The Dark Knight Well....this is intresting? (Joker news)

[The Fallen]

Like you said, denial. They won't accept that Nolan is taking the wrong approach.

Right and wrong are a matter of opinion. This is all we have at this stage. 'small and mysterious' are very vauge terms and can be interpreted in many ways.

Some people thought Begins took the wrong approach, some loved it. It's all a matter of taste. As long as the Joker acts like the Joker, I'm happy.

 

[trustyside-kick]

The Joker?

the main villian in a Batman movie?

Are you out of your ****ing mind?

I know he won't be. I am just confused with what Mr. Socko and Ming have been arguing over or something.

 

[Ming]

My point is, when the Joker is the main villian 99% of the time, he has just as much screen time/comic panels as Batman does.

To be techincal, crime is his main villian, seeing as crime took his parents from him.

The Joker is only a criminal to Batman. A dangerous criminal that hurts his people, but a criminal none the less.

Crime should get just as much time as Batman, only in the context of it being stopped by Batman.

 

[zer00]

I know he won't be. I am just confused with what Mr. Socko and Ming have been arguing over or something.

The force is not strong in you

To be techincal, crime is his main villian, seeing as crime took his parents from him.

The Joker is only a criminal to Batman. A dangerous criminal that hurts his people, but a criminal none the less.

Crime should get just as much time as Batman, only in the context of it being stopped by Batman.

Because...it's always been like that since Joker's creation right? Oh wait...no you're wrong it hasn't

 

[Mr. Socko]

Well of course they went to see BATMAN kickass. And be...Batmanish.

But they know The Joker is coming. I mean when that Joker card was shown..before it was even flipped. People went nuts. And this is maryland. That doesn't happen often It's hard to get a clap out of people.

People want to see what can be the ultimate showdown between the best Batman yet and The Joker.

Not exploring that would be wrong and unfair not just to comic fans but to people who's never really seen it outside of TAS which was still a cartoon.

You don't need to see Joker byhimself or with goons. You can show him with Dent or Gordon or Batman or killing people etc. And still have him be Batman. That's how I'm doing it(uh oh self plug) my script I'm...been working on for 10 months...I got busy okay. I had Joker tormenting Dent and even stabbing Gordon. Only really one scene with him and his guys alone. And in that he kills one of them.

He didn't overtake Batman or hell even Dent for that matter. But he still got enough play to make it a good Batman vs Joker story. Now I'm not expecting it to be done the same way. Cause...I'm not a proffesional But side lining Joker...there's no excuse you could give to make up for such a thing. And it's very easy to tie in Bruce's psychological torment with Joker's for some great stuff...that doesn't even have Joker mentioned let alone around for.

You gonna post your Batman script on the Internet?

I know a few who'd love to read it

And yes, Joker should be the main villian.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Oh, ok. I think I get it now...Ming thinks Joker should get as much if not more screen time as Bats and Mr. Socko thinks he shouldn't? If so then I'm with Mr. Socko on this.

 

[Ronny Shade]

It's funny that they complain about stuff like that in B89 etc.

Yet Joker appearing in shadow and etc until the very end is revolutionary and kickass.

didn't you say you thought it was gonna suck?

 

[Mr. Socko]

I know he won't be. I am just confused with what Mr. Socko and Ming have been arguing over or something.

How do you know he won't be

 

[zer00]

didn't you say you thought it was gonna suck?

I believe that's the point I was getting across

You gonna post your Batman script on the Internet?

I know a few who'd love to read it

And yes, Joker should be the main villian.

When I finish it, I was planning on it

Oh, ok. I think I get it now...Ming thinks Joker should get as much if not more screen time as Bats and Mr. Socko thinks he shouldn't? If so then I'm with Mr. Socko on this.

Run along

 

[trustyside-kick]

Lol. There are like 4 different conversations happening within this thread at the moment. Starting to get wierd.

 

[Katsuro]

Im really glad they're not making this another Joker film, with a cameo by that batman guy. This is Batman's story, first and foremost.

I like the idea of him taking a while to reveal himself. Have Batman showing off his detective skills to find this guy, while trying to deal with another problem (the Black Mask/Maroni/Penguin arms deal). Eventually, Joker's grand plan is revealed and all hell breaks loose.

Then we can bring him back for the third film, where Two-Face tries to get revenge on Joker for what he did to his face. Instead of having Joker a large villain in one movie, then getting rid of him for good (like B'89). Keep him as a constant nuisance. In the comic books, even when there are other main villains at work "Holiday, Hush, etc", Joker is still there, causing trouble for Batman.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

there are lots of ways to work this. batman is still just setting up shop. joker is still just getting started. like i've said in this thread before, it's plausible that the joker develops criminally as well. because this is part of an origin trilogy exploring the earliest work of batman, this gives us an opportunity to explore the joker's development as a maniacal criminal as well.

i just want a story told well and i want audiences dying to come back for the third. a satisfying story involving the joker, leading toward a bang-up climax in the 3rd won't disappoint audiences so long as they've got an interesting support story. did people come out to see begins because it had the joker? no! i mean seriously... they're going to come anyway, and any joker involvement will keep them interested, especially if its moving toward something awesomer. anyway... i'm just rambling now.

