What are your complaints? What would you do differently? *SPOILERS*

[Dispatch Ninja]

Okay...another development on the suit in the ship....




So maybe it was just really stretchy material.

This is the most likely scenario. The art book mentions that there are numerous kryptonian skinsuits in the pods ready for the crew members when they need them.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Respectfully disagree here.

This was a major plot point in the movie, how humanity will deal with existence of extra-terrestrials, and this was not resolved at all, nor was it properly addressed. I've said this in other threads, a scene of world leaders/Presidents discussing how to deal with this problem of "we aren't alone in the universe" should have been part of this film. I'm sure it will be part of the next film (and if its not, its criminally neglectful of the writer/director) but it should have been here, as it would have at least wrapped up that plot point.

That's one thing I couldn't stand. We get beat over the head the whole first half of the movie with Jonathan Kent's "The earth may not accept you blah blah blah" and nothing really ever comes of it...unless Lois and Elliot from SVU are supposed to represent all of humanity.

 

[writer0327]

If Lois didn't know who Superman is in MOS that would've completely negated Lois' character and no one would take her seriously. At least the fact that she knows who Superman is could give rise to interesting moral debates in future sequels. For instance, say we get a Coleman Reese scenario from TDK in MOS II, Lois would face immense pressure in having to either protect Clark, or expose and endanger his life.

They didn't "kill it," because that was never their intention in the first place. In all honesty, I respect the Lois-Clark dynamic from the comic books but it's way too campy and unrealistic to adapt to movies that are attempting to be grounded.

Seems like most of Clark's classmates from Smallville can put two and two together as well and know Supes identity. Unless we are to believe they are simple rubes who couldn't figure it out, especially when a reporter was wandering around asking about him.

Maybe the writers should just ditch the whole Clark Kent identity all together. Just make it about Superman.

 

[bullets]

Hell yeah .... or how's about a scene where Supes is helping put a wall or giant beam back up or something that normally would take a crane.

Superman could easily save the city a lot of man hours.

 

[bullets]

This is the most likely scenario. The art book mentions that there are numerous kryptonian skinsuits in the pods ready for the crew members when they need them.

I think Jor El explained the mission plan behind several of these ships on different planets , but I can't remember the details.

 

[Lone]

He's been Superman for like a few days. He's allowed to make mistakes.

The reaction from people here is quite telling. Here is this alien being who has put himself out there in the line of fire to save the world and the thanks he gets is "with his powers, why doesn't he help rebuild Metropolis?".

That's what construction workers are for. You want Superman to do their jobs too? People didn't expect The Avengers to rebuild NY, did they.

 

[Frodo]

He's been Superman for like a few days. He's allowed to make mistakes.

The reaction from people here is quite telling. Here is this alien being who has put himself out there in the line of fire to save the world and the thanks he gets is "with his powers, why doesn't he help rebuild Metropolis?".

That's what construction workers are for. You want Superman to do their jobs too? People didn't expect The Avengers to rebuild NY, did they.

I agree, I think the thing is that in MOS he's basically forced into several catch 22 situations to which he's unprepared for. This isn't the Reeve Superman who trained from like 18 to 32 on how to hoan his powers or to be endowed with this great wisdom to make the right choices.

Whether it was the school bus incident, John Kent's public death, fighting the Phantom Zone army with bystanders every where, or even how he ultimately had to deal with Zod imo, he was always in impossible circumstances in which he had to make judgement calls which werent always the best. That was the point. They wanted to challenge this Clark Kent in ways that he hadn't been challenged before and to show that he does make mistakes and that he didn't always have the right answers.

The writers didn't want to give him easy outs like turning the world backwards, getting the powers you gave away back, kissing Lois so she would forget everything, or being able to return to helping people after he went around the world causing trouble and threatened people while leaving a bar. Not saying the original films were the only ones to do things like that because lord knows L&C and Smallville had their fair share of mind wipes and alternate dimensions to bring back dead characters.

What I loved about this film is that Clark was put in positions that couldn't be solved with some plot device . They were real choices he had to make and real trade off's to every right or wrong choice he made.

 

[spider-neil]

After downing a surveillance drone (sent to gather intel on Superman) Superman says,

'I grew up in Kansas'

He might have well added,

'On Lexington Drive, where I attended Smallville elementary'

One reporter was able to track him down and Superman just gave the military a great starting point to search.

 

[spider-neil]

If there is it means that it was an even bigger and longer mess. That's a red flag right there if the first 'instinct' ended up in something 3 hrs. or more.

I thought the movie was too long but if they release a DC I'm buying it.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

After downing a surveillance drone (sent to gather intel on Superman) Superman says,

'I grew up in Kansas'

He might have well added,

'On Lexington Drive, where I attended Smallville elementary'

One reporter was able to track him down and Superman just gave the military a great starting point to search.

They would be wasting time though. Clark Kent the journalist, decided to wear clothes and glasses that cannot disguise his Superman face for his very life. Sure, Lois knows he is Superman from the start now, so she's not a problem, but Perry, all the Daily Planet staff that works with Clark and will some day see Superman in person or in a picture will be beyond idiocy if they can't connect the dots. Not to mention Smallville inhabitants.

