What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope? - Part 1

1) Take a step back and breathe.

2) Concentrate on getting your core characters right. Wonder Woman seems to be in safe hands, as does Aquaman. That leaves you with The Flash, Green Lantern, Superman, and Batman. Therefore, for the next several years, I would give the following projects top priority:

-Aquaman
-Batman
-Flash
-Green Lantern Corps
-Man of Steel 2
-Shazam
-Wonder Woman 2

That's seven movies right there. Aquaman is the lone release in 2018, and WW2 and Shazam are set for 2019. That leaves four movies. Release two in 2020 and two more in 2021, and you're basically set for the next four years.

2018: Aquaman
2019: Shazam, Wonder Woman 2
2020: The Batman, Man of Steel 2
2021: The Flash, Green Lantern Corps

3) While you are devoting your attention to your core characters for the time being, put the following projects on-hold indefinitely:

-Batgirl
-Black Adam
-Deadshot
-Deathstroke
-Gotham City Sirens
-Harley Quinn and The Joker
-Justice League 2
-Justice League Dark
-Nightwing
-Suicide Squad 2
-The Joker

Should the solo films for the core characters prove effective in renewing interest in the DCEU, then you can broach the subject of branching out into spinoffs.
 
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Have more quality control.

Reduce budgets.

Take more time.

Hire young creatives with a lot of talent and potential.

Seek advice and feedback from the DC comic writers.

Recast as much as possible.

Completely overhaul aesthetic look and feel.

Never, ever hire Zack Snyder again.
 
Boom said:
1) Take a step back and breathe.

2) Concentrate on getting your core characters right. Wonder Woman seems to be in safe hands, as does Aquaman. That leaves you with The Flash, Green Lantern, Superman, and Batman. Therefore, for the next several years, I would give the following projects top priority:

-Aquaman
-Batman
-Flash
-Green Lantern Corps
-Man of Steel 2
-Shazam
-Wonder Woman 2

That's seven movies right there. Aquaman is the lone release in 2018, and WW2 and Shazam are set for 2019. That leaves four movies. Release two in 2020 and two more in 2021, and you're basically set for the next four years.

2018: Aquaman
2019: Shazam, Wonder Woman 2
2020: The Batman, Man of Steel 2
2021: The Flash, Green Lantern Corps

3) While you are devoting your attention to your core characters for the time being, put the following projects on-hold indefinitely:

-Batgirl
-Black Adam
-Deadshot
-Deathstroke
-Gotham City Sirens
-Harley Quinn and The Joker
-Justice League 2
-Justice League Dark
-Nightwing
-Suicide Squad 2
-The Joker

Should the solo films for the core characters prove effective in renewing interest in the DCEU, then you can broach the subject of branching out into spinoffs.
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Agreed. No sidestories or Elseworlds stuff till your main product is going strong and has set a foundation.
 
I would also change the name "Man of Steel 2" to something else.
 
A major problem not often discussed is budget. A sub-100 million opening for Justice League was always bad, but it wouldn't be nearly as catastrophic had it not been for the fact that they spent 300 million just to make it.

That is completely and utterly absurd. JL has had the pants beaten off it by Thor: Ragnarok at the box office, and guess what? Ragnarok only cost 180 million to make! So even if JL somehow edges past it with a slightly larger box office haul, Ragnarok is the more profitable movie.

Man of Steel cost 225 million. Batman v. Superman was at least 250 million. Enough.

Tom Rothman is famously known as the idiot who passed on Deadpool and Iron Man at Fox, and who constantly made absurd demands about the X-Men movies not having too many "comic booky" elements in them (he's the reason it took 14 years to get the Sentinels to show up). He's a dufus who doesn't get comics, but know why he was kept around and why he was sought after even when he was kicked out of Fox? Because he kept budgets under control and made sure people weren't spending 200 million dollars on a bad movie that probably wasn't gonna make that back. You need a penny pincher here.
 
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They definitely need to get these budgets under control. A studio mandate of budgets less than $180 million may be a wise course of action. At least for the time.
 
That's impossible for a JL scale movie though.

Unless they do a Tower of Babel where is's more story driven than huge action spectacle or you have everyone take a paycut, I don't know how you do it for less than $200M.
 
Erzengel said:
That's impossible for a JL scale movie though.

Unless they do a Tower of Babel where is's more story driven than huge action spectacle or you have everyone take a paycut, I don't know how you do it for less than $200M.
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I don't think a Justice League movie requires anymore CG work than Thor: Ragnarok had.
 
