What are your complaints? What would you do differently? *SPOILERS*

[SentinelMind]

I would have had Pa Kent escort Clark away from tornado in protective fashion, Clark pleading to help, but Pa insisting he stay away...and have Pa Kent save some more people, instead of a friggin dog...and then when Pa Kent is in danger...Clark rushes in to save him, but he doesn't make it, and Pa says his final words to Clark that he loves him and wants the best for him. Clark feels guilt thinking if he had been more assertive, defied his father, showed him that now is the time for him to step in, stepped out of his father's shadow, he could have saved the day. The people of Smallville sees it, start questioning some more...then Clark just runs away (after saying bye to his Mom) to discover himself...and he becomes an urban legend.

I think that would have been a better way to handle it then Pa Kent standing there sticking out his palm and disappearing in the wind like a ghost...knowing that his son is now going to face adulthood suddenly without his Dad.

 

[T"Challa]

I facepalm hard whenever i remember the tornado scene. ugh

Perfect example of a good idea/theme that was written and executed horribly.

 

[KalMart]

I would have had Pa Kent escort Clark away from tornado in protective fashion, Clark pleading to help, but Pa insisting he stay away...and have Pa Kent save some more people, instead of a friggin dog...and then when Pa Kent is in danger...Clark rushes in to save him, but he doesn't make it, and Pa says his final words to Clark that he loves him and wants the best for him. Clark feels guilt thinking if he had been more assertive, defied his father, showed him that now is the time for him to step in, stepped out of his father's shadow, he could have saved the day. The people of Smallville sees it, start questioning some more...then Clark just runs away (after saying bye to his Mom) to discover himself...and he becomes an urban legend.

I think that would have been a better way to handle it then Pa Kent standing there sticking out his palm and disappearing in the wind like a ghost...knowing that his son is now going to face adulthood suddenly without his Dad.

But I think what was important in the movie was the idea of sacrifice, the actions of a true father to protect is son, and the son complying. As hard as it was to witness Clark holding back, I think at its core it was good idea (with a lot of people watching)...but just needed to be delivered with more aplomb.

 

[SentinelMind]

But I think what was important in the movie was the idea of sacrifice, the actions of a true father to protect is son, and the son complying. As hard as it was to witness Clark holding back, I think at its core it was good idea (with a lot of people watching)...but just needed to be delivered with more aplomb.

The theme if how Clark deals with holding back a part of him and knowing how to step forward in front of the general public.

Clark knows he has to do it, but doesn't know when or how. He's not confident enough in himself to do it. Goyer/Snyder could have hit home the message without having Clark Kent stand there watching his father die. The message should be that although Pa Kent loves his son...he was wrong to tell Clark now wasn't the time. I think having Clark second guess his father, make a tragic attempt at saving him but FAILING, realize at some point you have have to be a proactive leader, not just a follower...something Jor-El will later teach him, would reinforce that point....without it putting Clark in unrealistic situation of Clark just standing around anguish as his father dies and having Pa Kent sort of disappear in the wind. It would have been a more heartwarming, nuanced scene.....lead from the front, never from behind.

 

[KalMart]

The theme if how Clark deals with holding back a part of him and knowing how to step forward in front of the general public.

Clark knows he has to do it, but doesn't know when or how. He's not confident enough in himself to do it. Goyer/Snyder could have hit home the message without having Clark Kent stand there watching his father die. The message should be that although Pa Kent loves his son...he was wrong to tell Clark now wasn't the time. I think having Clark second guess his father, make a tragic attempt at saving him but FAILING, realize at some point you have have to be a proactive leader, not just a follower...something Jor-El will later teach him, would reinforce that point....without it putting Clark in unrealistic situation of Clark just standing around anguish as his father dies and having Pa Kent sort of disappear in the wind. It would have been a more heartwarming, nuanced scene.....lead from the front, never from behind.

I still think Jon's message was that he needed to wait and grow up just a little longer, and his acting with his powers at that point could have jeopardized that seriously, maybe worse than ever before. So Jon was protecting that. That was the point of that scene. If you're saying it should have been a different story idea altogether, a life lesson that he should have acted differently or more quickly, that's one thing. But it doesn't look as if that's what their purpose was for that scene...it seems as if it was the right thing to do, but heartbreaking. I think the film takes the stance that Jon turns out to be right...and it's not a failure or underachievement on Clark's part that he later somehow makes up for, or that Clark should have disobeyed him, or what have you. So with that in mind, I still think it was a good idea but could use better delivery. You have some good points, but I'm looking at doing what they actually wanted, but better. I do like your ideas, though.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I had some... serious problems with this movie.

