Superman Returns Was it really a Jon Peters problem.....?

[Lightning54SC]

Meh, Batman Begins pwned so I don't really care for Peters.

for sure lets pray that goyer doesnt screw this franshise up like he did BLADE

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Don't worry, Goyer is only writing the story......Jonathan Nolan, Chris Nolan' brother, who I believe co-wrote Memento, will write the script and then Chris will go over it himself. Which, sounds good to me. I think Rami does the same thing.

 

[charl_huntress]

he did but he edited out soooo muccchhhhh wait for the D/C im sure it will answer so many questions plus people will love it then more

LOL...If I gotta wait for the d/c edition...then his vision was off. Like I said, in the stadium....but way too much time in the parking lot

 

[Kandorcitizen]

I in fact loved the movie...yet noticed some "Jon Peter'esqe" moments.

1. Superman's black suit...

2. Cute annoying pet/dog of Kitty's

3. Superman "Dies"

 

[Spare-Flair]

Jon Peters is there IN NAME ONLY.

Just like he was on Rain Man in name only. As a WB executive, he gets billing automatically in any project that he signs off on. He had nothing to do with this particular production after all that wasted money and fiasco with Superman Lives.

Superman Returns is Singer's vision and responsibility almost entirely. Think about, Superman Returns was completely lacking in villains for Superman to fight and was relatively quiet and even slow/dramatic at the end. Jon Peters has said that there should be an all-out fight every 15 minutes in a movie from Giant Spiders to Polar Bears to killer robots.

The black suit is an element of the comics, the dog is typical fare for your average villain or villain's mistress in a campy type plot. I see the dog as an upgrade over Otis from Superman 1978 which Singer loves so dearly. That Superman dies is an in-joke from Singer to the fans who know the history of the Death of Superman and the "Superman Lives" project.

 

[Nightwing1977]

I still don't get why people keep saying SR is a failure. It's been 5 days, guys. It did better than BB & that movie became a success, despite several competitons. And Jon Peters has nothing to do with SR. He's just billing in name only.

BTW, SR don't need to make Spider-Man's numbers to be a success. Just as long it's good & successful. Don't forget it hasn't open internationally yet & that DVD sales will help.

 

[Spare-Flair]

I still don't get why people keep saying SR is a failure. It's been 5 days, guys. It did better than BB & that movie became a success, despite several competitons. And Jon Peters has nothing to do with SR. He's just billing in name only.

BTW, SR don't need to make Spider-Man's numbers to be a success. Just as long it's good & successful. Don't forget it hasn't open internationally yet & that DVD sales will help.

It's not an economic failure. But a sentimental failure, a failure of expectations for a great film and a disappointment after 30 years.

 

[LostSon88]

I still don't get why people keep saying SR is a failure. It's been 5 days, guys. It did better than BB & that movie became a success, despite several competitons. And Jon Peters has nothing to do with SR. He's just billing in name only.

But at the same time, BB didn't open during the 4th of July weekend, arguably the biggest holiday weekend of the year for movies...the expectations were much higher.

BTW, SR don't need to make Spider-Man's numbers to be a success. Just as long it's good & successful. Don't forget it hasn't open internationally yet & that DVD sales will help.

But SR couldn't even make X3 numbers...at this point, they were already past 100+.

I loved the movie, plannin on seein it for the 2nd time tomorrow but I will admit that I am somewhat disappointed in these B.O. numbers...not because I give a s*** about how much the WB will make, but because of the potential effect it will have on the next movie, budget wise.

 

[lobocrisis]

Don't cuss, you'll hurt nightwing's feelings.

 

[LostSon88]

I wasn't cursing at him. I was just using that word to further express my opinion...

I gots no problems wid Nightwing.

 

[dpm07]

Singer and that waste of a writing team Harris and Daughtery are to blame. They are the brain children along with Singer who had the idea to connect the film to the Donner films, as well as give Superman a son from which I don't know if any Superman film can recover.

Jon Peters while not someone I care for, was really only producer in name only.

This film's debacle is on Singer and his tools. It was Singer who didn't look at other resource material other than the Donner film. It was Singer who had the vision to only have Superman and Lex in the film and to introduce Kitty Kowalski rather than use Mercy Greaves. It was Singer who made a waste of the talent of Kal Penn and Peta Wilson. It was Singer who decided to make this a "chick flick" and who decided not to have a climax with Superman fighting a supervillain.

It was Singer and his fragile ego that had to be massaged by his yes men Harris & Daughtery. A writing team that doesn't even deserve to be in the field they are writing.

Singer dug a hole with this film due to to his blind fanatical fetish and worship of the Donner film, and it is being reflected by the lack of interest by the fans.

 

[Matt]

While certain people would like to use anything possible to deflect blame from Singer, Peters had absolutely nothing to do with this failure.

 

[charl_huntress]

Singer and that waste of a writing team Harris and Daughtery are to blame. They are the brain children along with Singer who had the idea to connect the film to the Donner films, as well as give Superman a son from which I don't know if any Superman film can recover.

Jon Peters while not someone I care for, was really only producer in name only.

This film's debacle is on Singer and his tools. It was Singer who didn't look at other resource material other than the Donner film. It was Singer who had the vision to only have Superman and Lex in the film and to introduce Kitty Kowalski rather than use Mercy Greaves. It was Singer who made a waste of the talent of Kal Penn and Peta Wilson. It was Singer who decided to make this a "chick flick" and who decided not to have a climax with Superman fighting a supervillain.

