The Dark Knight What are your biggest Dark Knight Fears?

[Cinemaman]

I'm not too fussed about the legth of the fights... it's just the visual quality is a complete shambles. I mean, the Batman Begins "fight scenes" can't even be called "fight scenes", because you couldn't ****ing see them! Hell knows what Nolan was trying to pull off with that one... he messed up big time.

Hey, it is your opinion.

As for me, I thought action in BB was good, but I hope Nolan will a bit change his style in sequels.

Besides, Nolan wanted to show Batman as quick fighter, who shows only one thing - fear.

Thats all.

 

[Mr. Vice]

All the fight scenes were a little "claustrophobic" (With the exception of the final confrontation between Batman and Ra's). Nolan does need to film the fighting sequences with better angles.

 

[Ronny Shade]

There is difference between Nolan and Burton. Nolan was faithful with comics and fans, besides, he didn't want to make so big hit.

Burton didn't change strategy in BR, he just introduced new vissual style and changed some details. But formula was the same from B89, there was just more action.

Talking about Nolan., I think he is going to change formula of the usual superhero movie sequel.

And Goyer also came back to write treatment for TDk, what means, we won't be disappointed.

I doubt Nolan wants to make his movie, not Batman. Also, as we know, new formulas usually work with sequels (Godfather 2, T2, Aliens), so the same will happen with TDK.

I've been a Burton-hater for a long time. Most of you know this about me. But lately, I had a revelation. I watched Batman Begins and realized ....It's not perfect either. True Nolan did a better job than Burton did, but that doesn't mean Nolan's vision is perfection. Burton changed things from the comic, but he also kept a lot of things that Nolan didn't....the "look" of the Burton films is inherantly cartoony and fantastical (as are all Burton films) but...Things are inevitably that way in the comic as well. Things are larger than life...somewhat artificial and overly iconic as opposed to realistic in comics. Nolan changed that (as well as some story aspects, some character aspects, heck, Nolan changed a lot). I don't fault Nolan for diverging from the comics, because i think to a certain extent some of that stuff doesn't work well on screen. It's entirely possible....even probable that if we ever do get another "reboot" on the Batman film franchise, that it's even better than this franchise.

Though I doubt anyone'll ever top Bale.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

All the fight scenes were a little "claustrophobic" (With the exception of the final confrontation between Batman and Ra's). Nolan does need to film the fighting sequences with better angles.

Seriously though, that Gotham Docks "s-h-i-t-e scene" had to be the worst fight scene I have ever seen in my entire life.

Yes, Nolan was trying to point out that Batman is fast as ****... but he just went COMPLETELY over the top.

Even the final fight scene on the train was difficult to make out. I have to squint my eyes to see what's going on... sort it out Nolan you complete tart!

 

[Ronny Shade]

The docks scene is one of my favorite scenes in the movie

 

[Mr. Superhero]

The docks scene is one of my favorite scenes in the movie

I was referring to the fight scene. The fight scene was one of the worst fight scene's I've ever seen.

Don't tell me you liked that too... you did, didn't you?

 

[Ronny Shade]

Loved it

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Loved it

Europe!

 

[Mr. Vice]

The docks scene is one of my favorite scenes in the movie

The fight scenes weren't "bad", per say, because you really felt the fear that the victims were feeling. I just wished Nolan filmed it just a little farther away so I could see all of the destruction Batman was doing.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Tim Burton went by the 1930s very early version of Bob Kane's Batman, before Robin, where he was jsut a "mysterious figure of the night" that seemed to appear and dissapear at will, which is why we didn't get much info about Bruce/Batman physiological make up and when he used to kill the viliians.

Schumacher seemed to embraced the Batman of the 1950 with the bright lights and gaudy, over the top, giant Typewriters and props and psuedo-campiness of that time in comics in general.

Of course Nolan went the opposite of boh men and made a deep provocotive look at the phycological make of Bruce Wayne and Batman in the 'Year one' storyline and 'the Long Halloween'.

PersonallY I like the way he did the fight scenes and I hope he do that the same for TDK.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Europe!

 

[Cinemaman]

The fight scenes weren't "bad", per say, because you really felt the fear that the victims were feeling. I just wished Nolan filmed it just a little farther away so I could see all of the destruction Batman was doing.

Thats what I am saying

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Alan Partridge quote - He's British...

It's a more cooler way of saying: "Fair enough."

