What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope? - Part 1

[Silvermoth]

I actually think when justice league appears on Netflix and telly a lot more people will see it and like it so that would already help out the sheen back in dc. As long as there's no more silly mistakes they should be able to do it

 

[Iceman]

A lot of people will see it then who skipped it in the cinema and probably enjoy it.

 

[Boy Scout]

I think the chance of us getting a MOS 2 is about 1%.

If there's even a one percent chance, we have to take it as an absolute certainty.

 

[Erzengel]

Diamond absolute......

 

[Frodo]

Right, how about:

Soft reboot Batman universe. Unconnected to DCEU. No Affleck. Run by Reeves.

Continuing Wonder Woman movies, with no mention of DCEU. Run by Jenkins.

Soft reboot Superman universe. Unconnected to DCEU. No Cavill. Run by Vaughn.

Scrap everything else for time being.

This is basically my position as well. Forget Flashpoint, Gotham City Sirens etc.

Get a younger Batman and younger Superman, let Gal do her thing.

Fanboys wanted an extended universe, they got it.5 films is enough.

Now they should focus on solo ,filmmaker driven, good films.

 

[Matleo]

(The Superman vs Flash) Flash Point movie?
Could be that through accident superman and flash go into future and meet yellow flash and the conflict between Aquaman and Wonderwoman.
Could introduce Profesor Zoom , Martian Manhunter, green and yellow lanter too that fight on both sides.


a new superman solo movie with better foes?
maybe a Rematch with Doomsday or clone?
Maybe Superman goes to space to visit crypton?
Would allow to meet green, red and yellow lantern.

(names for future superman movies: Son of Crypton , Brainiac, Cryptonite, Cryptonian, Red Sun, LOBO, Fortress of Solitude, the Preserver, Kal-El,)

don't use superman in the tittle !!!

Good rivals could be Brainiac, Bizzaro, Metalo, Lobo, Mongul, Parasite, Phantom Zone criminals, .

Let luthor be a vilian in Justice League future films, I remember that suit maid of Brainiac from cartoons. For superman he could create Bizzaro or Brainiac or both after he comes back to earth.


Maybe new female villian with sun and fire based powers?
Could be like the red sun and force superman to make a strategy or use a suit or introduce other hero?

maybe introduce supergirl, green lantarn, martian manhunter.

(a plot of superman becoming evil through brain wash or blue cryptonite vs the league would also be cool)

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the Flash needs a good triology or maybe cross flicks with other super heroes like marvel does it with the Hulk and like DC did Batman vs Supermanawn of Justice, but a inteligent ones with nice and many villians and movies without "flash" and the names of the hearoes in the tittles,

villians: Profesor Zoom, Zoom, Dark/Black Flash, Gorilla Grod, Savitar, Godspeed, Abra Kadabra, The Thinker, Mirror Master and others.

"Savitar" would be a nice third part in trilogy and movie. The villian would need to be superv, really.
Maybe the plot of the series could be used, but why the flash? why not his son? friend?zoom in a armor? could be avillian changing "names" that playes a hero and villian in "one" to destroy the flash.

Flashpoint, Speed Force, Sarvitar would be nice tittles for movies with the Flash.
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Next Wonder Woman(o Justice League or other crossover) movie better introduce villians like:
Osira , Circe, Cheetah, Urzkartaga, Morgana, Phobos, Hecate, Tezcatlipoca, Echidna,Cronus and their children, Genocide, Nemesis, Syonide and Eros(for comic effect), Badra, Giganta, S.C.Y.T.H.E.; Red Dragon; Drax; Scylla, Abolith, gorgons, Syrene,Ishida,

(she could fight ne villian when a other one manipulates there battle without them knowing it)

future movies with her would be called:

"Amazons"(best way to introduce gods and other characters like Alkyone),

Circe,
Osira,
Echidna,
Cronus
Nemesis
Godwatch
S.C.Y.T.H.E.

maybe a real life croos over like Justice League: Dark anyone???

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I still want Gareth Evans' Deathstroke.

 

[Matleo]

I still want Gareth Evans' Deathstroke.

hope they add more Batman vilians, battles and interesting plot?
Would be cool to have a Deathrtroke movie where Deathstroke hunts down Justice League members with the help of batmans intel.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

How come the movie division can't do something that looks as good as the TV division with all the time and money they have making the movies?

