Well....Shawn Levy is Directing the Flash

[Manhunter]

Well I wasn't really commenting on that in the sense that the Flash should be a dark Batman-like character. I was basically saying we went from the guy who worked on Batman Begins, Blade, and other countless comic book scripts to the guy who has ****ty PG family comedy movies. I don't want the Flash to be a dark character but I also don't want him to be turned into a cheesy Sky High/Zoom type character. You get what I am saying?

I'm afraid I don't hold Goyer in as high regard as you. I'd rather have a cheesy Flash making wisecracks than another version of Batman.

Hey Manhunter, good to see you.

It's good to be seen! Hope you're doing well Sage.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

You obviously don't get what I am saying so I give up.

 

[Manhunter]

Look you should be happy that Goyer is gone, his phazers are stuck on Gloom. Not appropriate for Flash. We're better off without him.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I would be happier if the new director wasn't such a horrible one but hey I guess I am the crazy one.

 

[Manhunter]

I would be happier if the new director wasn't such a horrible one but hey I guess I am the crazy one.

How do you define better? Nolan made BB great, Blade was painfully forgettable, and Night at the Museum made an assload of money.

I don't see how Goyer is so great and the other guy is so ****ty. Both strike me as unremarkable, with one guy stuck on gloom while the other is more geared for light hearted fare.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I dunno maybe making a movie watchable makes a director better. I haven't seen Night at the Museum but Cheaper by the Dozen, The Pink Panther and Just Married were all pretty dull and unwatchable for me. They were just poor movies. And I didn't say Levy couldn't make money he obviously can do that but quality movies these days aren't exactly the ones tearing up the box office these days. In fact no matter how poorly reviewed a movie is it can still make number one and some nice dough. The recent movies Epic Movie and The Messengers are proof of that.

And I will try to make it clear for you again. I am not saying Goyer meant automatic greatness. I am saying he was on a great path for it. Goyer could have ****ed it up sure but from what I heard I think he was going in the right direction for a fantastic film.

But regardless we are both jumping the gun. We know nothing but small details that are slipping out and we both don't know a lot about what is going on. I would love to see Goyer's script online so we could actually discuss it with the full knowledge.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

He helped make Batman Begins how fantastic it was I don't care what anyone says. Nolan had a huge hand in it but Goyer was his wingman.

I understand that you like Batman Begins, i do too, but the script is mediocre.
Tell me one thing great about the script?
What saved the movie was Nolan direction (and the actors, of course).
Ra´s plan was a complete joke, and too simplistic.
Falcone was there just to get his ass kicked by Batman and ending in Arkham.
The relation between the Dark Knight and Gordon was horrible.
What cop would simply go with a masked vigilante, without even questioning? (next time, make Goyer read Miller´s Batman: Year One)
Batman was no more "Punisher in a bat suit" kind of deal, and not an urban legend (next time, make Goyer watch Burton´s movie, because it got that part right).
The all psychological angle of Wayne is reduced to something one can read on fortune cookies.

Do i really need to go on?

This direct stuff is kinda fun.

A: Wally West isn't the Flash in the "fu**ing comics."

B: There is no reason to say that starting with Barry is "right."

C: A movie or trilogy about Barry is not about the legacy, cuz it's not a legacy until it's passed down (ah, the dictionary). The only way to make a movie about The Flash, about the legacy of the name is for it to star Wally AND not forget about Barry.

D: Are all flashbacks "stupid" or just ones that you want to see full movies made from?

E: What's your problem with both? Other than it's just "not right," and "stupid." Y'know... like, real reasons...

A- I give you that, i don´t read Flash in a couple of years

B- Yes, there is. Barry Allen is essential to the all DCU, if
you don´t get that, i´m not the ones that is going to explain.

C- If that´s your comeback, you really need to work it out.
A legacy has a start, this is it. To have something passed, you need for something to start, right? Barry Allen life and death is too damn important to be just a footnote or a 15 minutes sequence.
But tell me, why do you want Wally so much?

D- Flashbacks are stupid the moment you use to them to tell something that should have a movie about. To tell a character´s life and dead in a simple flashback is not only stupid, is moronic. More even when the character has the importance of Barry, but clearly you don´t get that, you don´t get his importance to Wally and what he is today.
And if you do, you don´t seem to?

E- Read the above and find out.

By your username, you seem a Green Lantern fan.
So, would you like to start with Kyle or Hal?

