Iron Man Was this really Iron Man?

[nogap87]

I've never seen any previous Bale or RDJ movies before there respective superhero flicks, but IMO I think RDJ did the better job of bringing his character to life. Not once while I was watching IM did I think RDJ was just acting. Its like he WAS Tony Stark.

Bale was a good Bruce Wayne but every time he spoke as Batman I was completely taken out of the movie. I was expecting Kevin Conroy and I got Freddy Kruger.

 

[Tony Stark]

Let's hit it.
Films i watched of Bale before Begins

Empire of the Sun

American Psycho

Shaft (New Version)

Equilibrium

So, don't label me as a fanboy. Guys in the know flipped over their heads in excitment when they heard Bale was cast as Batman...guys in the know.

Look, RDJ is a real nice guy and all but apart from Chaplin...what else he done? Clowning around in every movie. Guys just love him and will support him no matter what. There is a time for clowning around in Iron Man, and time for some serious stuff in Batman.

Yeah I guess doing Shakespear is really clownish. Away with you fanboy....

 

[Clark Kent]

I don't actually know how faithful the movie is to the comics because I've never read Iron Man, but the movie has drawn in a new fan.

I've never seen any previous Bale or RDJ movies before there respective superhero flicks

I've seen Empire of the Sun, Little Women, All the Little Animals, A Midsummer Night's Dream, American Psycho, Shaft, Laurel Canyon, Reign of Fire, and Equilibrium with Christian Bale, and Weird Science, Back to School, (possibly) Chances Are, Air America, Chaplin, (possibly) Only You, (possibly) Home for the Holidays, The Gingerbread Man, and In Dreams with Robert Downey Jr..

By possibly, I mean I know, or at least think, I've seen bits of it, but I can't remember if I've seen the whole movie.

 

[vindrow]

What gets me...if they had made Tony Stark a dark and brooding character you just know the first think out of bat fanatics mouths would have been: "See, they made him just like Bruce Wayne, they copied off of Batman."

 

[redlion2]

RDJ nails the part of Tony Stark imo, especially if you've read Ironman back in the early days. Whether RDJ drew from his own personal experiences or not to bring this comic character to life is irrelevant,as long as he got it right is the most important thing. IMO, RDJ gave the single greatest performance as the character lead in a superhero movie, even more so than Bale as Bruce Wayne.

I think 8blades isn't able to understand the concept, that a film can be both fun and SERIOUS at the same time, which is what IM was. IM was one of the few superhero films to actually touch upon real-world issues that are happening right now. US soldiers fighting and dying on foreign soil, terrorism, WMDs vs. the the social responsibility and conscience of corporations, contrasting with corporate greed that allows the excessive proliferation and manufacture of weapons simply for nothing more than profit. THAT'S SERIOUS. IM doesn't take place in a fantasy city called Gotham where everything happens within the containment of that sole environment. IM takes place with the background of actual events. That's serious. IM/Tony Stark took personal responsibility to take the weapons out of the "wrong" hands and wasn't afraid to cross lines or "pull the trigger" in order to do this. That's SERIOUS.

Sure, IM had some humorous moments but if you thought it had an "overall comedic" feel to it, then you weren't watching the same IM movie that I saw. And that's not even getting into all the scenes of torture Tony and Yen sen endured during captivity as well as all the boozing and womanizing before his epiphany.

But to each his own though. Oh yeah, I liked BB but it wasn't the holy grail of superhero films that some make it out to be either. Trust me, it had it's flaws too.

 

[Sentinel X]

batman begins had something missing too....an interesting plot...

Stark being light in this film probably is a reflection of his past non caring playboy manner.

There's a duality of stark and that he's incredibly driven when he wants to be and chilled when he doesn't. The alcohol thing will come later. As origin films go, it's one of the best ones but its layed the foundation for the character to be come fan-complete in the sequels.

i thought BBs plot was more interesting than Iron Man's. And all around its the better film but Iron man is clearly the funner film(yeah, funner...got a problem?). And I think its a more profitable franchise.
I liked the tone of the movie and I think that th director will make it darker in the sequels. In the beginning of the film the tone is very light (ala spider-man or FF) than as the film progresses it gets darker (Seriously, Iron Man was brutal...he surely killed a good handful of the bad guys.)

 

[X Knight]

great post, redlion2.

although to be fair to BB, BB also portrayed the hero facing terrorrists. This time......terrorrists unleashing a chemical/biological WMD on American soil.....

 

[Clark Kent]

he surely killed a good handful of the bad guys.)

That was the only flaw in the movie, IMO. I don't think that any hero, apart from Wolverine and the Punisher, should be allowed to kill in either the comics or the movies.

 

[Sentinel X]

^^I think that was awesome.
Iron man is basically a soldier. In war soldiers kill. Do you honestly think that if Iron man just knocked them out that they'd suddenly come to their senses and say "NO! I can no longer harm innocent people!I will stop being a terrorist now because Iron man beat me up!"....no, it doesn't work that way. So I thought it was sweet.

 

[Docker2.0]

What did you want? A boring guy who is supposed to be a woman magnet but never displays any charisma? Just sits around talking about technical advances and business figures?

It sounds like you never read an Iron Man comic in your life.


And you say Batman Begins was so faithful? Rachel Dawes? Ra's Al Ghul trains him to be a ninja? Bruce takes a gun to court? Faust instead of Zorro? Microwave Machine that doesn't kill people? Tumbler? Chill's day in court?

