Superman Returns We don't like how this movie is looking (merged)

[Nivek]

--------------"And this whole "can't judge a movie before you see it" arguement is just crap.

I knew BIG MOMMA 2 was going to be complete crap before it ever came out. And it was!

I knew DATE MOVIE was going to SUCK before I ever saw it, and it DID.

I knew BATMAN FOREVER was going to SUCK as soon as I saw BAT NIPPLES...lol

And yes, I knew BLADE TRINITY was going to SUCK as soon as I saw the NIGHT STALKERS and what DRACULA was going to look like."---------


Maybe you can judge if you're gonna like a film or not but not if it's going to be a flop or not.

Big Mommas House 2: $40 Million budget
Worldwide gross: $136,868,772

Date Movie: $20 Million Budget
Worldwide gross: $78,130,878

Batman Forever: $100 million budget
Worldwide gross: $336,531,112

Blade: Trinity: $65 million budget
Worldwide gross: $128,905,366

So what we really are getting down to here is what you deem a decent flick. So right back to it...it's all opinion.

Great post!

 

[roach]

Tell me a single superhero movie without compromise.

Even Superman the movie had to compromise

 

[skruloos]

Singer doesn't really know Superman, all he knows are the previous movies, he even said he watched the musical, what an idiot.

Last I checked, all the movies and yes, even the musical, are considered part of Superman.

 

[green]

Let me ask you all something.

If someone were to tell you all what you know now, two years ago, when Singer was first announced as the film's director, what would be your reaction? If someone told you in one felt blow, that Lois would have a kid (now revealed to be Superman's), that Lex would again don a wig and again be involved in some kind of real-estate scheme instead of an original idea with a different and more visually exciting villain, and you were shown a picture of Brandon Routh (different color scheme, "small s", high neckline and all), what would be your gut-reaction? I know when these select aspects were introduced, most of you (not all) were up in arms about it.

It seems like from the day that picture of Routh was released, you have been compromising. Think of your gut reactions. Since this is all new to the general public, they have not had time to compromise and their gut reactions are very similar to yours, (WHY ISN'T SUPERMAN PUNCHING GUYS WITH SUPERPOWERS?? WHY DOES SUPERMAN HAVE A CHILD??? WHY IS LOIS LANE WITH ANOTHER MAN??). Additionally, the laughable attempt at marketing aren't really helping the movie or altering any perceptions.
You shouldn't have to scour the internet and television for promotional material for a "blockbuster" film, you should be inundated with commercials and advertisements, especially this late in the game.

Just my two cents.

You know neelyohara (sorry but as a fan of Valley of the Dolls I have to laugh everytime I see your username)...
Just as much as some people around here have a hard time grasping the fact that some people dont like what they are seeing, it goes both ways. Why do you assume people are compromising because they like what they see. Alot of people dont need to see Superman punching someone to know that a movie about him is going to include super feats...a punch is a punch and quite honestly we've seen them done in every way shape and form and in my opinion a supervillain with lots of strength is old hat.
As for the marketing stuff, give it a couple of weeks.

 

[roach]

Last I checked, all the movies and yes, even the musical, are considered part of Superman.

because if I was doing a Star Wars movie that is supposed to be in between Empire and Jedi I'd go read all the novels and cartoons

 

[Eric_Draven83]

I normally don't like getting into these type of debates ESPECIALLY after not having seen a movie. But, this is Superman we're talking about here. Superman: The Movie was the 1st Superhero movie I saw as a child and its impact on me is everlasting. In spite of the fact that Supes didn't "Punch villains" or whatever it is that's supposedly "missing" from Superman Returns.

Much like Batman Begins, I think what'll bring Superman Returns to the top spot in the box office is Word Of Mouth. The DC heroes have been absent for YEARS and Marvel has capitalized on already established groundwork. Not to take away from all Marvel films, mind you. The funniest thing happened a few months ago:

I went to a local Best Buy around the time the George Reeves 2nd season "Superman" show was released on DVD. I looked down the aisle of TV Show dvd's & noticed two elderly gentlemen snatching up their own copies of the show. These guys were at least in their 60's-early 70's. I was shocked to see that they took time out of their days to get a copy of this show, walking-cane's and all,lol. IMO, this is a prime example of why Superman Returns WON'T fail or flop. At this point, it's unpredictable. But, Schuster & Siegel created something that breaks the barrier between old and young.

