The Dark Knight What are your biggest Dark Knight Fears?

[DA Harvey Dent]

I don't have any fears. Fears are for people who nitpick too much. Nolan did an admirable in BB, and I trust him to do the same for TDK.

 

[Darknightnomis]

I think it's a legitimate concern because of the history of how the director make the sequel to a Batman movies. Fear maybe a little to strong a word.

My concerns first and foremost is that Nolan will pull another "Burton" with the sequel.

I love the first Burton Batman.

it was just what I was looking for in a Batman movie (for that time),basically anything to wipe away the camp of the Television show and a nod to Dark Knight Returns, at least in the gothic look and style of Batman, and 'The Killing Joke', in that the Joker would be sickly twisted, which he was.

And we highly anticipated the sequel. Burton "gets it".

However, the sequel was less than satisfying to me becasue I felt Batman was in th e background of his own movie and it was more about catwoman and the Penguin. Plus the weirdness of it all was to much.

There's a fine line from something being considered 'Dark' and something just being weird (Penguins in a sewer? A yellow Duck as a get away car?)

Apparently I wasn't the only one who felt that way because they went with another director for 'Forever' and Schumacher changed the style of the movies altogether, but at the smae time keep some of the inital 'darkness' of the first Burton movie (Finding his father's book, the bat in the cave to show his destiny)

And he actually concentrate on Bruce Wayne as a character!!! I couldn't believe it! Batman alter ego as more than the daytime face of Batman in his own movie! it was about time!

Campy? Yeah, but not enough to hurt the movie. Say whatever you want about 'Batman Forever' it keep that franchise alive and some say resurrected it.

And we highly anticipated the sequel. Schumacher "gets it".

And then came out... 'Batman and Robin"!

Ugh! Too much crap in that movie to talk about and it makes me sick to my stomach just to think about that movie. But we all know the aftertaste.

The only good thing about 'Batman And Robin' was that it was the reason we got the very good and realistic styling of 'Batman Begins'.

So here we are now at the same place we've been before, the sequel of a good (actually great) Batman movie with And we highly anticipated the sequel. Nolan "gets it".

Well, history will say we should be concern. Nothing to fear, but concern. Although I hope Nolan will be smart enough to learn from the "sins" of the previuos directors .

My Concerns....

It will be more of a Chris Nolan Movie and not a Batman Movie (See the sequels of previous Batman movie directors)

Batman/Bruce Wayne will be secondary in the plot and not the protagonist for the movie. This is what hurts the previous Batman movies.

Heath Ledger as the Joker. I dont' think it's a bad choice, but it's not a good one either. this will be interesting. Although I think Nolan is going for a contrast of Nicholson's "over the top" Joker so that there will be no real comparisons in style.

No gradual progression of the character(s) and equipment. Cars, suits, homes, etc. should progress. Batman isn't begining again so throw the prototypes away and give us things that looks and feel like they've been improved on during the time between movies (I.e. the Tumbler need to reflect BAtman as a "symbol")

Going "Too Dark". The atmosphere and mood of 'Begins' was perfect for a Batman movie. but don't go over board. This isn't a horror movie, it's a Batman movie. Have elements of a horror movie in it (Scarecrow fear toxin), but don't go crazy with it an make it "the gruge III".

Overhype! the cool thing about Batman Begins was that it started out almost like a "Cult movie" and then it gradually grew to be the "movie to see" for the summer. And I think this is becasue of the way WB promoted 'Batman Begins" by letting word of mouth spread through people and it work. Turn the hype machine up a little but not to "Spidey 3" level.

Catering to internet fanboys. We don't need fight scenes throughout this whole movie, and they don't have to be spectacular dance routine numbers in the choragraphy ("THIS IS NOT A DANCE!") the style for 'Begins' was pefect. It felt like You was in the fight and it was tense.

And you don't have to KILL of Rachael (or not have Katie HOlmes in it) to make this movie work. She was good in 'Begins' and can work for the sequel.