You have an agenda my friend. Bash Iron Man for the sake of Batman.

Exactly! Do you know how many threads are made up trying to compare BB to IM. The movies are TOTALLY different. Some Batfans I can tolerate but most go over the top with the constant bashing of other superhero films for no necessary reason at all. People don't realize that if any of these movies bomb it is goign to be worse for DC than it will be for Marvel. WB is clearly reluctant to do any movie outside of Superman or Batman. While Marvel is a comic studio and they clearly show no fear of making movies out of theirs. If Hulk bombs, I'd worry more about a GL or Flash movie before I'd worry about a Cap or Thor movie.
And for the argument at hand, IM was great and so was BB. They are just 2 entirely different franchises that are great at what they do.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

RDJ nails the part of Tony Stark imo, especially if you've read Ironman back in the early days. Whether RDJ drew from his own personal experiences or not to bring this comic character to life is irrelevant,as long as he got it right is the most important thing. IMO, RDJ gave the single greatest performance as the character lead in a superhero movie, even more so than Bale as Bruce Wayne.

I think 8blades isn't able to understand the concept, that a film can be both fun and SERIOUS at the same time, which is what IM was. IM was one of the few superhero films to actually touch upon real-world issues that are happening right now. US soldiers fighting and dying on foreign soil, terrorism, WMDs vs. the the social responsibility and conscience of corporations, contrasting with corporate greed that allows the excessive proliferation and manufacture of weapons simply for nothing more than profit. THAT'S SERIOUS. IM doesn't take place in a fantasy city called Gotham where everything happens within the containment of that sole environment. IM takes place with the background of actual events. That's serious. IM/Tony Stark took personal responsibility to take the weapons out of the "wrong" hands and wasn't afraid to cross lines or "pull the trigger" in order to do this. That's SERIOUS.

Sure, IM had some humorous moments but if you thought it had an "overall comedic" feel to it, then you weren't watching the same IM movie that I saw. And that's not even getting into all the scenes of torture Tony and Yen sen endured during captivity as well as all the boozing and womanizing before his epiphany.

But to each his own though. Oh yeah, I liked BB but it wasn't the holy grail of superhero films that some make it out to be either. Trust me, it had it's flaws too.

Well said.

 

[Docker2.0]

Well said.

What about my post!

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

What about my post!

Well said too!

 

[Docker2.0]

Well said too!

Noone can say they had a great post unless CaptainStacy gives it the thumbs up.

 

[Clark Kent]

Do you honestly think that if Iron man just knocked them out that they'd suddenly come to their senses and say "NO! I can no longer harm innocent people!I will stop being a terrorist now because Iron man beat me up!"

No, of course I don't think that. I just think that, as this is a fantasy, the screenplay should be written to avoid any situation in which the hero is forced to kill.

 

[Raiden]

No, of course I don't think that. I just think that, as this is a fantasy, the screenplay should be written to avoid any situation in which the hero is forced to kill.

This isn't Gotham City, where Batman can just tie up the criminals and expect the police to arrive to lock them up. There are no police where the terrorists destroy lives and villages.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I've never seen any previous Bale or RDJ movies before there respective superhero flicks, but IMO I think RDJ did the better job of bringing his character to life. Not once while I was watching IM did I think RDJ was just acting. Its like he WAS Tony Stark.

Bale was a good Bruce Wayne but every time he spoke as Batman I was completely taken out of the movie. I was expecting Kevin Conroy and I got Freddy Kruger.

lol, his Batman voice was terrible and inconsistent.

 

[Clark Kent]

This isn't Gotham City, where Batman can just tie up the criminals and expect the police to arrive to lock them up. There are no police where the terrorists destroy lives and villages.

You're not reading what I'm saying. I'm saying that the screenplay should be written to avoid any situation in which the hero would be forced to kill.

 

[Raiden]

You're not reading what I'm saying. I'm saying that the screenplay should be written to avoid any situation in which the hero would be forced to kill.

There are some superheroes who will not kill under any circumstances, like Batman and Superman. Iron Man isn't one of them. So I don't see why IM has to be written the same way as other superheroes.

 

[Clark Kent]

There are some superheroes who will not kill under any circumstances, like Batman and Superman. Iron Man isn't one of them. So I don't see why IM has to be written the same way as other superheroes.

Has Iron Man killed in the comics?

 

[Tony Stark]

You're not reading what I'm saying. I'm saying that the screenplay should be written to avoid any situation in which the hero would be forced to kill.

I totally disagree. There's a difference between killing to be vengeful, and killing to protect others. Ask any soldier or poliece officer, and those guys are real heroes.

 

[Figs]

Has Iron Man killed in the comics?

Yes.

He's not like Punisher or even Wolverine for that matter but from time to time he does kill here and there if there's no other way.

He tries not to kill but sometimes it happens. So him killing those guys from the 10 Rings in that village didn't bother me at all.

 

[Franklin Richards]

There was a big stink in Avengers when Iron Man wanted to kill Molecule Man and Captain America didn't. Good stuff.

Then again later when Reed wanted to save Galactus from death. Iron Man again didn't want any of that.

And then again in the Kree / Skrull War. Cap and Iron Man just about hated each other for their differences in that time period.

 

[Sardaukar]

I like this scene...

 

[StanLee Wannabe]

Either the original poster was intentionally trolling or he was part of what eventually happens with anything successful - backlash. There will always be an instinct to question something that succeeds. And that's a great human trait - it's helped move us forward. But honestly anyone who thinks this wasn't the real IM is crazy.