honestly think that's going to stop The Joker from killing people", he replies with "maybe not". Bruce just can't stand having blood on his hands, and if it means hanging his cape and cowl, then so be it.

That is also why he risks his own life to save Reese. That's pure Batman right there. Bruce doesn't give a damn that Reese was (and probably will) reveal his secret identity. He tries to save him because the reason why Reese's life was endangered was simply because he was going to reveal Batman's secret to begin with.

And no, the "but he killed Dent" argument doesn't hold weight because:

1. It was an accident. Pure and simple. It was an impulsive, desperate, last moment effort on his part to save Gordon's son from being killed. We can clearly see that Batman was hurt after being shot by Harvey (not to mention being completely exhausted by the encounter with The Joker and SWAT beforehand). That is why he couldn't muster up the strength to pull himself up or open up his cape during his freefall.

Well put.

 

[obiwan]

i thought bales batman was alot darker and violent in this one for sure. in BB he was too but he just seemed so much more relentless in TDK, especially with the joker. its like nothin would get in his way. he came very close to killing ppl, if he hadnt that is. i think he unintentionally killed twoface, although he kinda needed to if he was gonna stop him. that guy was gonna kill the kid! he HAD to die in a way.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

i thought bales batman was alot darker and violent in this one for sure. in BB he was too but he just seemed so much more relentless in TDK, especially with the joker. its like nothin would get in his way. he came very close to killing ppl, if he hadnt that is. i think he unintentionally killed twoface, although he kinda needed to if he was gonna stop him. that guy was gonna kill the kid! he HAD to die in a way.

Agreed. IMO, I only think that Batman considers him breaking his own rule if he kills out of spite and on purpose. He was just doing it to save Gordon's kid.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Holy Crap! Some debating for real is going on in here, glad to see it, its been a while.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Holy Crap! Some debating for real is going on in here, glad to see it, its been a while.

Um, thanks?

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

The movie is amazing, no question there, in fact, it dethroned Ang Lee´s Hulk as the best comic book movie so far (IMO, of course), but the answer is easily, NO.
He wasn´t portraited rigth in this movie in comparison to the real Batman, the comic book counterpart.
But the first movie also failed there, so, this one can be blamed for that, it is, after all , a sequel.

To it´s defense, no comic book movie so far as made a good portrait of the characters...except Hellboy, which was perfect.
As for "mainstream" character, Lee´s Hulk was the closer, being more or less 70% accurate.

 

[MrQuinn]

The movie is amazing, no question there, in fact, it dethroned Ang Lee´s Hulk as the best comic book movie so far (IMO, of course), but the answer is easily, NO.
He wasn´t portraited rigth in this movie in comparison to the real Batman, the comic book counterpart.
But the first movie also failed there, so, this one can be blamed for that, it is, after all , a sequel.

To it´s defense, no comic book movie so far as made a good portrait of the characters...except Hellboy, which was perfect.
As for "mainstream" character, Lee´s Hulk was the closer, being more or less 70% accurate.

I know this is off topic and all...but just a quick response on the "accurate movie portrayals" thing...

While I agree that no movie is 100% perfect in portrayal of a comic book character (honestly, how could it be?) I find that there are a few movies that are quite accurate, one being Spiderman (1 and 2), and another, brace yourself, being Daredevil. Yeah the costume was bad, yeah it was Ben Affleck, but as a movie about Daredevil, well...the movie was about Daredevil. I feel his character was well portrayed in the movie. Keep in mind I mean Daredevil, and not Matt Murdock, who I think should have been shown in a kickass lawyer scene at some point.

In TDK, I think he is decently portrayed, especially it being at a particular point in his creation. I think Batman in the comics grew more bitter and kind of dead inside as he progressed, knowing his efforts kind of seem futile in a way... I feel in the beginning perhaps it all meant a little more to him, and it seems Bale shows this in the movies, as well as that futileness that seems to wash ashore when the Joker makes himself known.

I've been drinking so I'm just rambling... sorry..

 

[November Rain]

Personally I prefer my bruce wayne and batman a lil darker, i want the playboy persona to be a complete mask and for bruce to be completely dark with alfred and maybe rachel being his only light of humanity in a soul who has destined himself to this lifetime of obsessive solitude

I didn't get the lifetime of solitude in this film but maybe becoming a wanted man will change that.

