The Dark Knight Was Batman portrayed right in this movie?

[TheDarkKnight08]

He did. I'm not denying that.

Dent orchestrated the entire plan on his own, with Batman essentially being on the sidelines. I just irks me that Batman had nothing to do with the planning. That's all.

Well, this was around the time he was planning on turning himself in. He wasn't planning on taking the Joker in anymore. Like he said, he wanted to wash the blood off his hand. That's just me, and I understand what you're saying, but I actually liked the way that scene flowed. Though I'm all for a better strategist in Batman in the next one.

 

[MrQuinn]

Well, this was around the time he was planning on turning himself in. He wasn't planning on taking the Joker in anymore. Like he said, he wanted to wash the blood off his hand. That's just me, and I understand what you're saying, but I actually liked the way that scene flowed. Though I'm all for a better strategist in Batman in the next one.

Agreed. We have to take into consideration Batman is still a noob. Now he has this in his history, he will make mental notes and be better suited in the future for off the wall tactile's such as Dent's.

 

[Sexecutioner]

I'm not a Batman expert, but I have been a fan for 18 years. I don't think any Batman is the "right" Batman. He is a versatile character that can be geared toward kids or for adults. It all depends on your own opinion.

I felt Batman was handled right in The Dark Knight. He was dark and brooding, pushed to the edge, still learning how to battle crime. He wasn't "perfect." Batman is only in his second year of crime fighting, after all. Batman was arrogant and big-headed, and it cost him Rachael.

In the third film, I feel that Batman will be even more Batman. The end of BB made him Batman. The end of TDK made him the icon.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Agreed. We have to take into consideration Batman is still a noob. Now he has this in his history, he will make mental notes and be better suited in the future for off the wall tactile's such as Dent's.

Thank you. Like I've stated before, I believe Nolan's Batman is the Year One Batman. He's still learning. I don't think we can't expect him to be as advanced as the one from the comics. Remember, the Batman we know from the comics has been doing this job for a much longer time than the movie version. I still pieces of that Batman here, and I'm confident we'll see that in full affect in BB3. That's how I see him.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I'm not a Batman expert, but I have been a fan for 18 years. I don't think any Batman is the "right" Batman. He is a versatile character that can be geared toward kids or for adults. It all depends on your own opinion.

I felt Batman was handled right in The Dark Knight. He was dark and brooding, pushed to the edge, still learning how to battle crime. He wasn't "perfect." Batman is only in his second year of crime fighting, after all. Batman was arrogant and big-headed, and it cost him Rachael.

In the third film, I feel that Batman will be even more Batman. The end of BB made him Batman. The end of TDK made him the icon.

Wow, I don't think I've gotten chills like that since I saw the ending.

 

[DeaDheaD]

But it just makes Batman look stupid, as far as I'm concerned. The fact that Dent had the stones to go forward with this plan, and Batman had absolutely no part in it.

Well Dent's plan wasn't fool-proof, he got a lot of help from Gordon and Batman, and without Batman, Dent dies from the bazooka........I liked the fact that it wasn't all on Batman's shoulders to save the city, other's like Dent and Gordon had a hand in developing ways to help Gotham, in stead of just re-acting to Batman or the Joker.

 

[The Guard]

Here's the crutch of the argument. See, believing that the blood is on his hands, is naive. Period. So is believing that his parents being killed was his fault. But thankfully, Nolan had Bruce saying that when he was....a child. Which is my point here. It's childish reasoning. I fully expected Bruce to be a lot more intelligent than letting Joker ultimately get the best of him. I'm sure the question of whether letting Joker live or die is for better or worse, is at the back of Bruce's head every day. It's a common theme when you deal with these two, for any medium. But in the end, he won't compromise the mission or his morals as a result of it.

It's not just naive, it's self-defeating. I'm tired of seeing Bruce whine about how other people's actions are his fault.

And I'm not buying the "I'll leave it to Dent to handle things". At least not in the point where he's giving up the mantle. The commissioner, the judge, and now Gordon were just knocked off very easily. What makes Bruce think Dent would fare any better? Hell, the ONLY reason Dent was still alive, was because Bruce choked his ass out before Joker could get to him. Wouldn't that be obvious, that ok, maybe the traditional means of taking criminals is just not going to work with Joker? If Bruce trusts Dent with Gotham enough to leave the cowl, fine. But do it at an appropriate time, where the city seems to be under control. Not when it's at it's absolute worst.

Exactly.

