WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

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I doubt he'd be eager to confirm a negative, though.

Why? If someone asks him if the next project has something to do with Superman, and it just so happens it doesn't, what's the harm in saying it doesn't? I thought Singer no longer had any interest in continuing his Superman film franchise anyway?
 
Why? If someone asks him if the next project has something to do with Superman, and it just so happens it doesn't, what's the harm in saying it doesn't? I thought Singer no longer had any interest in continuing his Superman film franchise anyway?

What's the harm in saying it does, like everyone else who has an upcoming film does? I don't think he's lost interest, but he's probably pretty fed up with all the scrutiny and fallout over SR's costs/take, etc.....hence not wanting to go into it and invite further questioning.
 
What's the harm in saying it does, like everyone else who has an upcoming film does? I don't think he's lost interest, but he's probably pretty fed up with all the scrutiny and fallout over SR's costs/take, etc.....hence not wanting to go into it and invite further questioning.

No, I'm pretty sure someone in the know around here (Maybe Jamie? Not sure) said a while back that the studio approached him about possibly doing a sequel after they realized how difficult it would be to reboot and he turned them down. Besides, he's going to invite those same questions anyway because he didn't say it wasn't a Superman project when he had the chance.
 
As much as I would love Singer to come back, anyone thinking he is going to direct the next Superman is crazy.
 
No, I'm pretty sure someone in the know around here (Maybe Jamie? Not sure) said a while back that the studio approached him about possibly doing a sequel after they realized how difficult it would be to reboot and he turned them down. Besides, he's going to invite those same questions anyway because he didn't say it wasn't a Superman project when he had the chance.
So.....he turned down their offer for a sequel....after he had repeatedly expressed his interest in doing one before? And now he's possibly doing one again??? Alrighty. And the questions I'm talking about are things like 'what went wrong', etc....like he was already answering (in regards to $$) after the film played in theaters. But believe what you want. It makes a lot more sense to deflect questions about what you aren't doing than what you are.
 
Still no news about Superman film?!

Gosh, Warner Bros and Robinov are both absolutely pathetic.
 
What's the rush?
funny very funny :hehe:

you can not expect from superman fans to be calm. they have to whait on a sueprman movie. while they are waiting, comicbook movies are realesed and they are getting sequels......
some movies that were even realesed after SR

IM,TF,..... :woot:
 
funny very funny :hehe:

you can not expect from superman fans to be calm. they have to whait on a sueprman movie. while they are waiting, comicbook movies are realesed and they are getting sequels......
some movies that were even realesed after SR

IM,TF,..... :woot:

Right, so they'll have to wait their turn any way you look at it. But not making the comic fans wait is not incentive for WB to hurry development on a Superman movie any more than they feel necessary. I understand the envy and shot to fanpride to some extent, but the fans have to accept that it's not what it's really about to the people who actually get these movies made....nor should it be really. They don't like it, obviously, but there it is. Daredevil fans have waited even longer....and may never get another one. So it's not like there's some great injustice being done towards Superman or his fans, it's just that others are doing better right now...kudos to them. Supes will get another shot at things...it'll just take more time.
 
Right, so they'll have to wait their turn any way you look at it. But not making the comic fans wait is not incentive for WB to hurry development on a Superman movie any more than they feel necessary. I understand the envy and shot to fanpride to some extent, but the fans have to accept that it's not what it's really about to the people who actually get these movies made....nor should it be really. They don't like it, obviously, but there it is. Daredevil fans have waited even longer....and may never get another one. So it's not like there's some great injustice being done towards Superman or his fans, it's just that others are doing better right now...kudos to them. Supes will get another shot at things...it'll just take more time.
i understand. but its a forum. we ahve to talk about something .
 
