WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[04nbod]

Warner will weigh their options, a payout or a potentially disappointing box office revenue. I think they will go for the movie but with a smaller budget than SR

 

[GreenKToo]

Maybe they'll go for a proven director. One that has a long, successful, track record with blockbusters. It's not my money, but if it were, thats what i'd do.

 

[04nbod]

I heard that Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison put in a pitch for a Superman movie following the reboot semi announcement. (it may have been lost in the Millar hoopla) I think that is a great place to start as you automatically have fan favourite plotters attached who have a great track record with the character and they are cheap because they don't have the hollywood resume. I'd then cast someone visibly different that Reeve and Routh, I'd choose Cavill with the benefit that he is not a big name so we can save more money there. It may be a risk but I'd put my money behind 'Superman' as the big name attached to the movie or splash out on a director who wants to do well by the character.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I agree that the writers need to be fan favorites. That goes for the director, also (Sing excluded).

I will disagree that the actor for Superman needs to be a relative unknown. That has been the case so far, but I think the film could use the fan power of a big name actor. Even those who aren't Superman fans would go and see it.

Here are the requirements for being a box office hit:

- Big name writers
- Big name director
- Big name actor in the lead role of Superman
- Trailers that flaunt amazing action sequences
- A wise release date, preferably during an otherwise lackluster summer for movies.

 

[GreenKToo]

I heard that Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison put in a pitch for a Superman movie following the reboot semi announcement. (it may have been lost in the Millar hoopla) I think that is a great place to start as you automatically have fan favourite plotters attached who have a great track record with the character and they are cheap because they don't have the hollywood resume. I'd then cast someone visibly different that Reeve and Routh, I'd choose Cavill with the benefit that he is not a big name so we can save more money there. It may be a risk but I'd put my money behind 'Superman' as the big name attached to the movie or splash out on a director who wants to do well by the character.

They would be great.

I agree that the writers need to be fan favorites. That goes for the director, also (Sing excluded).

I will disagree that the actor for Superman needs to be a relative unknown. That has been the case so far, but I think the film could use the fan power of a big name actor. Even those who aren't Superman fans would go and see it.

Here are the requirements for being a box office hit:

- Big name writers
- Big name director
- Big name actor in the lead role of Superman
- Trailers that flaunt amazing action sequences
- A wise release date, preferably during an otherwise lackluster summer for movies.

I think a big time director is a must. I also think the actor that plays Lex needs to be a huge name, a name like Depp, Hanks, Lewis, or willis.

As for Superman, I really have no preference on who plays him. As long as the guy ''looks'' the part and can act, i'm good with it. If the perfect actor for him happens to be a huge star, then great. I've never understood peoples arguement that they dont want a big star playing him because they would be thinking thats so and so up there, and not Superman.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

That comes down to the actor's ability. A good actor convinces you they are another person. You mentioned Depp. He's a great example. When I see him playing Captain Jack Sparrow, I see Captain Jack Sparrow, and when I see him as Willy Wonka, I see Willy Wonka. He becomes the characters he plays while in front of the camera.

 

[GreenKToo]

Depp would be great but doubtful. Still, you get my line of thinking on the kinda actors I mean. The kind of actor that would make their fans want to go and see them in a Superman film, even if they are not a fan of Superman himself. It will need to have the best chance possible of succeeding and a huge star can bring that.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Exactly. Let's face it. Many who bought tickets for TDK probably weren't Batman fans. Many were women who belonged to Heath Ledger's fanbase. Even if he hadn't died and boosted the box office numbers because of those curious to see his last performance, rest assured those numbers still would have been really high. I think the wisest decision would go for the actor whose a) highly talented b) extremely popular with the women. Depp falls under that category.

Yet, I'm skeptical he would want to be associated with a Superman film that didn't have Burton at the helm. He's very loyal and close with Burton, and likely knows all about the tragedy that befell Burton's vision for Superman.

 

[GreenKToo]

Exactly. Let's face it. Many who bought tickets for TDK probably weren't Batman fans. Many were women who belonged to Heath Ledger's fanbase. Even if he hadn't died and boosted the box office numbers because of those curious to see his last performance, rest assured those numbers still would have been really high. I think the wisest decision would go for the actor whose a) highly talented b) extremely popular with the women. Depp falls under that category.

Yet, I'm skeptical he would want to be associated with a Superman film that didn't have Burton at the helm. He's very loyal and close with Burton, and likely knows all about the tragedy that befell Burton's vision for Superman.

It will depend on who gets the directing job. The bigger and more successful the name, the more influence he would have. I'm not saying he could get Depp, but he should be able to get some bigtime names on board.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Yet, I'm skeptical he would want to be associated with a Superman film that didn't have Burton at the helm. He's very loyal and close with Burton, and likely knows all about the tragedy that befell Burton's vision for Superman.

For what it's worth, Depp was up for the role of Lex Luthor for the McG/Abrams Superman film.

 

[GreenKToo]

Depp was a pretty big star back then but nothing like he is now.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I heard that Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison put in a pitch for a Superman movie following the reboot semi announcement.

