Superman Returns We don't like how this movie is looking (merged)

hunter rider said:
Hard to go off reviews for this one,All 3 reviews from the UK loved it but with the religous issues you can bet some reviews will not be reviewing it as a movie
True. Although, the reviews I've seen mostly put it down for being overblown and overly dull. Which, sadly, isn't all that suprising to me as I've always found Ron Howard's direction a bit dull.
 
Matt said:
:rolleyes: this is why I don't want to post anything about the book, because the second I do, I'm just a hater so I can't be right.
well considering there's no such thing as "right" or "wrong" when it comes to opinions i won't blame you for it......BUT, as i stated before, i haven't read a positive statement about this film from you. every post i've come across from you lately has been ridiculously negative. i'm not saying you're wrong for doing it....but it's almost seems as if you WANT this movie to fail.

Matt said:
and the fact is, Superman isn't as popular with kids as he was 20 or even 10 years ago. Nowadays they want Japanese, anime crap.
once again...your opinion. yes, there's a huge fanbase amongst kids who like anime/manga but that doesn't mean they only have ONE interest. yes, a lot of kids might like Super Hyper Monkey Team Force, but that doesn't mean they can't like Superman either.
 
Cinemaman said:
People have big interest about it, that is why they and fans will go to see it. It will be next HP-4 without long legs.

But after 2nd week, POTC2 will loose legs and SR will continue its box office.

If only SR has good WOM, what is most likely.

A lot of people said people would have a big interest in MI 3 and Posideon and look what happened. This is the bottom line. The movies that seem to win big are those family type or animated films. Look at Ice Age. It's already grossed over 600 WW. POTC2 will be hot with the teens no doubt. But not enough for it to to gross over 300 million. This first film barely got there. And this film will have a hard time especially with Supes competing with it. People have already seen a Pirates movie a couple years ago. What about Superman. They haven't seen it in over 20 years!
 
Matt said:
From what I'm reading, this film will not attract teenagers in the least

WTF? Teenager will be excitin about it after new tv-spots and trailer.

They want huge summer blockbuster? They will get it.

Besides there is kid in the movie, what means SR also will get kids.

People will have interest about it, I am sure.

And you are hater, thats all. You just dont want SR to be #1.
 
DorkyFresh said:
well considering there's no such thing as "right" or "wrong" when it comes to opinions i won't blame you for it......BUT, as i stated before, i haven't read a positive statement about this film from you. every post i've come across from you lately has been ridiculously negative. i'm not saying you're wrong for doing it....but it's almost seems as if you WANT this movie to fail.


once again...your opinion. yes, there's a huge fanbase amongst kids who like anime/manga but that doesn't mean they only have ONE interest. yes, a lot of kids might like Super Hyper Monkey Team Force, but that doesn't mean they can't like Superman either.

To claim Superman is not as popular as he was ten or twenty years ago with children is not opinion, its fact.

Also, you want the movie to succeed so much, you are willing to overlook obvious flaws.
 
Matt said:
To claim Superman is not as popular as he was ten or twenty years ago with children is not opinion, its fact.

Also, you want the movie to succeed so much, you are willing to overlook obvious flaws.

:rolleyes:
 
Cinemaman said:
WTF? Teenager will be excitin about it after new tv-spots and trailer.

They want huge summer blockbuster? They will get it.

Not if other teenagers are bashing the hell out of it...and by the looks of things....its not your traditional summer blockbuster, to say the least.


Besides there is kid in the movie, what means SR also will get kids.

That doesn't make any sense.

People will have interest about it, I am sure.

And you are hater, thats all. You just dont want SR to be #1.

Your logic, as always, is flawless.
 
spideymusprime said:
A lot of people said people would have a big interest in MI 3 and Posideon and look what happened. This is the bottom line. The movies that seem to win big are those family type or animated films. Look at Ice Age. It's already grossed over 600 WW. POTC2 will be hot with the teens no doubt. But not enough for it to to gross over 300 million. This first film barely got there. And this film will have a hard time especially with Supes competing with it. People have already seen a Pirates movie a couple years ago. What about Superman. They haven't seen it in over 20 years!