I think those of us who've actually READ Superman comics throughout the years know what Superman's about, and for the most part it's not about punching bad guys,lol. I distinctly remember being about 8yrs. old and going to a local comic book shop, picking out an issue of Superman and the owner telling me that I might be "Bored with this issue." He said, "There's no action in this one, it's just Superman doin' nothing." He paged through the book to show me that it was just Superman standing infront of the White House and talking. I believe there was an assassination attempt or something. What made me ignore his warning was Superman himself. He's just TOO iconic a character to disregard ANY particular side of. Lord knows, there are many sides to Supes. SO, "boring" or not, Superman Returns looks to add to the tradition and not cater to a particular crowd. But to EVERYONE. Except Alex Ross and Mark Millar apparently. I feel they'll be eating their words soon enough

 

[neelyohara]

You know neelyohara (sorry but as a fan of Valley of the Dolls I have to laugh everytime I see your username)...
Just as much as some people around here have a hard time grasping the fact that some people dont like what they are seeing, it goes both ways. Why do you assume people are compromising because they like what they see. Alot of people dont need to see Superman punching someone to know that a movie about him is going to include super feats...a punch is a punch and quite honestly we've seen them done in every way shape and form and in my opinion a supervillain with lots of strength is old hat.
As for the marketing stuff, give it a couple of weeks.

My point is, at first, most of you did not like what you saw and were quite vocal about it. The general public has not had the time to accept what they have seen, if they have seen anything. There gut reactions will be similar to most of our gut reactions. Maybe i'm not giving the public enough credit, but I garuntee you, among the teenage demographic, which I am apart of, you will hear alot of the aforementioned comments.

 

[Rob-el]

What the heck are some of you people smoking out there? There has been nothing in the trailers that an objective point of view would conclude that this movie is doomed. Seriously! I know some of you want this movie to fail for what ever pathetic reasons or grudges you harbour but at the end of the day please - go see the movie first then voice your educated opinion on the out come of your cinematic experience. Geez!

Spider-man 6 sucks. I don't really have any idea but that's about how intelligent many of you are sounding to me.

 

[green]

My point is, at first, most of you did not like what you saw and were quite vocal about it. The general public has not had the time to accept what they have seen, if they have seen anything. There gut reactions will be similar to most of our gut reactions. Maybe i'm not giving the public enough credit, but I garuntee you, among the teenage demographic, which I am apart of, you will hear alot of the aforementioned comments.

Well by saying "most of you", you are kind of generalizing.
Did you happen to notice the blogs have been downloaded something like 38 million times from itunes...I can find a link for you.

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/05/15/1650190.htm
The idea of syndicating marketing materials online is really not so different from what studios used to do for TV, explains Don Buckley, senior VP of interactive marketing for Warner Bros. "When I first got started in the movie business, we used to make these featurettes with commercial breaks built in, and we'd just send them out by the hundreds to independent TV stations around the country," he says.
For "Superman Returns," Buckley commissioned 27 custom video production journals and syndicated them to sites eager enough to feature the content for free. He started by offering the episodes exclusively to Fresno-based Superman fan site BlueTights.net. But as interest grew, he repackaged the material for other sites , including the Apple iTunes store, where the video podcasts have been downloaded more than 39 million times.



Ive said it before, that's alot of downloads. I think the general public is more aware than people are giving them credit for. Im not even gonna go into the amount of magazine coverage this movie has already gotten. That teen demographic you are talking about are also the people who went and saw Titanic over and over and I dont recall a whole lot of punching in that.

 

[theogt]

I can't believe the mods wouldn't merge this into the other "flop" thread, but outright deleted my summary of the book thread. What the hell is wrong with these people? Damn Nazis.

The summary thread was great. It kept people from having to wade through pages and pages of threads to find out the goods. It deserves its own thread more than this crap.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Haters,Singer sheep,Sychophants,Trolls,it's gonna rock,it's gonna suck,the suit is to dark,the suit is perfect,the kid is a disaster,Daddy stories own and relate,No supervillain equals boredom,stopping Earthquakes is much better than Metallo,It's gonna flop and earn 10p,It's gonna make $800M on it first day

ALL this has been done and is currently been done again in other threads

 

[The Kid]

The movie can't flop.

Here's why. and it's simple.

1 Singer's actually a good filmmaker.

2 It's superman. People will go see it simply because it's superman. That's why smallville's a hit and roswell got canned.

 

[C. Lee]

I can't believe the mods wouldn't merge this into the other "flop" thread, but outright deleted my summary of the book thread. What the hell is wrong with these people? Damn Nazis.

The summary thread was great. It kept people from having to wade through pages and pages of threads to find out the goods. It deserves its own thread more than this crap.

I dance better than any Nazi that ever lived.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I just watched ATTACK OF THE SHOW, and Chris Gore just gave some really high hopes for Superman Returns. Had great things to say.

 

[Evelisse]

It wont flop, but wont come close to Spiderman 1 numbers.

Same goes for all the Summer movies, they will all do respectable numbers, but none will reach the <omg Titanic, Star Wars, Spiderman> numbers.