The superhero movie fad could disappear by the time WB gets its act together. :csad:

Firstly, that would mean that no-one would be putting out a superhero movie, so Supes wouldn't be the only one. Secondly, it's not really THEIR act that motivated this non-development. Not that it's a punishment, but really...if something as expensive as SR didn't make them happy for whatever reason, then things are dropped rather than throwing more money at it right way and trying to 'fix' it. Better to put it towards what's hotter or more attractive these days. Of course, some of them still haven't done great, but that doesn't mean that they'll change their mind about continuing SR...especially now that they've actually lost some more on other things.

As harsh as it may sound, nobody's owed a movie based on how avid of a fan you are of that character. The movies aren't there to address (or uphold) that fandom as much as to appeal to as many people as possible and make as much money as possible. And to be honest, if in a few years there's still no Superman movie out, but both Batman 3 and GL are doing really well....that's fine with them and most moviegoers. There's really nothing inherently wrong about NOT having a Superman (or any character) movie in theaters if others are doing just fine. Obviously, the avid fans will feel left out, but again, that's not the real concern. So as far as WB stands, and people who aren't avid Supes fans, they don't have to particularly 'get their act together' on a Supes movie, because there's no real need or quota to keep up with that they can't meet with something else that hasn't already taxed them as much.

i understand. but its a forum. we ahve to talk about something .
Oh believe me, I understand and sympathize too. But I just don't feel that blaming anything else aside from the movie itself is healthy or helpful....not that I should judge how people cope or make themselves feel better. But WB really isn't to blame. They put more money into it than they ever did for anything before, put their complete trust in a competent filmmaker, got it the most desirable opening weekend date (POTC picked theirs afterwards)...it had every opportunity it needed to be a smash hit....but it didn't deliver. So they decided to concentrate elsewhere afterwards. Who wouldn't in their position, regardless of who it was about?
 
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Secondly, it's not really THEIR act that motivated this non-development.

But WB really isn't to blame. They put more money into it than they ever did for anything before, put their complete trust in a competent filmmaker,

:huh:

Ummm...

How can you say that WB really isn't to blame and it wasn't really their act that motivated non-developmen? They green lit and funded the film and the idea. There is no way they can't be blamed. WB knew what was going on every step of the way with this film. They certainly share a good chunk of the blame for its failure along with Singer.

For some reason some of you forget that this is the studio that went forward with Catwoman and Batman and Robin. Sure they nailed the resurrection of Batman this time around, but really? No blame? Wow.
 
:huh:

Ummm...

How can you say that WB really isn't to blame and it wasn't really their act that motivated non-developmen? They green lit and funded the film and the idea. There is no way they can't be blamed. WB knew what was going on every step of the way with this film. They certainly share a good chunk of the blame for its failure along with Singer.
And Singer came to them with his idea....so you can blame him for that first....and so on, you could keep going back as far as you want. But the current non-development is their decision, a decision motivated by SR's performance, and a wise one given the circumstances. That's why the blame for that decision comes from the results that motivated it. But people are blaming them for the decision, and not the results that influenced it....which as you pointed out, they share blame for.

For some reason some of you forget that this is the studio that went forward with Catwoman and Batman and Robin.
They're also the same studio that chose who they felt was a competent director, in Nolan, to make his proposed vision of Batman...just like they chose Singer for Superman. One turned out better, the other didn't....so they acted accordingly afterwards.

Sure they nailed the resurrection of Batman this time around, but really? No blame? Wow.
Again, you're not looking at how it applies to this situation. People are blaming WB for not getting another Superman movie going, for that decision. Now of course they take responsibility for choosing Singer/SR et al...that's obvious. But...given the results of that choice, is WB obliged to 'make up' for that now by putting out another movie quickly? Considering how SR did, do they not have good reason for not rushing into another one? How would their shareholders feel about putting yet another $200M+ into another Superman movie right after SR...can you 'blame' them for feeling that way? THIS decision to not get another one out is what THIS BLAME is about, and one they don't deserve. Many of the people here are blaming them for not putting out another Superman movie, but not blaming them for choosing SR and Singer to begin with....which IS worthy of blame. But that's not what this is particularly about. They didn't choose wisely then, but they are choosing wisely now by not extending that mistake.
 
