We need lower budget, R rated comicbook movies.

[Tacit Ronin]

Studios need to realize not every comic book movie should be 150 million plus summer blockbusters. They need to change up their superhero movie making formula.

Some lower budget comicbook movies with a winter season release date would add variety. This will also give filmmakers more control over their products.

Discuss.

 

[BlackLantern]

Firstly....a lot of the "high end" characters cost alot because of costumes, effects, etc....Im sure if Favreau could make Iron Man for less than the budget he would have but all that stuff costs money...lots of it

as for the filmmakers, it's not "their" product, they are doing an adaptation so I think its important for them to undersand that part of it

 

[Judge Holden]

I agree.

Smaller budget... less financial risk.

Smaller budgets and less financial risk means they can make movies about more obscure and violent characters.

Get good directors on board who can make the $ go far. Use characters that don't really require big SFX shots ie Moon Knight, Black Panther etc.

It seems strange to say this, but it seems maybe Fox might (a big MIGHT) be going the right direction with the offer of Deadpool to Robert Rodriguez. Love him or hate him, the guy can make movies with tight budgets. I could imagine him making a decent Deadpool movie with 40-50 million tops.

 

[BlackLantern]

Violent doesn't always equal "good"

you would need special FX for Moon Knight, and you'd have to spend money to produce the costume

I don't think people understand that the costumes themselves cost a chunk because it goes from concept to design to prototype to practical

that level of work doesn't go in to your average movie

 

[Judge Holden]

Violent doesn't always equal good sure. But if it's a good movie about a violent character, what's the problem?

And i don't see how a character like Moon Knight's costume would cost much to produce. Also, i disagree about SFX shots. Moon Knight is more martial arts based. He's more of a grounded "street level" character.

In a good directors hands a Moon Knight movie, like Deadpool, could be made for no more than 50 million i think.

 

[BlackLantern]

all those steps I mentioned are standard for any comic book character going to a live action film....production designers have to look at how what is on the page will look on film....a lot of man hours goes into that stuff and they don't work for free

maybe some films are less expensive than others, but its still a part of the process....you don't just throw some stuff on a guy and say "do it"

 

[MadVillainy]

I think people need to realize that R Rating doesnt equal better and that not every movie is going to be/needs to be R rated

Let me just use Jonah Hex as an example:
Basically word is JH was a crap movie and it bombed. Now for some reason...some people think if they made Jonah Hex R all the script problems wouldnt have been there, the acting would have been better, and it wouldve been more successful. False. Alot of people complained about AVP being PG13 and all that whining finally got the studio to let the next one be R. And guess what AVP:R made less money and was even less liked then the first one. A similar thing happened with Punisher04 and Punisher:WZ

Using Jonah Hex as an example again. I strongly believe that they couldve made a good PG13 Jonah Hex. I know every whines "It should be R! it should be R!", but with films like TDK and Max Payne that actually got away with alot for a PG13 rating. Jonah Hex could fit in that group.
From the little Ive seen of Jonah Hex comic they aren't on the level of The Boys or Preacher in terms of violence, not riddled with swearing like Kick Ass, not big on nudity like Watchmen, and they aren't heavy on drungs. If they do make Jonah Hex, R thats great, but I dont feel they NEED to make it R like Preacher, The Boys, Kick Ass, and some others

But I do agree if they do make comic book adaptions R they should make it lower budget. It is very rare for an R rated action film, unless it has alot of comedy, to be very successful

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I agree with BL.

I would think that even for a mid-ranged budget film, the bulk and the focus would and should go into the costumes. The worst thing you could do is screw up the design and the look, because it's the face of the product.

The only comic book film I can think of, realistically, that could probably be done on a low-budget and still be as good as the books is The Punisher MAX Series. But, it still couldn't be done for nothing. The amount of money would pile on, even if it does play like a summer blockbuster onscreen, because of everything else beside explosion A and B.

And yeah...Moon Knight strikes me as one that would need a good amount behind it. Otherwise, things will need to get changed to compensate or we'll have Moon Knight's helicopter looking like some abomination.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Some of the best CB movies have been the lower budget ones, so I dont know why studios wont take more risks with lesser known character and give them lower budgets.

WB have tried but for some reason decided to meddle with both of them and both of them underperformed (though I liked The Losers, havent seen JH but now dont intend to, even as a JH fan).

 

[E-Man]

Making more low budget movies might let us get a chance to see more, but the biggest factor should be getting people who understand the source material. It seems that the comic movies that bombed were ones that the producers and director really didn't give a damn about the source material and/or they changed up everything because they didn't think it could sell well. I feel that if studios stop overthinking the source material so much, we could get better stories.

I don't think making more R rated movies would change much either. It's all about the tone. You can make things dark without resorting to going for an R rating. If a movie falls into an R rating, then so be it, but aiming for an R rating usually ends in gimmicks that go for shock value instead of telling a good story. Instead of seeing Moon Knight overcoming his past in a great triumphant story, we'd see him killing 45 bad guys in slow motion with blood splattering everywhere.

 

[Franklin Richards]

 

[E-Man]

^I could go for some kick ass kung fu like that. I was watching Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace earlier, and I was thinking that a SHIELD movie could be like that. Have the secret agent angle going like in the Bond movies, but throw in some super villains to make it really interesting.

 

[BlackLantern]

Making more low budget movies might let us get a chance to see more, but the biggest factor should be getting people who understand the source material. It seems that the comic movies that bombed were ones that the producers and director really didn't give a damn about the source material and/or they changed up everything because they didn't think it could sell well. I feel that if studios stop overthinking the source material so much, we could get better stories.