 

[Mr. Vice]

I've been a Burton-hater for a long time. Most of you know this about me. But lately, I had a revelation. I watched Batman Begins and realized ....It's not perfect either. True Nolan did a better job than Burton did, but that doesn't mean Nolan's vision is perfection. Burton changed things from the comic, but he also kept a lot of things that Nolan didn't....the "look" of the Burton films is inherantly cartoony and fantastical (as are all Burton films) but...Things are inevitably that way in the comic as well. Things are larger than life...somewhat artificial and overly iconic as opposed to realistic in comics. Nolan changed that (as well as some story aspects, some character aspects, heck, Nolan changed a lot). I don't fault Nolan for diverging from the comics, because i think to a certain extent some of that stuff doesn't work well on screen. It's entirely possible....even probable that if we ever do get another "reboot" on the Batman film franchise, that it's even beeter than this franchise.

Though I doubt anyone'll ever top Bale.

So, I take it that you're dream Batman director would have combined visions of Nolan and Burton?

 

[Ronny Shade]

Alan Partridge quote - He's British...

It's a more cooler way of saying: "Fair enough."

Okay then...Europe!


I kinda like it

 

[Ronny Shade]

So, I take it that you're dream Batman director would have combined visions of Nolan and Burton?

Maybe. I'm not sure what I want. I also spelled "better" wrong.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Okay then...Europe!


I kinda like it

You've got style.

 

[Steelsheen]

So, I take it that you're dream Batman director would have combined visions of Nolan and Burton?

dude if we could only find a director like that.....

 

[Mr. Vice]

dude if we could only find a director like that.....

Man, that would be something unbelievable....

 

[kenellard]

The fight scenes weren't "bad", per say, because you really felt the fear that the victims were feeling. I just wished Nolan filmed it just a little farther away so I could see all of the destruction Batman was doing.

Really? I felt more like I was watching a poorly shot fight scene. This was a gimmick that simply didn't work IMO, so I hope they drop it for the sequel. The fact that an explaination is required as to why those scenes didn't suck from a visual standpoint should be enough to convince people that they didn't achieve the desired effect.

 

[7Hells]

You're getting ready for some kick ass fighting scenes, and all you see is a couple of shadows, a few fists... and KABOOM!! It's over before you know it.

Im a big KABOOM!! fan.

I mean, the Batman Begins "fight scenes" can't even be called "fight scenes", because you couldn't ****ing see them! Hell knows what Nolan was trying to pull off with that one... he messed up big time.

I liked the way Nolan shot the fight scenes because it demonstrated the contrast between Batman fighting a formidable enemy compared to fighting stooges.

 

[TRUE]

That the posters on these boards with stupid ideas have them delivered in The Dark Knight.

COSIGN

 

[Cinemaman]

I've been a Burton-hater for a long time. Most of you know this about me. But lately, I had a revelation. I watched Batman Begins and realized ....It's not perfect either. True Nolan did a better job than Burton did, but that doesn't mean Nolan's vision is perfection. Burton changed things from the comic, but he also kept a lot of things that Nolan didn't....the "look" of the Burton films is inherantly cartoony and fantastical (as are all Burton films) but...Things are inevitably that way in the comic as well. Things are larger than life...somewhat artificial and overly iconic as opposed to realistic in comics. Nolan changed that (as well as some story aspects, some character aspects, heck, Nolan changed a lot). I don't fault Nolan for diverging from the comics, because i think to a certain extent some of that stuff doesn't work well on screen. It's entirely possible....even probable that if we ever do get another "reboot" on the Batman film franchise, that it's even better than this franchise.

Though I doubt anyone'll ever top Bale.

Yes, I'll agree with you, Nolan didn't make perfect movie, but he made one of the best superhero movies at nowadays IMO.

In vissual style, honestly, I can't say one of them was better than another. In Burton's movies, there was great, but also too gothic vissual style.

In BB, there was also amazing vision (especially on Gotham), but it was too realistic.

So I loved them both, but their visions had also negative aspects.

Nolan changed a lot, because he didn't want to make just a requel to Burton's movies. He was very faithful to comics.

And even if he didn't read so much, he had known this and that is why he had asked Goyer for writting the script.

What about cast, in this case, BB had greater actors than B89 or BR.

But still, both visions were great.

I hope next time, we will really have director, who has compined vision of both Burton's and Nolan's. But he also can have his own.

 

[The Batman]

1. That Nolan will become over indulgent and make a movie suited to his tastes, not a true batflick.

2. That the action will still suck

3. That Nolan will take stupid fanboy ideas

4. That Joker wont have the basics, or the style that makes him so unique

5. That Bruce will become the 1 dimensional psycho version of Batman that we see in All Star, and post crisis comics from the late 90's till 2005.

6. That the story wont be as compelling as Begins.

7. That Bruce wont be the Genius he's supposed to be.

 

[drunkhomer]

i'm scared michael caine's old ticker may stop due to his old age....hurry up and film da movie god damnit!!!