Superman Returns Was it really THAT bad?

I ask myself that all the time... Fine, I get it some fans don´t like the kid idea, I get it they think there´s too much homage to Donner, that it lacks a fight and stuff, but seriously, people really stretch it to try and put it on the same league as a Batman & Robin, and refuse to see similar qualities they´re more than happy to point out in other superhero movies. I never saw a movie on these boards be judged so harshly without actual good reasons for it.

 

I would have to say yes, it is really that bad.

 

SR to me is below STM and Superman 2 (Lester Cut) and obviously by any reasonable standard is lightyears ahead of Superman 3 and 4. Superman 3 i don't even consider a Superman movie, it was a poor attempt at a Richard Pryor comedy. As awful as Superman 4 was at least it tried to be a Superman movie.

SR has flaws but to me the good far outweighs the bad. Looks like the idiots at WB are bailing on the sequel and putting Superman in a bad spot again, even though he does not have to be if they just let Singer make the damn sequel.

 

Then you really need to rewatch Superman IV.

 

It is really a bad movie, even The Hulk and Daredevil are better movies, one got a reboot and the other's sequels got scrapped!

 

So "Electra" never happened then?

By the way I loved "Superman Returns". And when I saw "Superman IV" in the cinema I thought it a travesty putting it nicely.

Angeloz

 

superman returns is one of my favourite movies of all time and some of you guys need to move on

 

For me it's all about expectations. Superman 4 was bad but who expected it to be good after the horrible Superman 3? It was pretty obvious they didn't care too much about making a good film with Superman 4.

Superman Returns isn't as bad as Elektra, Batman and Robin, Daredevil, or many of the other films mentioned. But that said, who expected Elektra to be good? I expected Superman Returns to be an instant classic. What we got was a good looking (other than the colors) film, with a retread story, actors with no chemisty, and a rediculous villian and "plan". Nothing Super at all. It was bland, boring, and dissapointing. However, I doubt any rational person can truly say it was worse than the really bad films mentioned here.

WB sees no future in any sequels. They gave Singer his shot, and whether you liked the film or not, the franchise failed. You can argue whether or not the film failed, that is a matter of personal opinion. But the Singer Superman franchise is dead.

 

I just want to say I wanted "Superman IV" to be good at the time. I loved the Junior Novel too. So I really disliked the film when I saw it. I'll grant you I was young but I still could think critically. Ironically I went in expecting it to be good and came out disappointed. Whereas I went in cynically to "Superman Returns" and came out enjoying it. Which made me go back and I saw even more in it. That's what kept me going back. I will point out though the clips and trailers are what made me go in the first place. As I loved Christopher Reeve and was unsure if I could accept Brandon Routh in a film. Also because of "Superman IV" and other crap I'd heard over the years it made me want to avoid seeing a new Superman film. The trailer and clips told me that it probably was good maybe even great. So I went. I'm glad I did. I really wish we had IMAX as well 'cos I'd probably see it more than I did as well as possibly in 3D.

Angeloz

 

It's not bad at all, the only reason it rehashed plenty of ideas was to drum in the idea it was still in continuity.

It did a great job of that and set up a very interesting future for the franchise.

lil changes to lois and the costume and the next film will be right as rain.

 

Superman Returns is the second best Superman movie, just next to STM for me.

The Superman IV is just a funny/hyperbolic comparision. Not meant to be taken seriously.

 

Only a few people people say that it is the worse movie ever made, I could be wrong but I don't think that opinion represents most people who didn't enjoy the film. GhostRider is worse,Catwoman is worse, B&R and Superman 3 and 4 are worse. The Punisher 04 is worse and so is Batman Returns. Hell I'm not even a big fan of the first two. Dardevil and Hulk are probably on about the same level as it as far as I'm concerned. Like in the 4.5 to 5.5 out of ten range. Still just because it's not the worse movie ever doesn't mean that I can't hate it. I'm sorry but I just can't get over finally getting to see a Superman movie in theaters (the dollar theater BTW) and just seeing a more glum rehash to a film I didn't care for...I mean atleast the first one was more entertaining. Hell it's even more disappointing than Spider-Man 3 in my eyes, because I already had two movies that I loved and SM3 still has a handfull of great moments when all was said and done.

 

The original "Daredevil"? 'Cos I saw that once on video. It was OK. But not my type of film.

Angeloz

 

It wasn't as bad as 3 and 4, but I apreciated the thought that went behind 4 better than SR. 4 was the product of a film that cost 40 million, was given 40 million to make it, and was made for 8 million. The producers took the money they were given by the WB to make 4 and took most of it and paid off their debts, and also made a few other movies as well. Fact is, the idea behind 4, and with a better director, could have been kick ass. As the writer said on the commentary, they were expecting nuclear man to be a guy who was a bad ass biker type. What they got was Mark Pillow in an orange and black goofy suit to sell toys. Superman 4 had a good premise, and I really wish that Tom Mankiewecz (spelling) had written and directed it. I think we would have had a much better pic, and I think he would have stopped golan and globus from doing what they did.

Now, had Superman 4 had the money, effects technology, and manpower and studio backing that SR had, with a decent director, I think we would be looking at it very differently right now.

 

I don't reall get people who feel the need to constantly bash a movie they saw once, over a year ago. if you have something new to add, say your peice but why are people still saying the same **** after a year. Especially when they're complaints are

"I hated Superman returns because it retread old terrority, it didn't go anaywhere new and Superman has never had kid!!!!!"

 

in my mind, yes it was that bad... I can still watch Superman IV with all it's cheesiness and bad story, but I have not yet picked up my SR dvd and watched it since I first watched it when I first got it

 

There are things money can't buy. Like a life.

 

hey, if you don't like it, don't read it... no one's forcing you to read the complaints.

 

It was pretty bad. Whether it was *as* bad as any other movie really doesn't matter, in my opinion. Everyone has different reasons for either liking it, hating it or feeling ambivalent about it. Personally, there were several things I didn't like; some very poor casting, a boring Lois and Chief, terrible script, boring Lex with stupid storyline, not nearly enough Clark, too many questions left unanswered, dumb overall plot, and not nearly enough SUPER for Superman (too much lifting of stuff, not enough kicking ass.) Routh however, was great. But considering there were so many things I didn't like, it's hard for me to find much left that is salvageable.

 

That's why I don't anymore but lol at the "If you don't like it" comment being used to defend people bashing a movie they saw once 15 months ago.

 

No, I've seen it plenty of times. SR is unwatchable for me. I want to see SUperman, not dead-beat dad man.

I can ignore the corny parts of SIV. The whole nuclear disarmament thing is probably one of the best concepts for any Superman film. But in SR, dead-beat dad Superman is not only simply the WORST idea for a SUperman film, it is completely out of character for Superman.

 

Then why are people who liked it still discusssing it?

 

Because to focus for months in things that pleasure you big time is far more healthy and sane than to focus in things that bother you so much for months.

 

Considering the thread topic you shouldn't be surprised people are still complaining.