WB didn't like Morrison's idea from what I remember someone on here said. I guess they didn't like Johns' either.

 

[GreenKToo]

WB didn't like Morrison's idea from what I remember someone on here said. I guess they didn't like Johns' either.

Maybe its just me but it seems like WB has rejected alot of pitches that were based purely on the comics. Singer's writers pitched Doomsday or Darkseid and it got rejected as well.

 

[04nbod]

WB didn't like Morrison's idea from what I remember someone on here said. I guess they didn't like Johns' either.

I thought theirs was a joint pitch. Goes to show Warner though, they are a disaster. They have 2 named writers with massive fan support based on their previous work with the character and they weren't pleased. Same with the Wonder Woman script, got great reviews but 'it didn't set up the character in the right place' so they hire the writers who did that script and we never hear anything again. How can these people be so clueless?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Heh. No one's perfect. Johns' Superman isn't burning up the sales chart. And Morrison's All-Star Supes maybe not where they would see the character. There's only one way to make a good Batman film so it's just a matter of making a good script. Superman has a little bit more range(dark, fun, sci-fi, campy,etc) so I understand how it could be difficult.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I don't think they're clueless, I think they're paranoid. lol

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I heard that Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison put in a pitch for a Superman movie following the reboot semi announcement. (it may have been lost in the Millar hoopla)

It was actually around October/November 2007 area - i.e. after Dougherty & Harris were off but just before the WGA Strike started. The studio heard pitches for Return sequels, full-on reboots, requels, etc.

And they were all rejected - despite what Millar claimed at the time...

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I don't think they're clueless, I think they're paranoid. lol

That's more like it. Paralyzed from fear. That took a chance an it bit them in the ass.

 

[04nbod]

Heh. No one's perfect. Johns' Superman isn't burning up the sales chart. And Morrison's All-Star Supes maybe not where they would see the character. There's only one way to make a good Batman film so it's just a matter of making a good script. Superman has a little bit more range(dark, fun, sci-fi, campy,etc) so I understand how it could be difficult.

Superman never blazes up the sales charts but like Wonder Woman does very well in trades. The Superman grand plan is getting good reviews and word of mouth is hugely positive. Sure some people are annoyed the project isn't going as fast as they would like, it will be a year and a half before it comes to a conclusion following the Brainiac/New Krypton set up but I'll bet that in 2010 even more trades will sell as the impatient catch up. Fans are the front line of movie buzz and rep in the fan community like that could be valuble.

 

[Lighthouse]

I thought theirs was a joint pitch. Goes to show Warner though, they are a disaster. They have 2 named writers with massive fan support based on their previous work with the character and they weren't pleased. Same with the Wonder Woman script, got great reviews but 'it didn't set up the character in the right place' so they hire the writers who did that script and we never hear anything again. How can these people be so clueless?

Honestly, if I were a WB executive, I wouldn't give two ****s about "fan support".

 

[Dark Knight]

It was actually around October/November 2007 area - i.e. after Dougherty & Harris were off but just before the WGA Strike started. The studio heard pitches for Return sequels, full-on reboots, requels, etc.

And they were all rejected - despite what Millar claimed at the time...

That's interesting because I find it hard to believe that after the multiple amount of pitches for the next Supes film, that WB's didn't find one that had potential to be developed?

It doesn't take a genius to know what the next Superman film needs to be successful critically and financially.

I'm not a fan of the predictable dumbing down of filmmaking philosophy and style of Michael Bay but IMO, the next Superman film needs to be like the Transformers films when it comes to action and suspense, HOWEVER the next Supes film needs to have a story that has some substance and soul to it unlike the Transformer films.


I would have confidence if these guys were involved in the making of the next Supes film.

Director(s)- Gore Verbinski or JJ Abrams
Script- Orci, Kurtzman, and Abrams
Story- Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison

Special Effects- Industrial Light and Magic or WETA

 

[Superark]

It was actually around October/November 2007 area - i.e. after Dougherty & Harris were off but just before the WGA Strike started. The studio heard pitches for Return sequels, full-on reboots, requels, etc.

And they were all rejected - despite what Millar claimed at the time...

they all couldnt have been that bad. i don't see why wb is so indecisive. they're had to be one good pitch in there

 

[The Guard]

Has anyone read one of the submitted scripts? Every single leaked or spec Superman script I have ever read has as many problems or more than SUPERMAN RETURNS. Could there be a few that are good? Sure, but it seems odd to just assume that.

 

[Superark]

Has anyone read one of the submitted scripts? Every single leaked or spec Superman script I have ever read has as many problems or more than SUPERMAN RETURNS. Could there be a few that are good? Sure, but it seems odd to just assume that.

i want to read the sequel script singer and mcquarrie worked on or any of the singer scripts he was working on for the sequel.

 

[Dark Knight]

they all couldnt have been that bad. i don't see why wb is so indecisive. they're had to be one good pitch in there

I think more is going on behind the scenes than we know of or WB's is just afraid to pull the trigger on hiring screenwriters to write a certain Supes treatment that they may like.