Bat nipples! Nuff said (see my signature)

Hopefully Nolan will ease all my "concerns" with The DarK Knight. At least I know he got the title right, so cool.

 

[Rynan]

I have fears about the noobs in these boards. You know the "Have The Joker Kill Rachael, Carve a Smile and Rape Her while wearing a wig and lipstick" kind.

My fear is that they will have a say in what's in the movie.

 

[Batnam]

I think the movie willb e incredible. With Jonathan Nolan writing, I'm hoping for more of a detective story.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

I think the movie willb e incredible. With Jonathan Nolan writing, I'm hoping for more of a detective story.

Yeah I think that aswell. Batman on the trail of the Joker. Investigating, finding clues. It probably will be more psychological too. Batman feeling responsible for the fact that more .... ''supervillains'' appear in the city. And all that.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Yeah I think that aswell. Batman on the trail of the Joker. Investigating, finding clues. It probably will be more psychological too. Batman feeling responsible for the fact that more .... ''supervillains'' appear in the city. And all that.

That would be a great premise for the movie. Batman feeling gulity for escalating crime when his pupose was to eradicate it, would be perfect.

Overcoming Fear was the theme of 'Begins", Overcoming Gulit could be the theme on TDK.

But a little delving into the Joker's psyche would be nice too. Just a little though. Maybe playing off 'The Kiling Joke' theme of everyone is just "One bad day away" fom being just like him.

A phychological mystery thriller type Batman movie instead of an action packed one. ANd we all know Nolan can make those type of movies (Momento, insomnia)

 

[Cinemaman]

Don't know about you, guys, but I have no doubts or fears, except only one - possibility of TDK turning into next BR.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Don't know about you, guys, but I have no doubts or fears, except only one - possibility of TDK turning into next BR.

And that's based on...?

There is absolutely no way in hell something like that will happen. Never.
Just look at the cast and crew. And you know enough.

 

[Sharkboy]

My only fear is that i could die b4 watching it

 

[fabman]

OH MY GOD, NO! FANBOY ATTACK!!!!

 

[Cinemaman]

And that's based on...?

There is absolutely no way in hell something like that will happen. Never.
Just look at the cast and crew. And you know enough.

You didn't get this.

My fear is that Nolan will make it like his movie with just Batman and characters from Bat-world, but everything another will not be like normal Batman movie (BB as example). That can happen, but i doubt it.

 

[7Hells]

Please god no...

I'm sorry Katsuro, all I can say is YES! YES! to that image.
I am worried though, not my first or second choice

The third film will be about Two Face and Batman I doubt the Joker will even make an apperance.

We dont know that for sure

 

[Darknightnomis]

And that's based on...?

There is absolutely no way in hell something like that will happen. Never.
Just look at the cast and crew. And you know enough.

Never say Never.

It's happened before...Twice in fact. Batman movie sequels have been lower quality than the directors inital movie.


Let's hope history don't repeat itself.

 

[Cinemaman]

The third film will be about Two Face and Batman I doubt the Joker will even make an apperance.

What? Are you kidding?

Joker will be one of the main characters in 3rd movie (except of course Batman, 2Face and maybe Gordon). Maybe he will even have the final fight with batman, and that would be awesome to see.

But i can't see Joker not coming back in 3rd movie.

Besides he will be scarring Dent on the trial.

 

[Mr. Vice]

Never say Never.

It's happened before...Twice in fact. Batman movie sequels have been lower quality than the directors inital movie.


Let's hope history don't repeat itself.

That will not happen. I guarantee that. There are just too many positive things being announced about this movie every other day. From Jonathan Nolan handling the screenplay to Jerry Robinson being an advisor for the movie. I can't see this being any worse than BB.

 

[Steelsheen]

current fears:

-- Ledger will be a dissapointing Joker
-- Phillippe (if cast) will be a dissapointing Dent
-- the improved bat suit looking worse than the BB version
-- Nolan's "different" take on TDK ruining the successful formula that worked for BB
-- Batman/ Bruce Wayne being too dependent on other people on matters he should be doing on his own: needing a "Q" to think him up some gadgets, needing a chaufer to get him out of tight spots et al.


that's it so far. hopefully it will get shorter and not longer.

