WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[Nixon]

I think the implication is that the combination of a gay director and a female costume designer created a perfect storm of femininity from which even Superman couldn't escape.

It still erroneously presupposes that gay must equal feminine, and if not out and out homophobia that is still a bit of prejudice, but let's put that aside momentarily in the interests or avoiding a flame war.

What I'd like to know is, what exactly is so feminine about Superman's costume?

 

[El Payaso]

I think the implication is that the combination of a gay director and a female costume designer created a perfect storm of femininity from which even Superman couldn't escape.

It still erroneously presupposes that gay must equal feminine, and if not out and out homophobia that is still a bit of prejudice, but let's put that aside momentarily in the interests or avoiding a flame war.

What I'd like to know is, what exactly is so feminine about Superman's costume?

If you ask me, the red trunks but that comes with the character.

 

[dark_b]

Given the setup Singer has established how all of a sudden do you just deviate from that?

use the same actors and the same metropolis. find a way in 10 minutes to resolve the jason problem.
voila.

again lets not forget that GP doesnt f... care about the kid. they entertainmetn and action. general public wants a clark that will in the street fall on the grouund. and some hot chick in a mini skirt will because of the force fly in the airand then fall on clark. bad example. peopel want humor and action. they want cool shots and fights.

 

[VenomsMom]

I think the implication is that the combination of a gay director and a female costume designer created a perfect storm of femininity from which even Superman couldn't escape.

It still erroneously presupposes that gay must equal feminine, and if not out and out homophobia that is still a bit of prejudice, but let's put that aside momentarily in the interests or avoiding a flame war.

What I'd like to know is, what exactly is so feminine about Superman's costume?

Good question and one I cant answer. Some people seemed to have a problem with the color scheme and S on his chest. For me personally after watching this movie the costume was the absloute last thing on my mind.

 

[dark_b]

the red trunks in SR are IMO modern men underwear. they are not feminime.

when watching the trailers for IM i already knew that this movie can not bomb. i was not expecting it to be so good. and i also expected it to be more ''DUMB''. but it was not.

make an easie superman movie. let us have some fun.

 

[VenomsMom]

use the same actors and the same metropolis. find a way in 10 minutes to resolve the jason problem.
voila.

again lets not forget that GP doesnt f... care about the kid. they entertainmetn and action. general public wants a clark that will in the street fall on the grouund. and some hot chick in a mini skirt will because of the force fly in the airand then fall on clark. bad example. peopel want humor and action. they want cool shots and fights.

I understand what you are saying and I agree to an extent. I have no interests in the Jason angle and love triangle of Richard Lois and Supes but to try and resolve what has become a major part of this plot and theme in 10 minutes and move on as if these things are just casual problems seem to just further doom this francise and also puts singer in a position of admitting what the hell he introduced these things in the first place.

 

[Slugster]

I think Marvel does better with costume designs, because they have a say in what is happining. Not so much DC.
Having a very close gay family member, and being around his friends, you can see how I came to this conclusion. they are a great group of guys, and each one is different. one is more fem than the other and some are very manly too. they all have different qualities that make them who they are.
I really don't like the Batman costume esp. the new one. It looks to much like rubber, even though thats what it is. I liked the one from begins better.
I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm just giving (my) opinion.

 

[dark_b]

this is how superman needs to land in the sequel. more badass money shots.

 

[The Guard]

Yes Singer is Gay, and IMO I think it played a very important part in Superman's costume as well as having a woman costume designer collaboration. It was more feminine in design than previous costumes

How so?

Previous costumes were spandex. I'm not sure you can attach a "masculine" or "feminine" label to that, just based on the nature of it, but let's face it, Superman was wearing tights in the previous movies. How is the design or material for SUPERMAN RETURNS any more "feminine" than previous costumes?

It still erroneously presupposes that gay must equal feminine, and if not out and out homophobia that is still a bit of prejudice, but let's put that aside momentarily in the interests or avoiding a flame war.

Good point.

What I'd like to know is, what exactly is so feminine about Superman's costume?

As would I.

use the same actors and the same metropolis. find a way in 10 minutes to resolve the jason problem.

10 minutes?

again lets not forget that GP doesnt f... care about the kid.

What are you basing this on?

they entertainmetn and action. general public wants a clark that will in the street fall on the grouund. and some hot chick in a mini skirt will because of the force fly in the airand then fall on clark. bad example. peopel want humor and action. they want cool shots and fights.

And seats with beverage holders! But mainly action!

this is how superman needs to land in the sequel. more badass money shots.

Umm, there is a very similar scene on New Krypton in SUPERMAN RETURNS.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

this is how superman needs to land in the sequel. more badass money shots.

That is just pure badass! Nothing in SR comes close to the quality of this one shot.

 

[dark_b]

How so?

Previous costumes were spandex. I'm not sure you can attach a "masculine" or "feminine" label to that, just based on the nature of it, but let's face it, Superman was wearing tights in the previous movies. How is the design or material for SUPERMAN RETURNS any more "feminine" than previous costumes?