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[Lantern Venom]

I keep hearing that DC's cinematic characters don't connect with kids and teens like the MCU's characters. They wish they had someone fresh who could hook a new generation like Starlord and the GotU did. I have the solution:

 

[ludovica]

In the '90s I felt like Kyle Rayner was a Marvel character dropped into DC.
It would be a good idea.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I know I wrote it before, but it still is true:
Start all over again. (Keep Patty Jenkins as a director for the IPs if you want, despite the horrible third act, WW was a decent movie on par with Marvel's Phase One films... )
But this time, don't start with a half baked idea of a movie or just the general idea of "We want that cinematic universe money", instead have a plan! a good one. Get people on board with an understanding of the characters, get writers on board who love the source material.
If you want something differentsomething that makes it look like you're not just copying Marvel, go through your back catalogue of spec scripts. There will be enough genre movies with original ideas would never see the light of day in todays industry, that with just a couple of changes and the right people going over those scripts, could make very fine, very original CBM that fit the characters you have.
Once you have a handful of scripts ready for preprodution, read them again.
See how they fit together, what kind of narrative could be woven with the scripts you already have and refine your plans. repeat that process once or twice oras long as it takes to have something on your hands that warrants a cinematic universe.
Then, and only then, start production again.

 

[ludovica]

Then, and only then, start production again.

Great idea all around.
Especially that last paragraph.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Also: instead of promising us "unique takes" on the characters (I'm looking at you, Chris Mc Kay), try giving us familiar takes first

 

[MbJ]

Also: instead of promising us "unique takes" on the characters (I'm looking at you, Chris Mc Kay), try giving us familiar takes first

On one hand I can agree, but on the other I would say you have much more leeway with a character like Nightwing (who may not be as overly familiar to audiences as he is as Robin) to do stuff with. I'm not saying go full Snyder with it or anything like that, but there's less of a chance of courting controversy then there is with a character like Superman or Batman.

 

[MbJ]

Is anything currently scheduled for 2019?

 

[I Am The Knight]

Is anything currently scheduled for 2019?

Wonder Womaaaan in November.

 

[FunkMiller]

Wonder Womaaaan in November.

Best guess is that there will be nothing else DC related coming out other than Aquaman in a year, then WW 2 a year later. And then The Batman in 2020, which will be a 100% complete reboot that’ll launch a new DCFU.

 

[WBwins]

Heres what i would do.

1.The Snyderverse versions of Wonderwoman and Arguably SS have proven to be profitable.I also suspect Aquaman will prove to be profitable as well as it isnt directed by Snyder.So I can say Wonderwoman,SS and Aquaman can continue to exist in Snyderverse.Their films will continue as planned

2.Every other Character will have to Rebooted.Batman,Superman,Flash,Green Lantern all of them.They will be set in a new continuity entirely.Lets call this new continuity The Newverse.All new franchises like shazam will also be set in the Newverse

3.That means we will have 2 types of DC films.The ones set in the Newverse and the ones in Snyderverse.However once the WW,SS and Aquaman trilogy are over that will be the end of the Snyderverse.The Newverse will continue as the one and only DC film continuity.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Best guess is that there will be nothing else DC related coming out other than Aquaman in a year, then WW 2 a year later. And then The Batman in 2020, which will be a 100% complete reboot that’ll launch a new DCFU.

Well hopefully it won't be a DC FU anymore

 

[MbJ]

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[Captain Marvel]

Assuming Aquaman and the new Batman movies are good and easily divorced from the Snyder movies, then I think the only thing they can do is to retcon the Snyder movies out of the universe. Then basically start fresh with Batman, Superman, and Flash. Introduce a new Batman who's early in his career rather than at the end of it with a new actor. Introduce a new Superman in the classic costume (Red trunks and all) who's hopeful, optimistic, and loves what he does, rather than one who's dour, lacking in empathy, and willing to kill (And who doesn't look constipated on movie posters). And either keeping the same actor or using a new one, rewrite the Flash so that he's a forensic scientist before he got his powers and has a costume closer to his classic look (And isn't an armored suit. He's the Flash, not Iron Man).

Do all that, along with a proper Green Lantern movie, while continuing what're hopefully successful Wonder Woman and Aquaman franchises, and THEN make another Justice League movie. And the perfect avenue to do this will be the planned Flashpoint movie. Have the end result of that be a change in the timeline so that Man of Steel, Batman V Superman, and Justice League are erased from the timeline, while keeping Wonder Woman (Which occurs way before the Flashpoint) and Aquaman as they are.

And they wouldn't even have to wait for Flashpoint to come out. Just get started on treating all their movies as being part of the new corrected timeline, then explain it away afterwards with Flashpoint. "You want to know why Bruce Wayne is a younger man who's never met the Justice League in the modern day? Watch the upcoming Flashpoint movie. You want to know why a new actor is playing Superman and why Superman's costume and personality are so different? Watch the upcoming Flashpoint movie." And so on.

