I won't argue that SUPERMAN RETURNS was very much Bryan Singer's movie, based very much on where he would like to see the character go. But it just really cannot be argued that he did not include most, if not all, of the truly classic and unique elements of the basic Superman mythology, and he also made the movie a nod to the Donner film, which back then, fans were clamoring for. NOW fans aren't pleased with that approach, but back then they were screaming for it.
he was previous. but now he returns to be the hero to save the day. i believe there will be scenes we see him saving the people and the children from the danger. can't wait.
Trust me on this. The Hulk is not portrayed as a hero until the end of the movie. He's being hunted through the entire thing. He's still supposed to be scary. Even Banner is scared of him. And The Hulk is supposed to be, at it's best portrayals, a scary concept. The idea that a man can lose control like that is frightening.
btw, i'm tired of replying to your's previous comments, as we will never gonna be agree to each other regarding how bad/good SR is.
Ok...then don't reply to them. Quit wasting my time with "I'm not going to respond to you anymore" posts.
Foreign box office means something simply because Batman Begins ($150m of budget ) without its "poor" $166m made overseas would haven't been profitable.
This fact proves another time that, despite the hate of some fans, SR sold more tickets than BB.
Does it means anything?
IMO it means that with a limited budget and more action this franchise has a bright future. No reboot is needed.
Good point. A reboot may not be needed, but it seems to be wanted. Although there's no reason MAN OF STEEL has to stick to the Donnerverse.
SR was dull, quirky, sad and depressing...unlike BB, which was intense, thrilling, engaging, and exciting.
I think it was a bit sobering and serious, and that's what turned some people off it as a blockbuster. But "dull"? Maybe if you dislike certain kinds of drama...
Problem was, there was no visible emotional struggle with Superman to turn this into a true gut wrenching moment.
What in God's name are you talking about? He's sitting there writhing and screaming and struggling to break free, and struggling to keep going.
What did you freaking want?
And your structural complaints are absurd. The movie didn't just SPRING Luthor's revenge on Superman during the New Krypton sequence. It built this angle, via Luthor stealing and usurping Superman's technology, kidnapping his friends, and then threatening his city. And Superman's emotions built as well.
You saying that the movie didn't build up to this just doesn't make that the case. It was clearly structured and built to this point.
The beating of Superman in SR is Very hardcore gut wrenching, IMO. I just couldn't believe it when I first saw it in theaters. Very well done and effective. I really felt for Superman. Lex became a monster right there.
Agreed. I cannot for the life of me see how someone could not consider this an emotional scene. I'm curious to what he does consider an emotion scene.
Here's were the bad casting really came out, how believeable was it that Kevin Spacey was kicking anyones ass. Yes it was violent but even without powers he should be able to beat him up. Macaulay Culkin looks a hard man next to this Lex.
It was mostly Lex's henchman who beat Superman up, which is as it should be. Lex using others to do his dirty work until he's ready to deliver the killing blow. Lex delivered the final "blow", so to speak. Which again, is as it should be.
I agree I really like that scene it's hard to watch but IMO it's a good scene, one thing I felt Singer did well was show Lex's jealousy and hate towards
Superman.
Absolutely. Wasn't developed REAL well, but it was there.
Felt as in "ow that hurts" or "man, all hope is lost for him".
I think more felt the first than the later, there is a big difference.
You've got to be kidding me. The man was beaten within an inch of his life, stabbed with Kryptonite, which was then broken off inside him, and fell off a cliff into the water, where he was clearly as good as dead. And it's ow, that
hurts?"
I think some of the bias against this movie is seeping into the logic center of people's brains, because some of the assessments of these scenes are just becoming ridiculous.
Not once did I feel any emotion for Superman, they just gave him none. There was NO struggle with him at all besides that moment.
I'm just baffled at how you can come away from the movie with that mindset. Are you talking about Superman's emotional struggle BEFORE the scene? What kind of emotional struggle in regard to "Lex has taken my technology" should he have, in that case?
True, and the only references he picked was Donner's movies
Patently untrue. The suit itself bears little resemblance to Donner's movie, and more to both the classic design and Fleischer's Superman. There are obvious references to the comic books, both early, classic and modern. The story itself was clearly inspired by WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW or RETURN TO KRYPTON stories, and you can see bits of THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN in the film. Add to that all the comic book references, Superman soaking up the sun, Bibbo, etc.
How the hell can Kal-El get stab with Kryptonite, broken off inside him for crying out loud, a very large chunk at that and he does not even die. WTF?
The same way he doesn't always die right away when poisoned with Kryptonite in the comics, cartoon or SMALLVILLE. Because Kryptonite doesn't have any definitive "time of death" to it. What, do you want the hero to die?
Just a particle of kryptonite can seriously do damage to Big Blue. Yet, he's not even poisoned by the radiation of the Kryptonite inserted inside him.
it just me, or did that scene look like man on man action? Wen stabbing little boy blue, Lex looked like he was giving Singerman a back shot, broke back style, more like a rape scene IMHO
It's definitely just you. And some scary, scary issues.
The beating of Superman, not from Lobo, not from "Me am SUPERMAN" Bizzaro, not from Mongul, not from Lord Darkseid but Lex, not even Ironman enhanced Lex, just plain old Lex, 
are you F'en kidding me? 
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! Let us look at it through the eyes of the director.
Actually I know, would have been better if Aquaman have had saved him instead. 