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And Singer came to them with his idea....so you can blame him for that first....and so on, you could keep going back as far as you want. But the current non-development is their decision, a decision motivated by SR's performance, and a wise one given the circumstances. That's why the blame for that decision comes from the results that motivated it. But people are blaming them for the decision, and not the results that influenced it....which as you pointed out, they share blame for.

Superman is WB/DC, therefore they call the shots. If somebody comes to them with an idea it is their responsibility to shoot it down if it doesn't fit the spirit of the character. We don't know if the current non-development is their decision, or just indecision because they don't know what to do. If you feel people are not giving them enough credit you could be giving them way too much credit. It works both ways.

They're also the same studio that chose who they felt was a competent director, in Nolan, to make his proposed vision of Batman...just like they chose Singer for Superman. One turned out better, the other didn't....so they acted accordingly afterwards.

It worked out fantastic because of Dark Knight, Batman Begins wasn't as much of a slam dunk as some might lead us to believe. Revisionist history and the such.

Again, you're not looking at how it applies to this situation. People are blaming WB for not getting another Superman movie going, for that decision. Now of course they take responsibility for choosing Singer/SR et al...that's obvious. But...given the results of that choice, is WB obliged to 'make up' for that now by putting out another movie quickly? Considering how SR did, do they not have good reason for not rushing into another one? How would their shareholders feel about putting yet another $200M+ into another Superman movie right after SR...can you 'blame' them for feeling that way? THIS decision to not get another one out is what THIS BLAME is about, and one they don't deserve. Many of the people here are blaming them for not putting out another Superman movie, but not blaming them for choosing SR and Singer to begin with....which IS worthy of blame. But that's not what this is particularly about. They didn't choose wisely then, but they are choosing wisely now by not extending that mistake.

You really don't know if they are choosing wisely, they could have 5 rock solid scripts on their desk right now and just can't make a decision on which direction they want to go. It's not that I blame them, but there is no way you can say it is the right decision, just as you are claiming that you can't fault them for their decision. It is honestly the same difference.

All of the above being said, WB has been the #1 studio at the box office the last two years I believe, so they are doing something right. They are spotting with their DC properties, look at the development hell Superman went through for years.

The only way any of us can tell if they are making the right or wrong decision on Superman is when it releases sometime in the future.
 
Superman is WB/DC, therefore they call the shots. If somebody comes to them with an idea it is their responsibility to shoot it down if it doesn't fit the spirit of the character. We don't know if the current non-development is their decision, or just indecision because they don't know what to do.
Why would there be a pressing need to be so decisive about it right now, though? That's the real question. If there's no sequel, why do they have to expedite a reboot? Some Superman fans want at least A Superman movie because they don't want to feel left out, but what would be WB's incentive to have something in the works right now as opposed to a year from now? Superman's not some institution that they have to maintain popularity with in movies if they feel they can still do that with others.

If you feel people are not giving them enough credit you could be giving them way too much credit. It works both ways.
Nobody's giving them too much credit, certainly not me. But it's also not really appropriate to imply that they're being negligent either. Hence, not right to blame them for it.

It worked out fantastic because of Dark Knight, Batman Begins wasn't as much of a slam dunk as some might lead us to believe. Revisionist history and the such.
Of course it wasn't (even though it made a lot more on DVD). But something made that more worth continuing for them than SR, so to them it turned out with a better upside than SR....even though they chose to greenlight BB in much the same way as they chose to greelight SR. So you can 'blame' them equally for both...yet now that TDK was such a hit, you don't hear a lot of people blaming them for BB still.

With SR not having a sequel right now, and apparently no Superman movie on the immediate horizon, nothing is being hurt except some fans' pride....something that they're not really responsible for with these films when everything's said and done...even though you and I may sympathize with that. So just because some Supes fans are frustrated by the current state of events, it doesn't mean they 'don't have their act together'. That's not how this act is specifically gauged.