An underlying issue is that it was needlessly dark. And I say this as someone who usually likes the darker things.

Almost everything regarding Krypton felt really poorly done to me. I mean, first of all, why the hell didn't the other characters escape Krypton following Zod's failed coup? That is never sufficiently explained. They have time to trial Zod and his followers, and to banis them, but they can't get off a planet that is obviously dying? That entire sequence with Zod and Kal-El's escape felt rushed, and the stuff that followed made it all seem unnecessary.

The characterization of Pa Kent also really bothered me. His death was completely unnecessary. So what if some people on the highway see Clark saving him? He can save a bus full of witnesses, but he can't save his dad from a tornado in front of a few people? It seemed needlessly cruel.

If it wasn't for the second half, I would have really disliked this movie.

 

[John Locke]

My only complaint is not that we didn't see Superman save random people its that we did but only for a split second. Superman was pulling debris off what I assume was Jenny but we never see, when he looks up to see Lois fall. I get its a pacing issue but it would have been nice to see Superman fly back to Metropolis and land next to Jenny, Perry, and Steve. Then cut back to Lois.

 

[robot]

I had some... serious problems with this movie.

An underlying issue is that it was needlessly dark. And I say this as someone who usually likes the darker things.

Almost everything regarding Krypton felt really poorly done to me. I mean, first of all, why the hell didn't the other characters escape Krypton following Zod's failed coup? That is never sufficiently explained. They have time to trial Zod and his followers, and to banis them, but they can't get off a planet that is obviously dying? That entire sequence with Zod and Kal-El's escape felt rushed, and the stuff that followed made it all seem unnecessary.

The characterization of Pa Kent also really bothered me. His death was completely unnecessary. So what if some people on the highway see Clark saving him? He can save a bus full of witnesses, but he can't save his dad from a tornado in front of a few people? It seemed needlessly cruel.

If it wasn't for the second half, I would have really disliked this movie.

Yeah, people in Krypton were buzzing around in Spaceships... there are bound to be those that could have escaped...

But overall, I did like Krypton.. it was so beautiful sci-fi wise... absolute eye-candy... i wish it was 40 mins long instead of 20.. that way they can build up the story more instead of rushing it through...

As for the Tornado scene.. absolutely agree with you.. this is the worst, inexcusable part for me...

 

[bullets]

I had some... serious problems with this movie.

An underlying issue is that it was needlessly dark. And I say this as someone who usually likes the darker things.

Almost everything regarding Krypton felt really poorly done to me. I mean, first of all, why the hell didn't the other characters escape Krypton following Zod's failed coup? That is never sufficiently explained. They have time to trial Zod and his followers, and to banish them, but they can't get off a planet that is obviously dying? That entire sequence with Zod and Kal-El's escape felt rushed, and the stuff that followed made it all seem unnecessary.

The Kryptonians didn't believe the world was ending until it was too late. I may have misinterpreted , but I thought General Zod was actually on Jor-El's side of that argument and that's why he stormed the council.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

I just don't get teh whole 'Clark exposing himself to Smallville' part.

He's faster than a speeding bullet.
There's a tornado going on and general disorientation all around. No one would've noticed.
I get what they were going for but it was the complete wrong way to go about it.

Thats why I say, Pa should have been teaching kal HOW to use his powers, not how to stand idly by when lives are at stake because then humanity as a species has already lost.

If they wanted to go with the exposure Here's what should have happened.

Pa and kal are both saving people. Pa gets trapped without kal knowing. Kal defies his dads (wrong) teachings and saves him anyway, exposing himself to the people. People start questioning kal and ganging up on him and in the meanwhile Pa dies of a heart attack brought about by surviving the tornado and the exposure of kal.

Now Kal has a good reason to go off the grid. And also learns that no matter how hard you try you can't save everyone.

Something like that. But I wouldn't have gone with the tornado angle in the first place.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

I have one main complaint and two minors

Main - The tornado scene was horribly executed.