Good point.



As would I.



10 minutes?



What are you basing this on?



And seats with beverage holders! But mainly action!



Umm, there is a very similar scene on New Krypton in SUPERMAN RETURNS.

i know. and it didnt look bad. i just think this was a more superman landing.

 

[El Payaso]

this is how superman needs to land in the sequel. more badass money shots.

We certainly had no enough crouching Superman on SR. If we had more we for sure would have known more whether his ass was bad or not.

 

[The Guard]

i know. and it didnt look bad. i just think this was a more superman landing.

I can kind of see what you're getting at, but really, how is bending almost to the ground more of a Superman landing? In the comics he tends to just land and touch down, gracefully, unless he's really angry. He doesn't need to do an overdramatic "land and rise".

 

[Dark_Lord]

this is how superman needs to land in the sequel. more badass money shots.

I thought the NK landing was badass (not as badass as this), even though the CG wasnt that good. The scene was quick, but you could still notice it. But anyway...no. I don't think Superman needs to land badass like Iron Man did.

 

[dark_b]

ohhh i forgot. he is a boyscout. he needs to land more simple.

 

[Dark_Lord]

ohhh i forgot. he is a boyscout. he needs to land more simple.

No...that's just my opinion. I didn't mention him being a boyscour or anything, did I?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

As far as style is concerned I don't want Superman to be like Iron Man but I would like for it to be as good.

 

[solidsnake86]

Iron man is a completely different character and the fact that cgi for metal looks 100 times better than humans has to be taken into consideration. Even then the CGI in Iron Man wasn't flawless and I'm sure once the screen captures hit people will be dissecting it left and right.

 

[Nightwing1977]

What I'd like to know is, what exactly is so feminine about Superman's costume?

Wearing the trunk on the outside of his costume.

But seriously, I don't think it that feminie. In fact, I think they improve the trunk look in SR IMHO. The way Reeve & other wore in the past were a little too big, that it look like granny panties or someone crap in their Depend diapers. I prefer the speedo look.

As far as style is concerned I don't want Superman to be like Iron Man but I would like for it to be as good.

Who doesn't? I agree there neverless. Just use a good balance of better story with more action than ever. As long they don't go overboard with it.

 

[superbaby]

Originally Posted by dark_b View Post
somtimes i get teh feeling that bugs is everyday closer to the darkside.

come back buggs. i also have problems with the movie. f.... WB . its theri fault. look at iron man.

i think WB will ned to force the writters to find a story in the comics that is good enough for a summer blockbuster movie. they need to add some good story and character developmetn. plus add some good action and voila.
i dont know hoooooow but JON made a movie that comicbook fans and general people love.

there lies the problem. WB has no idea what is good for superman. they simply don't know. so where should WB go from here???
since robots are doing great, i guess WB might wanna give superman a robotic suit. they tried before.

 

[dark_b]

WB is one of the biggest studios. they have to know how to make a summer blockbuster that will make money. if they dont then they should close down.

 

[Showtime]

WB/DC hasn't handled some of their comicbook characters well on screen, but have hit home runs with others.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

At WB they have to do more sh movies using their best franchises.
'm happy that SpeedRacer is going to be a megabomb. Another example of wasted money. I have even some doubts about the Watchmen movie...if they are expecting great numbers at the box office they are totally mad.

 

[superbaby]

At WB they have to do more sh movies using their best franchises.
'm happy that SpeedRacer is going to be a megabomb. Another example of wasted money. I have even some doubts about the Watchmen movie...if they are expecting great numbers at the box office they are totally mad.

going to be? not happen yet? i'm telling you, WB are mad. they thought by simply using all these teenage idols, they would have a megahit summer block buster. luckily JL is in vain. if not we would get another huge eyesore.

i guess right now, WB has only harry potter to generate some profit for them. when the franchise comes to the end, they heve better to get on some really good plan.

 

[DavidTyler]

I don't disagree with you but I think part of the problem is that WB gets in the way. There's clearly a lot of red tape involved in getting Superman to the screen. That tape doesn't seem to stand in the way of most Marvel properties.

With the exception of STM and Keaton's first 2 Batman films, plus BB, has the WB really delivered much of anything?

Look at what Marvel has done in the last decade and compare that with what WB has done in two. Marvel is - without doubt - doing this better. Sure, FF and DD weren't good - but this move in-house for Marvel and the quality of Iron Man suggests moving forward, Marvel's films are likely going to be significantly better.

Not to mention the fact that one of Marvel's intentions for doing this is to keep the film's continuity tied to their books. Can you imagine that? What happens in the movies may actually affect the books -- there's a novel idea

I really liked Daredevil and so did my non-comics reading GF. I think a lot of you are translating your dislike for Ben Afleck into negativity for DD.

It's a very good movie. You should really give it a chance.

And, I personally liked Ben's performance in it ....and I'm not some kind of fan of his. I find, more often than not, his acting poor ... but not here.