 

[Cinemaman]

That will not happen. I guarantee that. There are just too many positive things being announced about this movie every other day. From Jonathan Nolan handling the screenplay to Jerry Robinson being an advisor for the movie. I can't see this being any worse than BB.

Yes, you're right.

Positive:
- Christopher Nolan as director
- Jonathan Nolan as screenwriter
- Goyer as storyteller
- Cast (including Ledger)
- Robinson as advisor
- New formula (what usually works for great sequels)
- Darker movie than BB

 

[Mr. Vice]

Yes, you're right.

Positive:
- Christopher Nolan as director
- Jonathan Nolan as screenwriter
- Goyer as storyteller
- Cast (including Ledger)
- Robinson as advisor
- New formula (what usually works for great sequels)
- Darker movie than BB

Exactly. That's why I have absolutely no fears, right now. There's too good things occuring with the production of this movie for me to be afraid of something.

 

[Darknightnomis]

That will not happen. I guarantee that. There are just too many positive things being announced about this movie every other day. From Jonathan Nolan handling the screenplay to Jerry Robinson being an advisor for the movie. I can't see this being any worse than BB.

Wait a mintue...where have I heard that before......

Oh Yeah.......right after the First 'Batman movie in 1989' and then after 'Batman Forever' in 1995.

"Burton got it right" and then Shcumacher "brought it back".

Yeah, okay, right!(sarcasm)

Hey, I'm a card carring member of I.N.W.T. (In Nolan We Trust) and I don't have any fears per say, but all I'm saying is that we've been burned before by directors we trusted, explicitly, to continue a make a substainal legacy for the Batman in movies and it didn't happen.

So All I'm saying is that I am cautiously optimistic.

Hey fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[Mr. Superhero]

My only fear is these flashing fight scenes we seem to get.

You're getting ready for some kick ass fighting scenes, and all you see is a couple of shadows, a few fists... and KABOOM!! It's over before you know it.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I fear that Liam Neeson is secretly going to be the Joker.

 

[Cinemaman]

My only fear is these flashing fight scenes we seem to get.

You're getting ready for some kick ass fighting scenes, and all you see is a couple of shadows, a few fists... and KABOOM!! It's over before you know it.

Yeah, I also would like to see more in fights. But still, they should be short.

 

[Cinemaman]

I fear that Liam Neeson is secretly going to be the Joker.

Nowhere

 

[Mr. Superhero]

Yeah, I also would like to see more in fights. But still, they should be short.

I'm not too fussed about the legth of the fights... it's just the visual quality is a complete shambles. I mean, the Batman Begins "fight scenes" can't even be called "fight scenes", because you couldn't ****ing see them! Hell knows what Nolan was trying to pull off with that one... he messed up big time.

 

[Cinemaman]

Wait a mintue...where have I heard that before......

Oh Yeah.......right after the First 'Batman movie in 1989' and then after 'Batman Forever' in 1995.

"Burton got it right" and then Shcumacher "brought it back".

Yeah, okay, right!(sarcasm)

Hey, I'm a card carring member of I.N.W.T. (In Nolan We Trust) and I don't have any fears per say, but all I'm saying is that we've been burned before by directors we trusted, explicitly, to continue a make a substainal legacy for the Batman in movies and it didn't happen.

So All I'm saying is that I am cautiously optimistic.

Hey fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

There is difference between Nolan and Burton. Nolan was faithful to comics and fans, besides, he didn't want to make so big hit.

Burton didn't change strategy in BR, he just introduced new vissual style and changed some details. But formula was the same from B89, there was just more action.

Talking about Nolan, I think he is going to change formula of the usual superhero movie sequel.

And Goyer also came back to write treatment for TDK, what means, we won't be disappointed.

I doubt Nolan wants to make his movie, not Batman. Also, as we know, new formulas usually work with sequels (Godfather 2, T2, Aliens), so the same will happen with TDK.