That, I think, is the best solution so that they can keep the good while throwing out all the bad. The general audience, I believe, is more than willing to see Superman and Batman rebooted and for Cavill and Affleck to be cut loose, but I don't think they want to say goodbye to Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. And if Momoa's Aquaman movie is good, they won't want to say goodbye to him, either. So retcon out the bad parts and reboot those elements, without erasing the entire universe.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

This is basically my position as well. Forget Flashpoint, Gotham City Sirens etc.
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Why do they need to forget Gotham City Sirens? It's part of the Batman universe. Batman could even make a cameo appearance, like he did in Suicide Squad.

 

[ludovica]

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YES to Moviebob's pitch for Batgirl.

 

[Grillz]

This is basically my position as well. Forget Flashpoint, Gotham City Sirens etc.

Get a younger Batman and younger Superman, let Gal do her thing.

Fanboys wanted an extended universe, they got it.5 films is enough.

Now they should focus on solo ,filmmaker driven, good films.

I know I wrote it before, but it still is true:
Start all over again. (Keep Patty Jenkins as a director for the IPs if you want, despite the horrible third act, WW was a decent movie on par with Marvel's Phase One films... )
But this time, don't start with a half baked idea of a movie or just the general idea of "We want that cinematic universe money", instead have a plan! a good one. Get people on board with an understanding of the characters, get writers on board who love the source material.
If you want something differentsomething that makes it look like you're not just copying Marvel, go through your back catalogue of spec scripts. There will be enough genre movies with original ideas would never see the light of day in todays industry, that with just a couple of changes and the right people going over those scripts, could make very fine, very original CBM that fit the characters you have.
Once you have a handful of scripts ready for preprodution, read them again.
See how they fit together, what kind of narrative could be woven with the scripts you already have and refine your plans. repeat that process once or twice oras long as it takes to have something on your hands that warrants a cinematic universe.
Then, and only then, start production again.

Also: instead of promising us "unique takes" on the characters (I'm looking at you, Chris Mc Kay), try giving us familiar takes first

Okay, so watching moviebob among other things, I would have to say: yes and no to everything that's being pitched here. On the one hand, the solo films building up to a bigger story is nice...but it's not necessary. You could legit have JL films, and "solos" that introduce another character ex: Hawkman & Hawkgirl, 2 or 3 Lanterns, Nightwing w/ Deathstroke etc.

Next thing: stop comparing to MARVEL *people in the back say it with me* This is how we got here in the first place. The films already made dealing *only* with the trinity can stand *mostly* on their own because they do not copy a formula (WW is debatable, however it didn't feel like a marvel film to me but whatever). The saying you can't strike lightning twice should mean something (there's a reason Iron Man doesn't anymore solo films).

For the bolded, good idea, but let's explore more of this:

Just begin with a idea of where you want the overall narrative to go, not sit on scripts and then figure out the narrative. If you watch interviews with Zack, you'll see that the original intent was have Supes battle Brainiac or something similar and then Bruce shows up with a crate of kryptonite. Leading into BvS that probably would explore Bruce more, and end with something we did not get.
After you figure out what narrative you want to tell, choose what characters best fit. Not for fan service, but for actual story telling. Which goes into the biggest issue: NO EXCESSIVE WORLD BUILDING. MOS had Carol f****** Ferris and there was no after credit scene of her finding a ring, no reference to Hal, no wink wink jokes about rings. She was just there to play the role of a hopeful soldier. Do more of this, less of adding in every character from the mythology *mostly executives want this for the toys and fans want this for the service* let's just chill on world building for the sake of adding characters we all love. *side note: this is where civil war failed IMO because film wise, Spidey wasn't needed, Ant Man wasn't needed, and hell, Zemo wasn't really needed. You could've easily had Thunderbolt Ross as the morally grey antagonist...oh wait, you want good vs evil? Okay, Zemo could be pulling the strings*

Anyway, less world building for fan service, and more importantly: Have consequences. No comic book films have hardcore consequences that drive a decent narrative....like...BvS...umm carry on.

Finally, there needs to be a focus on finding a balance of tone of the film. This is where I think marvel *before Avengers and minus Iron Man 2* and many comic related films have still failed. There's a need for the "snarky" character nowadays, and if it is not needed, don't use it. If you want a comedic tone, make sure you have the appropriate characters, you want a dark comedy? Harley & Joker. Wacky comedy? Booster Gold. Oscar Bait? A character study on Batman or something. The list goes on and on.

Enough of the reboot completely and DCEU is dead parties. There just needs to be some competence and guidance.

And enough of the dumb fanboys that use DC & Marvel as their football teams. It's ruining films and filmmakers.


Anyway it's dumb and bad business to straight up reboot. This is not Fox level bad or Sony AS2 bad.