 

[bullets]

I was under the impression Perry knew his identity. I guess they could make it work , but it would be kind of odd if he didn't catch on eventually.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I was under the impression Perry knew his identity. I guess they could make it work , but it would be kind of odd if he didn't catch on eventually.

Maybe, like Lois, the whole world will know and they will just pretend they don't?

 

[bullets]

Maybe, like Lois, the whole world will know and they will just pretend they don't?

Probably just the people close to him. People like Perry would help conceal his identity. I can think of several reasons why the employees would want to keep Clark a secret.

 

[Liam_H]

The whole world will know and pretend they don't? I kind of find that hard to believe.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

The whole world will know and pretend they don't? I kind of find that hard to believe.

I know, I think the same. But it is certainly easy to make the connections between Superman and Clark. Lois took hours and it's not like Smalville people are very secretive about it when asked.

Traditionally, he created the "Clark Kent" journalist persona to hide his identity. But in MOS they just decided that wasn't part of the game so now Clark Kent doesn't even try to hide his Superman face. It's the exact same face, hair, attitude, but with some glasses that don't change much his face.

 

[sf2]

I know, I think the same. But it is certainly easy to make the connections between Superman and Clark. Lois took hours and it's not like Smalville people are very secretive about it when asked.

Traditionally, he created the "Clark Kent" journalist persona to hide his identity. But in MOS they just decided that wasn't part of the game so now Clark Kent doesn't even try to hide his Superman face. It's the exact same face, hair, attitude, but with some glasses that don't change much his face.

let them tackle this issue in MOS2, shall we?

 

[KalMart]

I know, I think the same. But it is certainly easy to make the connections between Superman and Clark. Lois took hours and it's not like Smalville people are very secretive about it when asked.

Traditionally, he created the "Clark Kent" journalist persona to hide his identity. But in MOS they just decided that wasn't part of the game so now Clark Kent doesn't even try to hide his Superman face. It's the exact same face, hair, attitude, but with some glasses that don't change much his face.

The military can't figure out where he 'hangs his cape'...but they'd just have to show up to Lois' place of work to see where he hangs his coat.

 

[BH/HHH]

Not on the level of a General, who wasn't some fatso sitting in a war room, but a "man of action", clearly trained in combat. You really have to suspend your disbelief to make that work.

Ah well didn't bother me at all. I think you have to remember its a film about a flying alien at the end of the day so you have to suspend disbelief now and then. I just think cause he already had a child in a natural way he clearly wasn't of the norm so I believe he just did some training.

 

[sf2]

Hell yeah .... or how's about a scene where Supes is helping put a wall or giant beam back up or something that normally would take a crane.

sometimes, i think movie isn't enough for u, u want a real superman!

 

[BH/HHH]

I thought the movie was too long but if they release a DC I'm buying it.

Don't you think films usually seem longer in the cinema though? I've found that with a few films then when I've watched them at home I haven't noticed.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

I would have written a totally different movie.

I didn't have a problem with the "serious sci-fi" they tried to inject, like the masks the Kryptonians wore since they weren't adapted to Earth and such thing but overall the movie was just weirdly written. There was no structure.

 

[Daybreak_st]

Not only that, but there was destruction in Superman II as well. Bodies were crashing into buildings, buses and cars were tossed around, a crater was created, electronic signs were destroyed (which was also the same type of product placement people act like MoS is only guilty of) & Supes himself went flying through the DP. It was just handled more tongue in cheek like that whole series was & the fact that the battle didn't reach the level of MoS, IMO, is partially a function of technology more than wholesomeness of character.

There was also a poignant moment in which Superman stops...surveys the damage and leaves. He is visibly concerned with what's going on. If affects him. That's why people complain about the new film, he didn't have to save everyone, but we never even get a reaction from regarding the destruction etc and potential loss of life.

 

[Daybreak_st]

It really isn't shown though. That's what's missing from this film....the character of Superman, his persona, what he believes in and stands for, why he goes about fighting crime, evil, and oppression at every turn. The triumph of belief, the hope for humanity, the fight for truth and justice....this is Superman and it's not clearly portrayed in this film.

If its "Superman Begins", as you say, then they still haven't finished the movie, because by the time the film is wrapped up, we should see the core of who Superman is, with all full evidence of his characteristic traits. If there is more to be fleshed out in the next film, then what was this film for?

See I totally agree with this. Despite some plot holes and the overall melancholy tone the whole film could've been salvage with some epic "save the day" Superman. Where you would understand why he inspires people and why the look up to him. Yes the action was great but that doesn't inspire anyone. That's what the film misses the mark on. I've yet to read any REAL reason while some significant saves were missing from the film. "Zod was hitting him, how could he save anyone" maybe it was written in the script . He shows up just in time to catch a falling Lois out of the plane that if she hadn't fallen out of would've been sucked into the PZ, but him saving ANYONE else would've been too "unrealistic"

 

[Senator Pleasury]

let them tackle this issue in MOS2, shall we?

I guess. Now they take 3 movies to explain what they used to do in 1.

The military can't figure out where he 'hangs his cape'...but they'd just have to show up to Lois' place of work to see where he hangs his coat.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

I guess. Now they take 3 movies to explain what they used to do in 1.

That's Hollywood for you.