Dont think people had interest to these movies.

Everyone know that Posseidon was going to bomb.

I also didn't expect high numbers from MI3. I think it will fianlly make $170-180m.
 
Matt said:
Not if other teenagers are bashing the hell out of it...and by the looks of things....its not your traditional summer blockbuster, to say the least.




That doesn't make any sense.



Your logic, as always, is flawless.

Really? That says hater? You numbers are dumb.
 
Matt said:
To claim Superman is not as popular as he was ten or twenty years ago with children is not opinion, its fact.

Also, you want the movie to succeed so much, you are willing to overlook obvious flaws.

A fact? I agree with you that Supes is not as popular with the kids right now as say Spider-Man or Batman. But I'm pretty sure that the kids will be interested in seeing this movie when it comes out.
 
CConn said:
True. Although, the reviews I've seen mostly put it down for being overblown and overly dull. Which, sadly, isn't all that suprising to me as I've always found Ron Howard's direction a bit dull.
While I agree that Howard is somewhat of a safe style director,they could be using those criticisms as cover for their religous,bias,not saying it's fact but with the controversy and tensions it wouldn't surprise me
 
I dont have a theater to go see the movie in anymore.

When the Supes trailer came on during M:i:3, they crowd booed and got so unruly at the sight of Superman, they went and burned the theater down, whilst shouting "death to Superman, the infidel!". It was even on CNN...honest...
 
Cinemaman said:
Dont think people had interest to these movies.

Everyone know that Posseidon was going to bomb.

I also didn't expect high numbers from MI3. I think it will fianlly make $170-180m.

You know about before MI3 opened people were predicting over 200 mil. with a 65-75 opening. You're right about Posideon. Quite a few expected it to bomb but a lot predicted 150-200 as well. Both these movies performed below expectations. I'm hearing a lot of people expecting high numbers for the DVC and Pirates. I think both these movies are being over estimated as well. Sure, there's interest in these movies but not enough to make them ubber blockbuster films. There's a reason why movies like Spider-Man, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings are ubber blockbusters. And there is no doubt in my mind that Superman join this group of blockbusters as well.
 
Matt said:
To claim Superman is not as popular as he was ten or twenty years ago with children is not opinion, its fact.
no.....that's opinion unless you can prove it. unless, for some reason, there was a world wide poll for Superfans then there's no way you can prove it....therefor, it's your opinion. show me some numbers THEN we'll start talking about if it's a fact or not...

Matt said:
Also, you want the movie to succeed so much, you are willing to overlook obvious flaws.
and what's wrong with wanting this movie to succeed? my childhood hero is coming back to the bigscreen....why should i tear it apart?

but that's besides the point. when i first saw the suit, heard about the kid, and saw Kitty Koslowski i started to seriously doubt the project. i was very worried that my childhood hero would come back as a corny, campy movie just like Fantastic Four was......but as time passed and i started seeing more things about the movie, started UNDERSTANDING the reasons why Singer went with the decisions he did i loosened up more and that's when i started liking what i've been seeing. the comic book geek in me could EASILY tear this film apart...but the kid inside of me is saying "shutup and just enjoy it because it's Superman". i'm choosing to enjoy this experience rather than sulk in it........but that doesn't mean i overlook obvious flaws. the reason WHY i'm liking what i'm seeing is BECAUSE i'm able to look at things from ALL angles and ALL perspectives.


oh...btw....flaws to you might be strengths to someone else, so no...i'm not overlooking obvious flaws since what YOU consider 'flaws' might not be flaws to me.
 
hunter rider said:
So there is no way SR can fall below expectations ?

There are 3 varients of what will happen, they are:

1) SR will make more than $300m, what is great.

2) SR will make less than $250m, what is bad.