Minors - editing/pacing issues, and how no one at the planet knew who clark was at the end. I really don't like the glasses disguise thing and I wish they would've left it out.

 

[Project862006]

i must of watch ed a different scene i absolutely loved the tornado scene it was expertly executed

the slow silence and pa kent eerily disappearing was very haunting met with clark scream

beautifully done imo

 

[spider-neil]

I've seen the movie 3 times and still can't work out the Kryptonians power levels. Examples, Faora is knocked out by a missile. Lois is able to hold off a Kryptonian before escaping in an escape pod. Very confusing.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

i must of watch ed a different scene i absolutely loved the tornado scene it was expertly executed

the slow silence and pa kent eerily disappearing was very haunting met with clark scream

beautifully done imo

I love the things you mentioned as well, the acting and cinematography were all very good, but what I didn't like was that pa kent went back to save a dog, hurt his ankle and just gave up instead of at least fighting to try to get to safety, and clark just standing there letting him die.

 

[Liam_H]

I've seen the movie 3 times and still can't work out the Kryptonians power levels. Examples, Faora is knocked out by a missile. Lois is able to hold off a Kryptonian before escaping in an escape pod. Very confusing.

Since her protective hear gear was broken she was overwhelmed by the heightened senses so when she was hit she was disoriented/weakened.

 

[Project862006]

I've seen the movie 3 times and still can't work out the Kryptonians power levels. Examples, Faora is knocked out by a missile. Lois is able to hold off a Kryptonian before escaping in an escape pod. Very confusing.

was'nt that ship filled with kryptonian atmosphere and air??

 

[spider-neil]

Since her protective hear gear was broken she was overwhelmed by the heightened senses so when she was hit she was disoriented/weakened.

So the 'overload' of the missile knocks her out?

was'nt that ship filled with kryptonian atmosphere and air??

Yes, so why was Kryptonian weak enough to be pushed back by Lois.
If the explanation was Jor-El modified the air so the ship was now filled with Earth air so all the Kryptonians were weakened I didn't get that


All plausible explanations but not very clear in the movie, at least not to me.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Yes, so why was Kryptonian weak enough to be pushed back by Lois.
If the explanation was Jor-El modified the air so the ship was now filled with Earth air so all the Kryptonians were weakened I didn't get that

Kryptonians aren't super powered in kryptonian atmosphere/air, they get their powers from earth's sun.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

So the 'overload' of the missile knocks her out?

No, the overload came from being exposed to earth's atmosphere for the first time without her helmet. She was used to kryptonian atmosphere. Same thing happened to zod in the smallville fight.

 

[Liam_H]

So the 'overload' of the missile knocks her out?

No the atmosphere/sun overloaded her sense just like Zod did. She became unbalanced/disoriented so the blast from the missile was enough to knock her out for a bit.

 

[djprince]

“Man of steel” DJ Prince Review

This is the movie I've been waiting for. I grew up with the comics and with the Reeves movies, I love the Reeves first 3 movies, but “Man of Steel” is a totally different experience, and I accept it for what it is and won’t compare it with the Reeves or other Superman movies. I’ve seen the movie twice, 3D and 2D, and I preferred the 2D version. The film had hart and emotion and a ton of action, it could use a little more romance and some minor comedy, although there is some well hidden. The biggest problem for me was Lois Lane, or how she was written in the script. Amy Adams did a great job, but some elements didn't sit well with me. First one was the “measuring dicks” part, it sounded awkward. And why did General Zod ask Faora to bring Lois to the mothership with Superman, we didn’t get a good explanation for that. Jor-el showing up in the mothership and guiding Lois was just too dumb. After Superman has dealt with General Zod, Lois magically appears, and she does that too often in the movie.


The end fight where Superman and General Zod totally destroys metropolis also leave some gaps, apparently a lot of innocent people got killed. This could have been easily avoided if the people had evacuated the city straight after the message from General Zod, and it would also make more sense. David Goyer needs a co-writer if he gets to do the follow up.
The pacing of the film was fine, and I was sucked into the story and was leaning forward and excited like a child in a candy store. Henry Cavill is no doubt this generations Superman, it’s going to be interesting to see how his Clark Kent interpretation is going to be in the follow up.


The Krypton scenes where beautiful, but I got a funny “George Lucas star wars remake” vibe when we saw those Kryptonian animals. Jor El’s logic, “who’s gonna decide which blood lines lives on”, seemed a bit double standard, he and Lara decided that their son should live on with the codex integrated into his cells.


