WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[SuperDaniel]

They should fire Singer and reboot Superman.

 

[nintendo nerd]

They should fire Singer and reboot Superman.

That's a new one.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Who cares? It is the right thing to do, IMO.

 

[superbaby]

They should fire Singer and reboot Superman.

and if you were WB, do you wanna reboot superman or invest into new franchise, like wonderwoman, flash or acuaman? which risk you wanna take? which is safer and can generate more income?

 

[superbaby]

The difference is that Nolan used the Batman stories from the comics and with Goyer, crafted and amazing movie faithfull to the character. Singer and his two sidekicks, used the George Reeves serials, The Richard Donner movie and some concepts from the comics and created a ****ty movie that is an embarassment to Superman.

they said that it would be an timeless epic movie. maybe 20 years down the line, the public would freaking love it as the people would have terrible moral then.

 

[The Guard]

Nolan is on record stating what storylines influenced BB. Can you lead me to a quote where Singer specifically cites "WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW, SUPERMAN: EXHILE, and any of the RETURN TO KRYPTON stories, as well as THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN" as having informed SR?

So he cites some storylines, and some of the moments in BEGINS have a very small resembance to those storylines. His "influence" seems to consist of "I stole a couple of sequences from this story or that story and put them into my movie. I don't find that particularly clever. Nor do I find just taking the pre-existing origin ideas from the comics and adding a tank to it brilliant. What I do find clever is taking ideas that have been a part of the Superman mythos for years (Supermna's role on Earth, alienation, the nature of his relationships with people, his Kryptonian heritage), and creating something new. Whether the execution was perfect is debatable, but the creativity and boldness of it really isn't.

Why does Singer have to state particular storylines? Are the obvious nods not enough?

Do you all have to be told everything?

Boy, as much as I'd like to argue how "faithful" BATMAN BEGINS was...

 

[FlawlessVictory]

That's just it. His "influence" consists of "I stole a couple of sequences from this story or that story and put them into my movie. I don't find that particularly clever. What I do find clever is taking ideas that have been a part of the Superman mythos for years, and creating something new. Whether the execution was perfect is debatable, but the creativity and boldness of it really isn't.

Why does Singer have to state particular storylines? Are the obvious nods not enough?

Do you all have to be told everything?

Boy, as much as I'd like to argue how "faithful" BATMAN BEGINS was...

LOL. It would be nice to hear Singer discuss the movie and hear him, not "The Guard" who may be able to reference every Superman comic ever made, cite what storylines influenced him. You obviously can't provide a quote or direct me to one because he has in fact never brought up any of those stories.

And until I hear Singer referring to anything comic related, I have no reason to believe he looked there. His take on Superman does not convince me of that, that's for sure.

 

[stargazer]

The difference is that Nolan used the Batman stories from the comics and with Goyer, crafted and amazing movie faithfull to the character. Singer and his two sidekicks, used the George Reeves serials, The Richard Donner movie and some concepts from the comics and created a ****ty movie that is an embarassment to Superman.

And if BB is such an 'amazing' movie.......why didn't it make $$400, mil domestically in the BO... Even SR made more than BB WW. Hmmm, interesting, no? And don't come with the excuse that it was made to appeal to a few selected ones. I'm sure WB didn't have that in mind. It was supposed to be a tentpole, right? And a summer movie. I think that for the movie that it was, it did well, but if it was such an earth-shattering mindblowing movie, it should have done more $$, no? Or what..

 

[FlawlessVictory]

And if BB is such an 'amazing' movie.......why didn't it make $$400, mil domestically in the BO... Even SR made more than BB WW. Hmmm, interesting, no? And don't come with the excuse that it was made to appeal to a few selected ones. I'm sure WB didn't have that in mind. It was supposed to be a tentpole, right? And a summer movie. I think that for the movie that it was, it did well, but if it was such an earth-shattering mindblowing movie, it should have done more $$, no? Or what..

How's the sequel to your movie doing? Oh wait, it hasn't been greenlit yet.

 

[stargazer]

So he cites some storylines, and some of the moments in BEGINS have a very small resembance to those storylines. His "influence" seems to consist of "I stole a couple of sequences from this story or that story and put them into my movie. I don't find that particularly clever. Nor do I find just taking the pre-existing origin ideas from the comics and adding a tank to it brilliant. What I do find clever is taking ideas that have been a part of the Superman mythos for years (Supermna's role on Earth, alienation, the nature of his relationships with people, his Kryptonian heritage), and creating something new. Whether the execution was perfect is debatable, but the creativity and boldness of it really isn't.

Why does Singer have to state particular storylines? Are the obvious nods not enough?

Do you all have to be told everything?

Boy, as much as I'd like to argue how "faithful" BATMAN BEGINS was...

 

[stargazer]

How's the sequel to your movie doing? Oh wait, it hasn't been greenlit yet.

haha, funny. SR bigest problem was its production budget. Otherwise, the movie did well for what it was, a serious, mature, and character-driven film. We'll see what happens.