3) SR will make more than $250m, what is good.
 
Cinemaman said:
There are 3 varients of what will happen, they are:

1) SR will make more than $300m, what is great.

2) SR will make less than $250m, what is bad.

3) SR will make more than $250m, what is good.

Thats not talking about the issues those are just numbers
 
The Incredible Hulk said:
I dont have a theater to go see the movie in anymore.

When the Supes trailer came on during M:i:3, they crowd booed and got so unruly at the sight of Superman, they went and burned the theater down, whilst shouting "death to Superman, the infidel!". It was even on CNN...honest...
c'mon man....don't give Matt false ammunition.
 
spideymusprime said:
You know about before MI3 opened people were predicting over 200 mil. with a 65-75 opening. You're right about Posideon. Quite a few expected it to bomb but a lot predicted 150-200 as well. Both these movies performed below expectations. I'm hearing a lot of people expecting high numbers for the DVC and Pirates. I think both these movies are being over estimated as well. Sure, there's interest in these movies but not enough to make them ubber blockbuster films. There's a reason why movies like Spider-Man, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings are ubber blockbusters. And there is no doubt in my mind that Superman join this group of blockbusters as well.

People are always WRONG!
 
Matt said:
Gross numbers for Finding Nemo:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0266543/business

Anything Pixar touches, turns to gold. Especially when for every kiddie you bring in, you have one or more adult ticket to sell as well.
I hate to admit this but I agree with Matt on this one...Pixar movies usually rake in the dough..and I think Cars looks good.
 
how can anyone think that DVC will do well when movies like MI3, X3, SMR, POTC2 are coming out around the same time? IMHO most people who will go see DVC are all over 35 years old. DVC will make all its money the first weekend after that its going down because X3 comes out the week after. Alot of people 35 years old and older will not go to the movies when they know school is out teens will be at the movies from 3-midnight and they don't want to deal with that...IMHO thx:)norm
 
The Incredible Hulk said:
I dont have a theater to go see the movie in anymore.

When the Supes trailer came on during M:i:3, they crowd booed and got so unruly at the sight of Superman, they went and burned the theater down, whilst shouting "death to Superman, the infidel!". It was even on CNN...honest...

Interesting....
 
echostation said:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...?coll=la-headlines-entnews&ctrack=1&cset=true

Who Will Rock the Summer Box Office?
We ask the titans of the Internet for their predictions on this summer's movies.
By Deborah Netburn, Times Staff Writer
May 4 2006

With "Mission: Impossible 3" opening this weekend, the summer blockbuster season is officially about to begin. We've never seen so many mega- films in one summer — "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest," Superman Returns," "Miami Vice," "The Da Vinci Code," "Snakes on a Plane," "Poseidon," — the list goes on and on. Franchises will be created, others will be laid to rest and in Hollywood careers will be made and broken.

To help us predict who will be victorious and who will not survive the carnage, we turn to the titans of the web — the feisty, opinionated, entertainment bloggers.

Walt Disney Pictures Gregory Ellwood
Hollywood Hitlist on MSN Movies

Biggest Hit: "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest"
Biggest Flop: "Pathfinder"
Biggest Sleeper: "My Super Ex-Girlfriend" and "The Devil Wears Prada" (tie)

Chris Thilk
Movie Marketing Madness

Biggest Hit: "The Da Vinci Code"
Considering the movie has three years worth of marketing behind it, Tom Hanks as a lead and all sorts of controversy around it this one seems like a no-brainer. Should be perfect for the mass market audience studios are looking for.

Biggest Flop: "X-Men: The Last Stand"
Is there any way Brett Ratner isn't going to run this movie — and franchise — into the ground? I'd honestly be surprised if this isn't so bad it kills all the spin-off movies being planned.

Melinda Sue Gordon / Picturehouse Release Biggest Sleeper: Not sure.
Could be Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth," which is supposed to be extremely well done. Could be Robert Altman's "A Prairie Home Companion." Could be "Wordplay," since a movie about crossword puzzles could play off the current national love of spelling bees.