Hmm... wasn't he involved with Blade, a movie at LEAST partially responsible for the revival of comic book movies? Wasn't he also involved with Batman Begins, a movie reputed to be the "BEST BATMAN MOVIE EVAR!"

Read my reply to RINB...

 

[Triadkd]

I dont know why the mods keep deleting my threads, but bryan singer is to blame for all of this. His failure with superman, has destroyed the next generation of comic book films. He had all the resources a director needs, and complete creative control, he still blew it. Spin it any way you want but WB is not happy with SR. Superman is the most iconic super hero in the world and he barley made 200 domestic. SR should have been a billion dollar film.

 

[Manhunter]

I dunno maybe making a movie watchable makes a director better. I haven't seen Night at the Museum but Cheaper by the Dozen, The Pink Panther and Just Married were all pretty dull and unwatchable for me. They were just poor movies. And I didn't say Levy couldn't make money he obviously can do that but quality movies these days aren't exactly the ones tearing up the box office these days. In fact no matter how poorly reviewed a movie is it can still make number one and some nice dough. The recent movies Epic Movie and The Messengers are proof of that.

And I will try to make it clear for you again. I am not saying Goyer meant automatic greatness. I am saying he was on a great path for it. Goyer could have ****ed it up sure but from what I heard I think he was going in the right direction for a fantastic film.

But regardless we are both jumping the gun. We know nothing but small details that are slipping out and we both don't know a lot about what is going on. I would love to see Goyer's script online so we could actually discuss it with the full knowledge.

Well actually we do know Goyer was headed to a dark place, and the studio is going with a lighter tone. Seeing as how Flash isn't a dark character, and that Goyer was let go, it seems like the studio just prevented him from making a mistake.

Somehow you glean from that that Goyer was going in the right direction for a fantastic film...c'est la vie.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well actually we do know Goyer was headed to a dark place, and the studio is going with a lighter tone. Seeing as how Flash isn't a dark character, and that Goyer was let go, it seems like the studio just prevented him from making a mistake.

Somehow you glean from that that Goyer was going in the right direction for a fantastic film...c'est la vie.

Your acting as if their wouldn't have been in comedic elements in the film. Like I said you don't know **** and neither do I considering we haven't even seen the script. Did you even see the scene where Hannibal King pretty much does a stand-up act while he is captured? But whatever it is pretty silly arguing over it. We both see different mistakes.

 

[Eddie Dean]

But tell me, why do you want Wally so much?

The thing with Wally is that he's tailor made for Hollywood. He's a young, funny, and good looking guy with a "cool" superpower and a racily diverse love interest. Add in the needed melodrama with Barry's death and pick a villain and you've pretty much got a movie within itself.

 

[Savage]

To me starting a movie with Wally is like starting a Batman series with Jean-Paul. Wally takes on the mantel of Flash in the place of Barry. It's pretty ridiculous to start right in the middle.

Batman-Bruce Wayne
Superman-Clark Kent
Wonder Woman-Diana
Green Lantern-Hal Jordan
Flash-Barry Allen

The people that started these legacies. That's how you start with. These are origin movies after all. As far as we're concerned, there should have been no previous versions of any of these characters. Work best especially with the eventual Justice League movie.

Hell, if you want even change Flashes every movie. But I personally think it's best to start with Barry. There's no reason for the Flash to have come before Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.

And if anybody brings up Iron Fist well that works differently because Danny Rand was the first Iron Fist we were introduced to.

 

[Saint]

To me starting a movie with Wally is like starting a Batman series with Jean-Paul. Wally takes on the mantel of Flash in the place of Barry. It's pretty ridiculous to start right in the middle.

Batman-Bruce Wayne
Superman-Clark Kent
Wonder Woman-Diana
Green Lantern-Hal Jordan
Flash-Barry Allen

The people that started these legacies. That's how you start with. These are origin movies after all. As far as we're concerned, there should have been no previous versions of any of these characters. Work best especially with the eventual Justice League movie.

Hell, if you want even change Flashes every movie. But I personally think it's best to start with Barry. There's no reason for the Flash to have come before Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.

And if anybody brings up Iron Fist well that works differently because Danny Rand was the first Iron Fist we were introduced to.

Well, to be frank I'm not sure you're being honest. If you really wanted to start at the beginning, you'd want Jay Garrick, not Barry Allen. I mean, I understand if you want the first film to be about Barry, that's great, but I don't think your argument against the film being about Wally is valid.