Bottom line, people are not going to the movies as much as they were even 5 years ago.

DvDs are out few months after a movie is released, ticket prices at theaters just keep climbing, the home theater is becoming a reality more and more in homes.

So, wont be a flop, but will still make enough to earn a sequel or 2. Even with so many saying its gona be bad, chances are very high they will still see the movie if for nothing else to criticize what they didn't like.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I just heard talk about that on G4 TV. The way they summed up the Da Vinci Code is that it's pretty much exactly like the book.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I don't think there's a chance the film will flop.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

It wont flop, but wont come close to Spiderman 1 numbers.

Same goes for all the Summer movies, they will all do respectable numbers, but none will reach the <omg Titanic, Star Wars, Spiderman> numbers.

Bottom line, people are not going to the movies as much as they were even 5 years ago.

DvDs are out few months after a movie is released, ticket prices at theaters just keep climbing, the home theater is becoming a reality more and more in homes.

So, wont be a flop, but will still make enough to earn a sequel or 2. Even with so many saying its gona be bad, chances are very high they will still see the movie if for nothing else to criticize what they didn't like.

I agree, Spidey numbers are impossible, but it will be a great summer blockbuster (270-290 in USA and +500 WW).

IMO it's a good sign for Superman that the so-called predictions (based on nothing) had TDVC as the bigger movie of the summer. It probably will be the most disappointing...

 

[millennium movies]

The movie industry is making movies that aren't creative, by the numbers, sequels!!! Walt Disney was opposed to making sequels to his films because making a sequel isn't open to new ideas!!

Alot of people also wait for films on DVD's so now more than ever it affects the B-O numbers. If you also consider, the DVD market is a very profitable one some studios, and mark the word SOME, use the theater as almost an ad for the DVD. Of course most studios do care about the theater run of their movies, mostly the big profile ones.

You have to also consider that most trailers or TV spots aren't all that great anymore. Everything pretty much has been done. If its from space wars to realistic dinosaurs to men in tights touring skycrapers high above, nothing is that impressing anymore. CGI has reached pretty much its peak. Even disaster movies have been pretty much covered from every angle.

Its not sequels so much but more the way they are handled. Sequels IMO should be planned in advance before the first movie opens. Make the outline of where the story goes from part one to part two and all the way to its conclusion in part three. Just like Goyer and Nolan did for the new Batman franchise to WB. They gave them a road map of where the story would go from film to film before the first movie was even complete. Usually it would be wise to either finish the film off in a cliffhanger or a lead up to the story of the sequel. Look at BB ending. If the movie is then a success, then go ahead with that map. If not well then its either because of the film's quality or the marketing campaign or one of the above reasons i stated earlier.

Oversaturation is also a problem, even for SR it can be a problem! Tights or no tights, SR is still a comic book adaptation. People often dont give a chance to such because say another film of the genre flops. People put them all in the same bag.

Thats my two cents for now!

 

[VGPOP]

I don't think there's a chance the film will flop.

There isnt. The fans will make sure it doesn't happen.

I will see this movie AT LEAST twice, and I've NEVER seen the same movie at theater more than once.

Also, IMAX will help tremenduosly. And I will go to IMAX for the first time ever as well just for this movie.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

There isnt. The fans will make sure it doesn't happen.

I will see this movie AT LEAST twice, and I've NEVER seen the same movie at theater more than once.

Also, IMAX will help tremenduosly. And I will go to IMAX for the first time ever as well just for this movie.

ONLY TWICE???

 

[theogt]

I dance better than any Nazi that ever lived.

That may be true. And for the record, I was kidding about the Nazis thing. And yes, I see that the thread was merged rather than deleted.

 

[The Kid]

No worries, friend... I'm forming a super secret resistence force against them that will end their terrible reign.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, the amount of hype that will surround this movie should be wicked.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

I think a lot of people stay away from the theater because roughly 70% of the movies that come out these days are all flash and no substance (Catwoman! Meow!). I myself haven't been to the theater since Narnia back in the winter. I usually only catch films between the months of May and August, and then through the Holiday season. It's not just that I only like event movies, but some movies are meant to be watched on a silver screen (especially IMAX) and not HDTV. And it's hard to justify eight bones a ticket when there is a major chance you'll get bent over when it comes to the film's quality. I want to be wowed, not shafted because I spent time, gas, and time taking in a matinee of craptacular theater. That's the problem with the digital age: As the freedom of visual effects has increased, the necessity to tell a solid story has decreased (at least in the eyes of the movers and shakers of Tinseltown). Oh, and movie critics suck big time (to me, anyway). I've disagreed with them many more times than I've agreed with 'em. I lost all faith in critics when Siskel endorsed Carnosaur.