David Poland
Movie City News

Biggest Hit: "Pirates of the Caribbean 2"
Biggest Flop: "Barnyard"
Biggest Sleeper: "Monster House"

Mark Lisanti
Defamer

Biggest Hit: "The Da Vinci Code"
Ron Howard's entire directing career has been mere preparation for this moment — he's ready to take his big-budget pandering to a truly massive, built-in audience.

Sony Pictures Imageworks Biggest Flop: "Superman Returns"
From what we hear, millions of spandex enthusiasts aren't going to be too excited.

Biggest Sleeper: "Snakes on a Plane"
...Unless, of course, bloggers finally get tired of doing New Line's marketing work for it and decide not to show up with our rubber snakes and model jetliners on opening night.

Garth Franklin:
Dark Horizons

Simon Mein / Columbia Pictures Biggest Hit: "The Da Vinci Code," maybe "Pirates of the Caribbean 2"
With so many movies focused at young boys (e.g. "Superman," "X3," etc.) I think the two films that'll hit big are "The Da Vinci Code" and to a lesser extent the "Pirates" sequel. "Da Vinci" appeals to all ages including a lot of people who don't normally go to movies. It also has a huge following thanks to the book, and with such a pedigree involved (Hanks, Howard) is likely to get reviewed quite well. The first "Pirates" has done so well and is a perfect "family film", the only question is the quality — the last one did so well due to lots of repeat business, it must be good to do the same.

Biggest Flop: "Pathfinder"
A historic battle epic (a genre which hasn't done well at all of late) with no real stars shoved in between the 'Pirates' juggernaut and Shyamalan's "Lady in the Water".

Biggest Sleeper: "Snakes on a Plane"

For a film that was made for little money, the studio was only expecting probably $30-40 million in box-office revenue. With all the buzz though that's swirling around, don't be surprised if it probably triples that amount.

Frank Connor / Universal Pictures Berge Garabedian
JoBlo

Biggest Hit: "Pirates of the Caribbean 2"
Biggest Flop: "Miami Vice"
Biggest Sleeper: "My Super Ex-Girlfriend"


Sasha Stone
Oscar Watch

Biggest Hit: "Pirates of the Caribbean" or "The Da Vinci Code"
It's down to "Pirates of the Caribbean" and "The Da Vinci Code" for biggest hit, with "Cars," "X-Men" and "Superman" closing in fast. If I had to go with one, my gut tells me "Pirates" because "Da Vinci" may play well with adults but it might not draw the biggest demographic. "Pirates" will have to be as good as the first to hold the number one spot. It looks to be a summer of hits more than bombs.

Biggest Flop: "Miami Vice"
It looks good and will draw crowds but it might have trouble making more than the production costs. It's possible that Jamie Foxx is a bigger draw now than ever but it will have to be VERY good to do well.

New Line Productions Biggest Sleeper: "Snakes on a Plane!"
It will put "internet buzz" to the test. And unless it been ghettoized by the fanboys or downloaded to extinction. So far, internet buzz hasn't proved trustworthy when it comes to box office but "Snakes on a Plane" in a film no tween nor teen can resist. "Nacho Libre" is another possible contender and then, of course, there is Clint Eastwood's "Flags of Our Fathers" which could surprise in the box office department making it an instant Best Picture frontrunner, even though it's not a "teenager" movie.

Jeffrey Wells
Hollywood Elsewhere

Biggest Hit: "The Da Vinci Code"
Hands down. There's no disputing this. It's a settled issue. Surely you know this.

The Biggest Flop: "Poseidon"
It cost $160 million to make. To be regarded as a serious hit, a movie of this sort needs to bring in $40 or $50 million on opening weekend. Right now, 11 days from the opening day, tracking indicates perhaps a $15 million opening weekend at best — it may be more in the realm of $10 to $12 million, although WB is now running 90 second ads on prime-time networks. (It's "very, very unusual" to run 90-second ads in prime time, a marketing guy tells me.) It's not a bad film at all (pretty good actually, for what it is) but interest levels are low.