I don't think making more R rated movies would change much either. It's all about the tone. You can make things dark without resorting to going for an R rating. If a movie falls into an R rating, then so be it, but aiming for an R rating usually ends in gimmicks that go for shock value instead of telling a good story. Instead of seeing Moon Knight overcoming his past in a great triumphant story, we'd see him killing 45 bad guys in slow motion with blood splattering everywhere.

agreed

 

[Hound55]

Violent doesn't always equal good sure. But if it's a good movie about a violent character, what's the problem?

And i don't see how a character like Moon Knight's costume would cost much to produce. Also, i disagree about SFX shots. Moon Knight is more martial arts based. He's more of a grounded "street level" character.

In a good directors hands a Moon Knight movie, like Deadpool, could be made for no more than 50 million i think.

Chopper rental, costume. Should save on CGI because I'd like to think they could make do with older cable techniques...

The costume WOULD cost... and then there's the large odds that the director would f*** it up, the risk of which would put the director's insurance through the roof because I'D fly out to L.A. and off him...

 

[BlackLantern]

well if you're going to include the moon copter....you need concept art, practical models, designs, getting a copter and making all the modifications

the costume design process is similar....concept art, different designs to see what works, test costumes, screen tests, tweaking, final design


you know anyone qualified who is going to do all that FOR FREE??

 

[Hound55]

well if you're going to include the moon copter....you need concept art, practical models, designs, getting a copter and making all the modifications

the costume design process is similar....concept art, different designs to see what works, test costumes, screen tests, tweaking, final design


you know anyone qualified who is going to do all that FOR FREE??

Well THAT bit kind of depends on what part of the Moon Knight story you want to tell... You want origin (maybe even an early "Year One" version) you could probably go without a modded chopper.

But yes. Moon Knight's not the character I'd be thinking of when I think "cheap", "realistic", "quality" and "true to the source material" at the same time. SOMETHING there will go out the window.

 

[BlackLantern]

Luke Cage would probably be the easiest then

 

[Hound55]

I'd say a Shang Chi or a Werewolf by Night...

Both genres have their standard cliches and go a dime a dozen, you wouldn't have to do TOO much to get one to stand out a bit more in the field and you can add some more noteable trademarks attaching them to their Marvel characters... but they'd be less likely to be seen as "Comic book movies" than just those budget genre films.

And in all likelihood they'd drown in their genres and not stand out enough for the common man.

Cage would be another of the easiest, but the hardest to make it stand out and be viewed as better than just average to common moviegoers.

 

[BlackLantern]

Marvel could make that work, make it seem like an action movie and then people would learn "oh that's a comic book?? pretty cool then"

 

[Hound55]

I think they could make another Daredevil film at budget and have it turn out better than the last... the CGI looked... ugh...

To me, you don't need to resort to CGI for street level guys action scenes...

 

[E-Man]

I think they could make another Daredevil film at budget and have it turn out better than the last... the CGI looked... ugh...

To me, you don't need to resort to CGI for street level guys action scenes...

The street level thing is why I think Moon Knight could work if it has to be cheap. It could be more character driven like "The Bottom," and we wouldn't see him in costume much. If he is in costume, then it could just be him fighting street punks while the main story is figuring out if he is really an avatar of an Egyptian god or insane. You wouldn't need the moon copter for that, so they might be able to make it for cheap if they had to.

 

[C. Lee]

I want to see many comic book related movies.

I don't care if they are low or high budget....I don't care if they are rated G, PG, PG-13, or R....AS LONG AS THEY ARE DONE RIGHT AND DONE WELL.

The rating doesn't make a movie good...it's the writing and acting and directing and so on that makes it good.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The rating doesn't make a movie good...it's the writing and acting and directing and so on that makes it good.

What if the character is inherently violent? Can you imagine Joe Pesci's character in Goodfellas if it was PG13?

Sometimes to write and direct a character well you need the R rating.

Imagine how much better Wolverine's origin would've been if it was rated R.

 

[MadVillainy]

I want to see many comic book related movies.

I don't care if they are low or high budget....I don't care if they are rated G, PG, PG-13, or R....AS LONG AS THEY ARE DONE RIGHT AND DONE WELL.

The rating doesn't make a movie good...it's the writing and acting and directing and so on that makes it good.

I 100% agree.

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I think this immature notion of everything has to be R (not just with comic book movies) is getting tired.

What if the character is inherently violent? Can you imagine Joe Pesci's character in Goodfellas if it was PG13?

Sometimes to write and direct a character well you need the R rating.

Imagine how much better Wolverine's origin would've been if it was rated R.

still would have been crap. If you take the exact product XMO:W and then just made it R...it still would have been sh**

 

[C. Lee]

What if the character is inherently violent? Can you imagine Joe Pesci's character in Goodfellas if it was PG13?

Sometimes to write and direct a character well you need the R rating.

Imagine how much better Wolverine's origin would've been if it was rated R.

As I said....the writing acting directing etc is what makes a movie.

If a character is originally written as a violent 'R' character....it will be harder to make a good adaption the lower down the ratings scale you go....but a good team should be able to make an entertaining movie none the less.

Now understand this...I'm not saying that there should be no R rated comic based movies....I am replying to the thought put out there by many on the boards that say the only way some comic movies could possibly be good is by being made R.

My whole post was about how the quality of the production is so much more important than just striving to get a R rating.