 

[stargazer]

Knowing that Guillermo Del Toro will be directing the Hobbit makes it an automatic must watch for me.

Mine too.

 

[stargazer]

Honestly I don't think that most people hated Superman Returns, I just think that it underwhelmed most people. Superman comes back after all this time and with new technologies and all we get is, no matter if you love the movie or not, a rehashed plot from the first movie with no Superfights included? Sorry but although I like mySuperhero films to be fairly smart and have good story (none of which SR had IMHO) I also like to see my hero punching things inbetween saving folk.

And I disagree.

I see so many interesting and beautiful things in SR. I just don't see things the way you do. And I love STM too, and Superman didn't throw a single punch, and I still enjoyed it because of the epic storyline, acting, direction, score, imagery. Besides, the essense of Superman is not about fighting supervillains. It's about saving and protecting the people of Earth. Do I want to see Superman in a fight? Yes, but it is not essential for me, as long as the story is engaging, as SR was/is for me.

You like the Spidey films, right? I think they are just ok, very kiddie/teen pleasing with very simple storylines, hence why I find them kinda boring and very predictable. They are just not my cup of tea.

 

[superbaby]

And I disagree.

I see so many interesting and beautiful things in SR. I just don't see things the way you do. And I love STM too, and Superman didn't throw a single punch, and I still enjoyed it because of the epic storyline, acting, direction, score, imagery. Besides, the essense of Superman is not about fighting supervillains. It's about saving and protecting the people of Earth. Do I want to see Superman in a fight? Yes, but it is not essential for me, as long as the story is engaging, as SR was/is for me.

You like the Spidey films, right? I think they are just ok, very kiddie/teen pleasing with very simple storylines, hence why I find them kinda boring and very predictable. They are just not my cup of tea.

isn't SR story as simple and predictable?
at least spidey films are very rewatchable.
btw, is superman just a muscleman without a brain?

 

[superbaby]

haha, funny. SR bigest problem was its production budget. Otherwise, the movie did well for what it was, a serious, mature, and character-driven film. We'll see what happens.

i thought lack of budget would be a problem. now too much budget is also a problem.
i don't recall anyone had said that the budget would be a problem to SR before it was released.

the biggest problem of SR is singer's wicked storyline.

 

[I Am The Knight]

How's the sequel to your movie doing? Oh wait, it hasn't been greenlit yet.

Singer apparently choosing to do Valkyrie before MOS doesn't helps to speed up the process...

 

[superbaby]

Singer apparently choosing to do Valkyrie before MOS doesn't helps to speed up the process...

i thought it was the other way round. the lack of interest by WB has left singer no choice but to move on to other projects.

 

[mojo-x]

And if BB is such an 'amazing' movie.......why didn't it make $$400, mil domestically in the BO... Even SR made more than BB WW. Hmmm, interesting, no? And don't come with the excuse that it was made to appeal to a few selected ones. I'm sure WB didn't have that in mind. It was supposed to be a tentpole, right? And a summer movie. I think that for the movie that it was, it did well, but if it was such an earth-shattering mindblowing movie, it should have done more $$, no? Or what..

BB was a reboot and the Batman franchise needed one after Batman and Robin, but I am sure your right and instead of making a reboot they should have made it a sequel to the 69 Batman and Robin movie, you know the one with Adam West. I am sure that would have appealed to today audience.

 

[superbaby]

BB was a reboot and the Batman franchise needed one after Batman and Robin, but I am sure your right and instead of making a reboot they should have made it a sequel to the 69 Batman and Robin movie, you know the one with Adam West. I am sure that would have appealed to today audience.

there was a batman and robin movie in 1969??? wow...
just one movie, no sequel?

 

[nintendo nerd]

isn't SR story as simple and predictable?
at least spidey films are very rewatchable.
btw, is superman just a muscleman without a brain?

That's just a matter of opinion. I've watched SR almost 20 times and I enjoy it like the first time. You can also have does complaints in Superman the movie and Superman II with all the mistakes he makes. Superman's personality was almost the same as the Superman of those movies. Although I didn't see a muscleman without a brain.

 

[VenomsMom]

Bringing up BB and its take at the BO is pointless and useless considering they have accomplished a feat that SR has not........a sequel.

 

[Showtime]

i thought it was the other way round. the lack of interest by WB has left singer no choice but to move on to other projects.

I don't really know if that is the case, since they signed him to a pay or play deal, which would have been completely idiotic if there was no interest.

 

[dark_b]

I don't really know if that is the case, since they signed him to a pay or play deal, which would have been completely idiotic if there was no interest.

the word idiot makes sense when it comes to WB and DC.

batman & robin
catwoman
Peters and hes take on superman
200 milions(superman) ,2006 (technology) and no supervillain
JL (actors,script)
.....

 

[Showtime]

No but what I am saying is, obviously they were planning on a sequel, or they just wouldn't have signed him at all.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Bringing up BB and its take at the BO is pointless and useless considering they have accomplished a feat that SR has not........a sequel.

Co signed.