It was Singer and his fragile ego that had to be massaged by his yes men Harris & Daughtery. A writing team that doesn't even deserve to be in the field they are writing.

Singer dug a hole with this film due to to his blind fanatical fetish and worship of the Donner film, and it is being reflected by the lack of interest by the fans.

LOL...if this was a chick flick then I think he failed. Chicks aren't really impressed by unrelatable, sorta whiny heroes and tons of angsty romance, but that could be.

I think the story can be salvalged, but they'd have to bring in some help for those two children. A comic writer would be just wonderful. They need someone who knows Superman, and knows what people generally like about Superman. If they could get that right, the kid would add nice subtext...the good kind. The franchise needs more children, especially after this dark, depressing film made only for intellectuals.

 

[Lightning54SC]

LOL...if this was a chick flick then I think he failed. Chicks aren't really impressed by unrelatable, sorta whiny heroes and tons of angsty romance, but that could be.

you are so wrong buddy ive seen more girls cry and grab my arm in this movie then in a horror flick seriously they all loved it

 

[M.O.Steel]

First of, the only source of Jon Peter's crazy ideas is the mouth of kevin smith. Even Singer admitted to that.

Second of, the big shot producer himself admitted his mistake. In the documentary look up in the sky, he said he wanted to change the superman to modernize it more for the new generation, but later he realized his mistake and that what makes superman great is the tradition, not the changes. A BIG time producer blatantly admitted his mistake. Cut the guy some slack.

 

[danoyse]

LOL...if this was a chick flick then I think he failed. Chicks aren't really impressed by unrelatable, sorta whiny heroes and tons of angsty romance, but that could be.

Wow, that's so unbelievably off. As a female:

-I loved the idea of Superman having a son
-I loved Lois being furious at him for leaving them
-I loved that Richard was a much a hero as Superman was
-I loved that it ended with Superman committing to his child, rather than flash a supervillian for the sequel and roll credits

If they could get that right, the kid would add nice subtext...the good kind. The franchise needs more children, especially after this dark, depressing film made only for intellectuals.

It was only for smart people? No wonder so many people didn't like it.

I thought they did a great job with the kid.

 

[Payle Gray]

...I wonder what Kevin Smith thought of the movie.

 

[Lightning54SC]

...I wonder what Kevin Smith thought of the movie.

ive been pondering this the past few days

 

[Anjow1060]

for sure lets pray that goyer doesnt screw this franshise up like he did BLADE

I'd keep my eyes on Nolan thank you very much. Senior realism might forget he's making a comic book movie and change one too many things. Goyer may have some sucky one-liners, but he still knows the character better than the Nolans. But thats an entirley differant forum.

 

[Matt]

ive been pondering this the past few days

Kevin Smith will think whatever his nerdy clique on his internet message board wants him to think. God forbid he lose favor as king of the geeks.

 

[Anjow1060]

I still don't get why people keep saying SR is a failure. It's been 5 days, guys. It did better than BB & that movie became a success, despite several competitons. And Jon Peters has nothing to do with SR. He's just billing in name only.

BTW, SR don't need to make Spider-Man's numbers to be a success. Just as long it's good & successful. Don't forget it hasn't open internationally yet & that DVD sales will help.

But Begins started out slow and rose up. Sups started decent is on the decline. Thats the differance.

 

[Sub-Zero]

you can't really blame someone who has nothing to do with the final product. peters just put his name on the film. singer and co. and wb all had this stupid idea to make superman a father. it wasn't singer's idea. they had a son back in the burton era. singer made a movie for himself he didn't think about the fans. we all wanted something new and different not a quasi updated version of the donner film.

but the writers did use stuff from the comics like supes saving that experimental shuttle like in mos.this movie wasn't bad. imo it was the best superman film. the kid ruined the mythos but not the movie.

 

[charl_huntress]

Wow, that's so unbelievably off. As a female:

-I loved the idea of Superman having a son
-I loved Lois being furious at him for leaving them
-I loved that Richard was a much a hero as Superman was
-I loved that it ended with Superman committing to his child, rather than flash a supervillian for the sequel and roll credits

Glad you loved it...I did not, and that was my opinion on Singer's execution. You liked it...great

It was only for smart people? No wonder so many people didn't like it.

Yep, I'm a moron...most of America seems to be too. Please drag all these smart people to see the movie again and again...because the morons aren't going even on their days off. I don't want the franchise to fail, so use your intelligence and get these numbers up so we don't get shafted on the budget for the sequel Which I hope actually gets more morons to see it...you know then we might have more fans for Superman instead of sheep who think they are extra smart.

I thought they did a great job with the kid.

Absolutely agreed. I LOVE that kid, it's just too bad the story fell down around him. I still love him though and I want to see him in the sequels (not in tights though). You will not get one complaint from me about the kid

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I never really care much for the BO numbers. The only thing I see it as is a means for a sequel. I think it'll get the numbers up enough for a sequel.

 

[Bad Superman]

Jon Peters had nothing to do with Superman Returns. He was a producer in NAME only.

Besides, he seemed to be supportive of this interpretation of Superman.

He even had the balls to admit that he didn't understand the character in the "Look up in the sky" Documentary:

"I had it wrong for 12 years."

He earned some points for that.

2 points.