 

[Sun_Down]

To me starting a movie with Wally is like starting a Batman series with Jean-Paul. Wally takes on the mantel of Flash in the place of Barry. It's pretty ridiculous to start right in the middle.

Batman-Bruce Wayne
Superman-Clark Kent
Wonder Woman-Diana
Green Lantern-Hal Jordan
Flash-Barry Allen

The people that started these legacies. That's how you start with. These are origin movies after all. As far as we're concerned, there should have been no previous versions of any of these characters. Work best especially with the eventual Justice League movie.

Hell, if you want even change Flashes every movie. But I personally think it's best to start with Barry. There's no reason for the Flash to have come before Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.

And if anybody brings up Iron Fist well that works differently because Danny Rand was the first Iron Fist we were introduced to.

Why's it any less ridiculous to start 1/4 of the way through? Same goes for Hal.

 

[Katsuro]

Why's it any less ridiculous to start 1/4 of the way through? Same goes for Hal.

Because honestly, you can ignore the existence of Alan Scott and Jay Garrick and get a way with it, easily. Until the 80's, the characters didn't even exist in the same universe.

But you can't ignore Hal and Barry's existence. You can't just start with Wally as the Flash and ignore that Barry came before him, as Barry's far too important to the whole Flash legacy. Jay has almost nothing to do with that. Jay never "passed the torch" onto Barry, Barry just used to read about Jay as a fictional comic character, and stole his name.

And if you're not going to ignore Barry's existence, you can't just reduce him to a character in a flashback. Why start with Wally, and lose out on the chance of Barry ever starring in a Flash movie, when you can start with Barry, then star Wally in the sequel? Even if a Flash movie with Barry dying in the first 10 minutes would work, giving him a whole movie would work better.

 

[rogue trooper]

Well, if FF:Rise of The Silver Surfer turns out to be good, maybe more fans will be a little more optimstic about Levy(Tim Story is also a comedy director). I for one don't have a problem with Levy.

 

[terry78]

Granted, I respect the fact that people want Barry to start out, but honestly....as far as the mainstream goes, most people, by that I mean the few that keep up with the Flash, know Wally West and his korean love interest as what The Flash is. They may have some nods to Barry for the fans, but I'm thinking they plan to go with Wally West for obvious popularity reasons.

 

[Savage]

Well, to be frank I'm not sure you're being honest. If you really wanted to start at the beginning, you'd want Jay Garrick, not Barry Allen. I mean, I understand if you want the first film to be about Barry, that's great, but I don't think your argument against the film being about Wally is valid.

Jay Garrick is Golden Age though. Not referring to those guys. If that's the case then the Green Lantern Movie might as well be about Alan Scott (who's not even related to the GL corps.).

But it really all depends. Are the movies going for Golden Age or Silver Age. If it's Silver age, then it's obvious that Hal and Barry should be the first ones...I'm not a DC fanatic (I just know enough. It gets crazy with the alternate timelines and such) but were the Golden Age Flash and Green Lantern even related to the Silver Age Flashes and Green Lanterns before the crisis (infinite earths)?

 

[Savage]

Because honestly, you can ignore the existence of Alan Scott and Jay Garrick and get a way with it, easily. Until the 80's, the characters didn't even exist in the same universe.

Ah. I figured as much.

But you can't ignore Hal and Barry's existence. You can't just start with Wally as the Flash and ignore that Barry came before him, as Barry's far too important to the whole Flash legacy. Jay has almost nothing to do with that. Jay never "passed the torch" onto Barry, Barry just used to read about Jay as a fictional comic character, and stole his name.

And if you're not going to ignore Barry's existence, you can't just reduce him to a character in a flashback. Why start with Wally, and lose out on the chance of Barry ever starring in a Flash movie, when you can start with Barry, then star Wally in the sequel? Even if a Flash movie with Barry dying in the first 10 minutes would work, giving him a whole movie would work better.

Bingo. Said it waaay better than I ever could.

 

[JackBauer]

Granted, I respect the fact that people want Barry to start out, but honestly....as far as the mainstream goes, most people, by that I mean the few that keep up with the Flash, know Wally West and his korean love interest as what The Flash is. They may have some nods to Barry for the fans, but I'm thinking they plan to go with Wally West for obvious popularity reasons.

funny how EVERY non-comic book reader I talk to remembers Barry Allen from the Flash series rather than Wally West.