Daniel Daza / Paramount The Biggest Sleeper: "Snakes on a Plane," "Nacho Libre"
Apart from "Snakes on a Plane," which has ALREADY become a sleeper hit by virtue of the internet interest, "Nacho Libre" has Paramount behind it and Jack Black and the presumed loyalty of the Napoleon Dynamite/fans of Jared Hess crowd behind it, so I don't know if you can call it a likely sleeper hit, but it will be a pretty sizable hit, I think.


Tom O'Neil
Gold Derby

Biggest Hit: "Pirates of the Caribbean 2"
Timing is everything. Pirates will snare the most box office treasure because it's a winning film formula setting sail in early July.

Biggest Flop: "Superman Returns"
Brandon Routh will prove to be Kryptonite to the Superman francise. A wimpy, bland cupcake can't fill the Man of Steel's tights.

Biggest Sleeper: "My Super Ex-Girlfriend"
How to make a killing at the box office: Uma Thurman weilding a chain saw in a comedy about revenge.

Leonard Klady
Movie City News

Biggest Hit: "Mission: Impossible 3"
The rule is generally first out has an edge and we'd all be surprised if "Mission: Impossible 3" doesn't open with both guns blazing; it's the film everyone will be trying to top all season; "Da Vinci" needs to get older repeat business and connect with a younger audience to beat it and my guess is it won't, so my guess is the only real challenger will be the "Pirates of the Caribbean" sequel.

Biggest Flop: "Poseidon"
"Poseidon" is already shaping up as the early negative favorite. I doubt "Superman Returns" will be a flop but in terms of expectations it feels like it could be a real disappointment with a lot of spin about its ancillary upside being batted about.

Biggest Sleeper: "The Break-Up," "Lady in the Water," "Over the Hedge" Sleeper is not the right term when you're spending $25 million plus to promote a film, but the film that looks like it will significantly excede expectations is "The Break-Up" starring the king of surprise Vince Vaughn ... and that Aniston person. Comedies and horror films generally provide the left field home runs. "Lady in the Water" also seems like a film that could top expectations and my gut also gurgles at "Over the Hedge" as something that could perform a lot better than expected.



Let us hear your predictions. Send your pics for the summer's hits, flops and sleepers and your reasons why to [email protected]. We'll post our readers' answers next week.
Actually, most ones didn´t put SR as biggest flop and it´s mentioned in others as one of the potential big hits.

Anyway, if early predictions were to put much stock in, MI III would have been a smash... The analysts miss even predictions for the week the movies open, why are we supposed to trust very early ones?
 
the norminator said:
how can anyone think that DVC will do well when movies like MI3, X3, SMR, POTC2 are coming out around the same time? IMHO most people who will go see DVC are all over 35 years old. DVC will make all its money the first weekend after that its going down because X3 comes out the week after. Alot of people 35 years old and older will not go to the movies when they know school is out teens will be at the movies from 3-midnight and they don't want to deal with that...IMHO thx:)norm

I think DVC and X3 will eat each other in box office :)
 
Cinemaman said:
People are always WRONG!

Yeah, true. There's no way Superman will open less than 100 million on it's open weekend. And how much did those movies that opened to over 100 million went on to gross. Shrek over 400 mil, Sith 380, mil and Harry Potter 4 290 mil. Now for Harry there have been 4 movies already in recent years. Starwars had 2 recent films and Shrek 1. And the last Superman man movie we had was like 20 years ago. All of comicdom will see Returns on opening weekend. The general audience will prefer this kind of movie and will go see it. And can somebody tell me if there are any other wide release movies coming on on the 4th of July weekend??? I can't even think of one and that's another reason why it will have a huge opening weekend. There's no doubt it will make over 400 million.
 

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