If you blame someone for getting hired over you and taking the job away from you, your job is not their concern, nor should it be....nor would you accept blame for getting hired over someone else. But if, say, a policeman doesn't come to the aid of a citizen when notified...they are to blame because that is their concern and their job. The kind of blame that people are associating here is more like the former than the latter.

You really don't know if they are choosing wisely, they could have 5 rock solid scripts on their desk right now and just can't make a decision on which direction they want to go. It's not that I blame them, but there is no way you can say it is the right decision, just as you are claiming that you can't fault them for their decision. It is honestly the same difference.
That's was my point though....I'm not assuming that everything's peachy or what have you, or giving them a lot of credit. But as you said, and I said, you can't blame them either. And people's blame is based on their assumption that there SHOULD be a Superman movie out right now...an assumption based only on their own fan frustration and envy...not demand or popularity, or extreme success. So no, I'm not singing their praises...but at least I'm not blaming them for something they don't deserve to be blamed for, which IS what I was pointing out. It seems you agree with that.

All of the above being said, WB has been the #1 studio at the box office the last two years I believe, so they are doing something right. They are spotting with their DC properties, look at the development hell Superman went through for years.

The only way any of us can tell if they are making the right or wrong decision on Superman is when it releases sometime in the future.
Right, so don't blame them for something that isn't there.
 
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Firstly, that would mean that no-one would be putting out a superhero movie, so Supes wouldn't be the only one.

That wouldn't comfort me at all.

Secondly, it's not really THEIR act that motivated this non-development. Not that it's a punishment, but really...if something as expensive as SR didn't make them happy for whatever reason, then things are dropped rather than throwing more money at it right way and trying to 'fix' it. Better to put it towards what's hotter or more attractive these days. Of course, some of them still haven't done great, but that doesn't mean that they'll change their mind about continuing SR...especially now that they've actually lost some more on other things.

As harsh as it may sound, nobody's owed a movie based on how avid of a fan you are of that character. The movies aren't there to address (or uphold) that fandom as much as to appeal to as many people as possible and make as much money as possible. And to be honest, if in a few years there's still no Superman movie out, but both Batman 3 and GL are doing really well....that's fine with them and most moviegoers. There's really nothing inherently wrong about NOT having a Superman (or any character) movie in theaters if others are doing just fine. Obviously, the avid fans will feel left out, but again, that's not the real concern. So as far as WB stands, and people who aren't avid Supes fans, they don't have to particularly 'get their act together' on a Supes movie, because there's no real need or quota to keep up with that they can't meet with something else that hasn't already taxed them as much.

This may be true...but that doesn't mean we have to like it. :cmad:
 
W.B. deserves blame, however, you can bet there execs who honestly didnt give 2 ****s about whatever Singer wanted to do; after the mess that was Superman 5 from 1997-2004, hearing "The guy who made xmen 1 n 2 and usual suspects WANTS Superman" was all it took.
 
That wouldn't comfort me at all.



This may be true...but that doesn't mean we have to like it. :cmad:

Never said you have to like it, and I totally understand why people don't. But hopefully it's a little more comforting to know that Supes and his fans aren't being treated unfairly...it's just how things turned out, and hopefully the next go-round will go better.
 
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W.B. deserves blame, however, you can bet there execs who honestly didnt give 2 ****s about whatever Singer wanted to do; after the mess that was Superman 5 from 1997-2004, hearing "The guy who made xmen 1 n 2 and usual suspects WANTS Superman" was all it took.
Right, and the guy who did Memento and Insomnia wanted Batman, and that's all that took too. How did that end up being a better movie, getting more critical acclaim, and making so much more on DVD for less investment...when WB didn't choose or treat it any differently than they did with SR? WB is responsible for choosing the wrong guy/direction with Supes, and the right one with Bats.
 
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