Boom said:
I don't think a Justice League movie requires anymore CG work than Thor: Ragnarok had.
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I've seen them both this week and yeah, pretty much agree. Thor's amount of CGI would be fine in most cases. That huge difference in cost doesn't really seem to be reflected in the CGI to me. Maybe, WB is like that kid who keeps erasing and redrawing because they are unsure of themselves or maybe those flashback scenes were particularly expensive. I dunno.
 
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Erzengel said:
That's impossible for a JL scale movie though.

Unless they do a Tower of Babel where is's more story driven than huge action spectacle or you have everyone take a paycut, I don't know how you do it for less than $200M.
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Transformers 1 and 3 were under 200 million and they easily looked double that (and still do). For further insult to other blockbusters, Bay actually shot on-location for the majority of the set pieces.

It’s less about the number and more about knowing where to spend and how.
 
As for the upcoming films, I have more faith in SHAZAM & Wonder Woman 2 than Aquaman.
 
Shazam will be good, and bring the GA back into the fold if done correctly.
 
Boom said:
1) Take a step back and breathe.

2) Concentrate on getting your core characters right. Wonder Woman seems to be in safe hands, as does Aquaman. That leaves you with The Flash, Green Lantern, Superman, and Batman. Therefore, for the next several years, I would give the following projects top priority:

-Aquaman
-Batman
-Flash
-Green Lantern Corps
-Man of Steel 2
-Shazam
-Wonder Woman 2

That's seven movies right there. Aquaman is the lone release in 2018, and WW2 and Shazam are set for 2019. That leaves four movies. Release two in 2020 and two more in 2021, and you're basically set for the next four years.

2018: Aquaman
2019: Shazam, Wonder Woman 2
2020: The Batman, Man of Steel 2
2021: The Flash, Green Lantern Corps

3) While you are devoting your attention to your core characters for the time being, put the following projects on-hold indefinitely:

-Batgirl
-Black Adam
-Deadshot
-Deathstroke
-Gotham City Sirens
-Harley Quinn and The Joker
-Justice League 2
-Justice League Dark
-Nightwing
-Suicide Squad 2
-The Joker

Should the solo films for the core characters prove effective in renewing interest in the DCEU, then you can broach the subject of branching out into spinoffs.
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This is the way to go.
 
My suggestion:

Move forward with Aquaman and WW 2. James and Patty are both great directors and are great at world building.

Move forward with Flashpoint to soft-reboot the Universe.

The Batman continues as planned but with a new actor as Batman.

Give us another Superman film and call it SUPERMAN. Have Braniac as the villain and introduce the fortress of solitude as well as Supergirl who will eventually be trained by Diana.

Do Green Lantern Corps but with John Stewart as the main Green Lantern.

Cancel Cyborg, The Joker and Harley, and the other films. Concentrate on your core characters.

Create DC Films as a separate studio under WB/Time Warner and hire a producer who knows how to make films and knows the comics.
 
You could probably do a lot good if WB would keep their hands away from the movies and let the Directors etc do their thing.

Other than that, Justice League put the universe into a good direction.
Not perfect but something you can work with.
 
I think the chance of us getting a MOS 2 is about 1%.
 
sleekstereo said:
My suggestion:

Move forward with Aquaman and WW 2. James and Patty are both great directors and are great at world building.

Move forward with Flashpoint to soft-reboot the Universe.

The Batman continues as planned but with a new actor as Batman.

Give us another Superman film and call it SUPERMAN. Have Braniac as the villain and introduce the fortress of solitude as well as Supergirl who will eventually be trained by Diana.

Do Green Lantern Corps but with John Stewart as the main Green Lantern.

Cancel Cyborg, The Joker and Harley, and the other films. Concentrate on your core characters.

Create DC Films as a separate studio under WB/Time Warner and hire a producer who knows how to make films and knows the comics.
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Given her immense popularity I'd call Harley a core character, actually. Suicide Squad right now is looking like it'll outgross Justice League!

So I'd keep the planned Gotham Sirens movie at least.
 
Right, how about:

Soft reboot Batman universe. Unconnected to DCEU. No Affleck. Run by Reeves.

Continuing Wonder Woman movies, with no mention of DCEU. Run by Jenkins.

Soft reboot Superman universe. Unconnected to DCEU. No Cavill. Run by Vaughn.

Scrap everything else for time being.
 
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