 

[IcemanX]

I'm hoping he goes Spider-man light, and not batman & robin light. But until a script is out, then I'll just be happy knowing that at least the wheels are finally turning with this movie...?...I really hope it's not a bart movie though. I;d prefer Wally, but am not opposed to Barry or Jay even. It's a shame about Goyer, I was interested in his comments about the movie, but the comic itself more importantly. Well hopefully Shawn whatever his name is, can surprise us...

 

[terry78]

I'm witholding judgment until I hear Levy say something about the route he plans to go. Yes, he does fluff movies, but those fluff movies have garnered studios hundreds of millions, so if I was a suit, I wouldn't be too nervous about giving this man my property(assuming I knew nothing of The Flash). If Levy honestly says he has Flash knowledge and plans to incorporate stuff from the legacy, I'll give him a go.

 

[Sun_Down]

I'm witholding judgment until I hear Levy say something about the route he plans to go. Yes, he does fluff movies, but those fluff movies have garnered studios hundreds of millions, so if I was a suit, I wouldn't be too nervous about giving this man my property(assuming I knew nothing of The Flash). If Levy honestly says he has Flash knowledge and plans to incorporate stuff from the legacy, I'll give him a go.

That's where I'm at too. I wanna give this guy a chance to tell us where he's going with it before I start calling for his head.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Thinking about this makes me rather neutral. I'm not estatic about the choice of director, but I'm not worried yet.

It appears that Warner Bros. wanted something different that what Goyer had. From what is said, Goyer wanted a dark Flash movie, and the Flash is not a dark character. The early days of Barry Allen is not dark. Jay Garrick is not dark. Wally West is not dark. Bart Allen is not dark. The Flash is simply not a dark character.

I watched Fantastic Four and this is what got me to ease my fears. Take a look at Tim Story. This is the man who directed Taxi and Barbershop and he still managed to make a somewhat decent Fantastic Four movie.

Fantastic Four is not garbage you people might be asking. But watching it, and I will tell you that it is not garbage. Fantastic Four suffered due to two reasons:
1. The complete bastardization of Dr. Doom.
2. Jessica Alba's acting

If those two were different, Fantastic Four could have been a good movie.

Now, hippie_hunter, what does Fantastic Four have to do with Shawn Levy directing the Flash, you people might be asking. My thoughts are that if Story can make a somewhat decent Fantastic Four, then Levy (the man who has directed Cheaper by the Dozen, the Pink Panther, Big Fat Liar, and Night at the Museum), he could have the chops to make a decent Flash film as long as it doesn't repeat Fantastic Four's mistakes (getting a s**tty actor and completely bastardizing a character).

Let's wait and see on the direction the Flash film is going, and at the moment, it is not going to be a bad comedy which Levy tends to direct, before we can fully determine if this movie is going to suck or not.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

Thinking about this makes me rather neutral. I'm not estatic about the choice of director, but I'm not worried yet.

It appears that Warner Bros. wanted something different that what Goyer had. From what is said, Goyer wanted a dark Flash movie, and the Flash is not a dark character. The early days of Barry Allen is not dark. Jay Garrick is not dark. Wally West is not dark. Bart Allen is not dark. The Flash is simply not a dark character.

I watched Fantastic Four and this is what got me to ease my fears. Take a look at Tim Story. This is the man who directed Taxi and Barbershop and he still managed to make a somewhat decent Fantastic Four movie.

Fantastic Four is not garbage you people might be asking. But watching it, and I will tell you that it is not garbage. Fantastic Four suffered due to two reasons:
1. The complete bastardization of Dr. Doom.
2. Jessica Alba's acting

If those two were different, Fantastic Four could have been a good movie.

Now, hippie_hunter, what does Fantastic Four have to do with Shawn Levy directing the Flash, you people might be asking. My thoughts are that if Story can make a somewhat decent Fantastic Four, then Levy (the man who has directed Cheaper by the Dozen, the Pink Panther, Big Fat Liar, and Night at the Museum), he could have the chops to make a decent Flash film as long as it doesn't repeat Fantastic Four's mistakes (getting a s**tty actor and completely bastardizing a character).

Let's wait and see on the direction the Flash film is going, and at the moment, it is not going to be a bad comedy which Levy tends to direct, before we can fully determine if this movie is going to suck or not.

But why should we settle for a an average/ok movie when we can get something better?