Hey, Babsy, where ya been hiding? Good to see you over here in the sequel forum.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that, as BOF told it some time back, it seems that the story in BB2 is really about Batman building his alliance with Harvey and Jim, and the three of them fighting their war on crime on several fronts since, unlike in the comics, here the bad guys are going to be all doing their thing simultaneously.

It seems that the Joker's role is that he's making life more difficult for EVERYBODY. He keeps showing up and screwing things up, and generally being a maniacal pain in the ass. This was the impression that I got last fall, anyway, and this news about Joker seems to confirm that.

So, what you just said is 100% true. Or, real talk as people say around here.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Oh, ok. I think I get it now...Ming thinks Joker should get as much if not more screen time as Bats and Mr. Socko thinks he shouldn't? If so then I'm with Mr. Socko on this.

I think Batman should get 59%, Joker get 39%

 

[Ming]

Because...it's always been like that since Joker's creation right? Oh wait...no you're wrong it hasn't

Cybermen, activate your vocaders! Insert your logic chips! We must communicate with the Doctor!

 

[zer00]

I think Batman should get 59%, Joker get 39%

Nah that would be too less for Dent,Gordon and Alfred. Step Batman's up a few notches along with Mista J's and then you got a fine plan.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Im really glad they're not making this another Joker film, with a cameo by that batman guy. This is Batman's story, first and foremost.

I like the idea of him taking a while to reveal himself. Have Batman showing off his detective skills to find this guy, while trying to deal with another problem (the Black Mask/Maroni/Penguin arms deal). Eventually, Joker's grand plan is revealed and all hell breaks loose.

Then we can bring him back for the third film, where Two-Face tries to get revenge on Joker for what he did to his face. Instead of having Joker a large villain in one movie, then getting rid of him for good (like B'89). Keep him as a constant nuisance. In the comic books, even when there are other main villains at work "Holiday, Hush, etc", Joker is still there, causing trouble for Batman.

Me likes. Your whole idea about him having to do some real detective work on figuring out who is this guy that Gordon was talking about at the end of the first film is awesome.

Wait...you want Joker to be responsible for Harvey's accident? Why?

 

[Mr. Socko]

Im really glad they're not making this another Joker film, with a cameo by that batman guy. This is Batman's story, first and foremost.

No, the pale guy with red lips should get a small cameo only.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I believe that's the point I was getting across

I can never tell when youre joking.


hail lane!

 

[zer00]

Wait...you want Joker to be responsible for Harvey's accident? Why?

Goyer said BB3 would start with Joker on trial and him scarring Dent.

 

[Robin91939]

In response to the "small and mysterious" I only have this to say:
(I posted this in another thread, but it wasn't responded to because people were acting immature and the thread was closed)

I LOVE this. I mean COME ON! Some of the best villain performances were done with VERY little screen time:

- Dr. Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins): The Silence of the Lambs
- John Doe (Kevin Spacey): Se7en
- Doctor Octopus (Alfred Molina): Spider-man 2
- Liam Neeson (Ra's Al Ghul): Batman Begins

And soon to be:
- Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) Superman Returns

All of these villains have VERY little screen time in their respected movies (Liam as Ra's had little screen-time, as Ra's) and did amazing convincing jobs.

Especially in the Joker's case, the more out and about and longer he is on screen the easier it becomes to ruin the character, and make him seem campy and silly. I love this dark approach.

Simply enough....simplicity works. A small part often steals a movie, and is what people remember most. That's what the Joker should do. The movie should FOCUS on Batman, but Joker should STEAL every scene that they share, and that he apears in. Well not so much steal the scene from Batman, but enhance it amazingly.

-R

 

[Katsuro]

No, the pale guy with red lips should get a small cameo only.

did you even read the news report. He said it was NOT a cameo. You know, "not a cameo" as in, the opposite of "a cameo".

 

[zer00]

did you even read the news report. He said it was NOT a cameo. You know, "not a cameo" as in, the opposite of "a cameo".

And with Jett that could mean he's seen fully in the movie for 5 minutes.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Goyer said BB3 would start with Joker on trial and him scarring Dent.

Oh, I did not hear about that. So I guess they won't introduce Sal Maroni and such? I loved The Long Halloween.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

People went nuts. And this is maryland.

You live in Maryland? What part of Maryland? I bet I could throw a rock and hit you.

 

[zer00]

Oh, I did not hear about that. So I guess they won't introduce Sal Maroni and such? I loved The Long Halloween.

No. Joker scarring Dent is a pretty cool idea. Shows that Nolan and Goyer have really god down some basic "cool points" for all 3 movies.