I also prefer my batman more rigid with some prep time to him, he seemed really overwhelmed by the joker and never recovered.

I mean the joker purposely getting caught so he could get the bank dude and then harvey and knowing harvey wasn't batman was a pure fit of genius. Bats never showed that level of intelligence throughout the film. They should at the very least been equals.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

While I agree that no movie is 100% perfect in portrayal of a comic book character (honestly, how could it be?) I find that there are a few movies that are quite accurate, one being Spiderman (1 and 2), and another, brace yourself, being Daredevil. Yeah the costume was bad, yeah it was Ben Affleck, but as a movie about Daredevil, well...the movie was about Daredevil. I feel his character was well portrayed in the movie. Keep in mind I mean Daredevil, and not Matt Murdock, who I think should have been shown in a kickass lawyer scene at some point.

It takes much more than to have the powers and suits equal to the comics, to be faithful. You need the characters soul too.
Spider-Man is a copy of the comic, and that´s the problem right there, he is a 2D character.
The less i talk about DD the better, the more i see that movie, there more i can´t stand it.

In TDK, I think he is decently portrayed, especially it being at a particular point in his creation. I think Batman in the comics grew more bitter and kind of dead inside as he progressed, knowing his efforts kind of seem futile in a way... I feel in the beginning perhaps it all meant a little more to him, and it seems Bale shows this in the movies, as well as that futileness that seems to wash ashore when the Joker makes himself known.

All Batman movies fail in one thing, and extremely important thing that makes all the difference in the world...FEAR.
"Criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts. I must be a creature of the night, black, terrible...i shall become a BAT.
Batman is an urban legend, many people live in Gotham for years and still don´t believe he exists.
There is all kind of theories about him, from Batman being a fairy tale told by cops to strike fear into the hearts of criminals, to Batman being the spirit of the city come to life...he may look human, but he isn´t.
If Batman appears near a cop, he feels safe but is also scared, he knows that Batman will help him, but he doesn´t know what Batman is.
So, the simple notion of having cops and other people look at Batman as one of them, as a guy that does what the cops can´t...that is not Batman.

And Batman is obsessed to the point of lunacy.....and he is alone, he is the only one that can do it, to be Batman is his life, his crusade, Bruce Wayne died with his parents.
He would never think of giving up, of becaming "normal", not because he doesn´t want to, but because that´s his life, without it he is nothing, all his life since that fatidical night was to become the Dark Knight, that´s why he traveled the world, that´s why he trained, that´s why he learned...that´s the only life he has.

The only moment in movie where i actually saw the real Batman was in Burton´s 89 movie, in a scene with no more than 5 minutes.
Bruce Wayne is sitting in front of the computer, in the cave, looking at his scrapbook with photos and articles of his parents death.
That´s Batman....

And why they always put eyes on the suit?
He looks better in the last minutes of the movie, then in all the movies combined.
To have no eyes give him a much inhuman look......returning to my argument of the urban legend

 

[The Sage]

I thought it made sense for Batman to be overwhelmed by the Joker since he never faced anyone like him before.

 

[Boom]

I thought it would've been cool if, rather than actually planning to turn himself in, Batman and Harvey both planned to use Harvey as bait for The Joker.

 

[Fanticon]

yes he was and remember this is only Year Two...he's still learning.

 

[Crook]

I thought it would've been cool if, rather than actually planning to turn himself in, Batman and Harvey both planned to use Harvey as bait for The Joker.

Exactly. Would've made Dent out to be a hero, and Batman the brains of the operation.

 

[Boom]

It would also show how far Batman was willing to go in order to catch The Joker. And it would've been just as effective at pissing Rachel the hell off.

 

[iamsilvio]

chirstian bales face does not work as batman. They should have gotten someone who looked like batman from the 90's animated series. Chirstians face looks really hard and his features are so so narrow. I also think that his face does not take to the suit and he does not come across as intelligent. Sauve, daring, brave etc. but not the brilliant detective the comics portray him to be.

 

[iamsilvio]

Isildur you are so right. They stripped batman of his "Awe." Forexample, in the scene where the joker crashes the party, there are no reaction shots. Nolan's batman just feels like some weird dude in a halloween mask. Even the mob boss that batman dropped was laughing at him! Nolan for the next batman film, bring back the mistique and awe of the character. Batman is supposed to be scary and impressive.