It was funny to see the “Kevin Smith/Jon Peter “ polar bear reference, maybe the tentacles on the dubstep machine also was a reference to Jon Peter’s giant spider?


Although some writing issues I really enjoyed this movie, the shaky cam didn’t bother me at all, and I will see it again, maybe on imax 3D.

So my score? I give it a 7.8

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

The shaky camera at certain points; I remember it a lot at the beginning of the film. Also some bad CGI when Supes was flying, looked clearly like a green screen.

 

[Marvin]

I just don't get teh whole 'Clark exposing himself to Smallville' part.

He's faster than a speeding bullet.
There's a tornado going on and general disorientation all around. No one would've noticed.
I get what they were going for but it was the complete wrong way to go about it.

He is? I don't remember the film establishing that of young clark?
If he's anything like donners teen clark then running as fast as that train would be his most demonstrated speed.

Pretty sure that would have made for quite a sight if the towns people had saw.

As I always say, people should judge the film for itself as it was the first time you've ever seen the property in action. It makes for a much more streamlined experience. Next people might ask why he didn't take a sun bath before fighting zod, then he would have saved all the lives.

Speaking of which, wasn't Our Worlds at War a story of superman battling an alien invasion in which he himself couldn't prevent massive losses of lives. I mean Topeka and Atlantis...all gone no?

 

[Rock Sexton]

It was more than established in the Pete Ross and his mother scene, when he first reveals himself to the military as wells as his capture, the pastor in the church ****s himself when Clark tells him that he is the one they are looking for. There there was the whole school episodes where the other kids mad fun of him for being 'different'.

It was so obviously laid down.

There are many examples of differing reactions to his presence.

It's classic "don't tell me, show me!" When a writer like Goyer has to resort to multiple characters literally uttering the same line over and over again, it shows he didn't know how to develop it.

Regardless, Pete Ross's mother did nothing to express non-acceptance. She was trying to make sense of something she could not explain and Pa Kent played coy with her. I mean c'mon, her kid's life was saved .... that's supposed to make her "afraid"?

The military's situation was most surely NOT about non-acceptance from a standpoint that they were afraid of him. The planet was being held hostage and the only way they "thought" they could end the threat was to turn Kal-El over to Zod. Someone mentioned this before in this forum, but it's strange how Goyer managed to morph Supes into somewhat of a Trojan Horse.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Pa Kent. No emotion. We should have seen the Kents actually find baby Clark. It would have had greater impact seeing the Kents as actual people. Instead, there was no connection. They were just some people in some flashbacks. Ma Kent, also no emotion. Should have had Clark get out of bed and see his parents before going to school or something at least. Smallville did it better.

I felt no connection when he was flying. I know it was supposed to be grand like "yeah finally! I'm so with him, this is fun!" except it fell flat. I mean it looked cool and all but...his "woohoo" I'm like, okay.
Also the flashbacks should have all been done (in order, except for the last cape scene) before he got the fortress and put on the suit. Maybe that would have helped...

Perry White and all the idiots standing around watching the buildings fall on them. Jenny? Do we care that she's stuck? Did she even have a line before that?

The dialogue/delivery for Superman: "Do you think! You can threaten! My mother!" "You're a monster Zod, and I will stop you!" reminds me of "So you came to die with your city" "No, I came to stop you..."

Pacing was off. Like that scene where Superman destroys the drone.

Action was amazing, the visuals were good. I didn't care Metropolis was destroyed, I've been waiting to see Superman get crazy action scenes and that worked for me. Michael Shannon & Russell Crowe were especially good. Crowe reminded me of Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan. Henry was decent. Amy was okay, not terrible.

Could have been a lot better, could have been worse. Felt rushed as opposed to Batman Begins pace. Not really looking forward to other DC characters being done like this. Should just bring back Bale and do a WF film.

PS I remember another thing. Why did the Kryptonians have time to banish (save) Zod and his gang (criminals) yet stood idle as they all died as the planet exploded?? Their last moments are to save the criminals and die themselves? O-kay...

PPS now that I think about it, Metropolis was destroyed yet Clark comes to work at the end of the movie at the DP as if nothing happened to the city? I don't remember but did it look damaged or did it look perfectly fine?