The sheer illogic of some of Batman's actions in this movie boggles my mind.

I can't believe posters on this board are complaining about Batman's portrayal in this film. Especially those who are harping on Bruce giving himself up over The Joker killings. All you blokes should really go enlighten yourself by watching the TAS episode "I am the Night" and by reading DKR.

"I am The Night" doesn't get it any more right than TDK did, and DKR shows a whole different reason for him quitting. A reason that actually makes a bit of sense (he got old and he cleaned up Gotham for the most part).

Second, giving up the cowl was so he wouldn't have anymore "direct blood" on his hands because of the Joker. Wasn't this agreed as the basis for his decision? According to that, after Bruce turns himself in, it's up to Dent and the rest of the city to nab Joker if he doesn't stop (which he will obviously not). Any kills after this moment cannot be pinned responsible by Batman, because he lived up to his end of the bargain.

That's absurd. What would make Batman think that a police force who had been absolutely made a laughingstock by the Joker would suddenly be able to apprehend him?

That's just the most ridiculous reasoning ever. If anything, he should have strapped on a pair and hunted The Joker down right then and there while the city calls for him to turn himself in. Then, Dent saying he's Batman makes sense in context, and the city turning against Batman doesn't feel so damned forced at the end of the movie.

I thought it made sense for Batman to be overwhelmed by the Joker since he never faced anyone like him before.

It makes perfect sense for him to be overwhelmed by The Joker. Any incarnation of Batman should have him being overwhelmed by the Joker, realizing there is a new kind of foe that he has to face, etc.

But that shouldn't make him QUIT. That should make him take his game to a whole new level.

 

[mavsmaniac21]

loved it

 

[JoeCat]

This should be a public poll, so those who opted to chose "Bale should retire" can be known and stoned in the streets.

 

[spideymouse]

I'm not a Batman expert, but I have been a fan for 18 years. I don't think any Batman is the "right" Batman. He is a versatile character that can be geared toward kids or for adults. It all depends on your own opinion.

I felt Batman was handled right in The Dark Knight. He was dark and brooding, pushed to the edge, still learning how to battle crime. He wasn't "perfect." Batman is only in his second year of crime fighting, after all. Batman was arrogant and big-headed, and it cost him Rachael.

In the third film, I feel that Batman will be even more Batman. The end of BB made him Batman. The end of TDK made him the icon.

So the end of BB3 should make him the legend. =)

 

[Mee]

The suit looked WAY better in the movie than in most of the stills we got over the last few months. I don't mind Bale's voice, mostly it's great. (he slips up in a couple lines and it comes out weird, but whatever) And of course the writing is great.


So yeah.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

This should be a public poll, so those who opted to chose "Bale should retire" can be known and stoned in the streets.

Well, if we read these negative posts, I believe we figure out some suspects.t:

 

[MrQuinn]

The suit looked WAY better in the movie than in most of the stills we got over the last few months. I don't mind Bale's voice, mostly it's great. (he slips up in a couple lines and it comes out weird, but whatever) And of course the writing is great.


So yeah.

The suit didn't look so terrible as in the stills, you're right, but I still really hate those weird shoulder pads. And I thought his cowl looked rather silly in the direct light of the interrogation room.
Of course, it might have just looked silly because there was a guy in a bat suit just sitting in a chair talking to a guy in odd colored garments with smudged clown makeup.

 

[Fenrir]

But it just makes Batman look stupid, as far as I'm concerned. The fact that Dent had the stones to go forward with this plan, and Batman had absolutely no part in it.

Probably had to do with the fact that he didn't want to endanger any more lives on his account, least of all Dent's who he saw as his true successor. I think Dent's resilience during the press conference truly showed Bruce the real importance of Batman in the eyes of others. That was his inspiration to push on, especially when after his own impression of the symbol of Batman had fallen in his own eyes with the copycats and Joker going "see this is how crazy Batman has made Gotham". Bruce was pretty much convinced at that point that Batman had actually become a negative influence on Gotham, and the exact opposite of what he intended.

 

[8blades]

You know guys, I did not feel that Batman was really in this movie. It seemed there was more focus on Gotham, Dent and co. than on Batman. He used his detective skills ONCE! I felt no evolution of Batman in this flick.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Why is it that I'm getting this gist that some people that didn't enjoy the movie and Batman's portrayl just can't seem to let the ones who did like it, enjoy it? I'm not saying all of you, because some of you who didn't like present their opinions as opinions and respect those who did, but there really are a lot who just can't seem to let it go.