What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope?

[DrCosmic]

Well, there's one reason to hope.

 

[Gabe99]

Sort of related news, Greg Silverman is out at WB. He oversaw WB movie production and by extension the DCEU since 2013.

Toby Emmerich (President of New Line) will be his replacement.

I guess all those flops finally caught up to him

THR:
Warner Bros. Shakeup: Toby Emmerich to Replace Greg Silverman as Top Creative Exec (Exclusive)

 

[Darkraid]

Yeah, I kinda feel bad for Miller. The guy is a great actor but he faces an uphill battle because:

1. Some fans are loyal to the Grant Gustin version and therefore won't give him a chance
2. He doesn't look much like the comic book version of Barry (even though this is a common issue with a lot of superhero casting)
3. His solo film has already lost two directors
4. The DCEU is already off to a rocky start.

This is why there should not be a separate universe for TV and Movies. People will get confuse seeing two Flashes. Especially when the TV side looks much better than the movies.

Marvel is doing very well merging the tv with movies even if tv characters don't show up, its still the same universe.

 

[Frodo]

At this point , as far as the WB scrambling situation goes, I'm absolutely fine with it, as long as we end up with solid to great films. The reality is, they're not gonna "catch up" with Marvel in terms of number of superhero films.

I'd much rather they be selective in which properties they decided to put in theaters and to really give them they're all in terms of writing , directing, storytelling, and acting . I want to see good films not several mediocre to bad films made for the sake of having each of their heroes having their own film.

I certainly don't want them to just make Batman related films , but at the same time, they shouldn't waste time on a say a weak Shazam or Cyborg project for the sake of trying to meet a release date.

I personally just want to see good films and if that means we get a smaller number of film projects in exchange for them being amazing, I'm fine with that.

 

[The Joker]

With the recent revelation of Ayer directing another DCEU movie, the light at the end of the tunnel seems further away.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

^Well it's not like Gotham Sirens can make or break the DCEU either way

 

[Darkraid]

^Well it's not like Gotham Sirens can make or break the DCEU either way

Isn't that a big problem? Each movie should have built the DCEU. If you think the success of this is not important then there's absolutely no reason for this movie to be made.

The people in WB has absolutely no clue. Worse than the Sony people.

 

[nyyarod]

Yeah, I don't get the Ayer decision either. Furthermore, I don't get the Deadshot solo either. That's one movie I don't care to see at all.

 

[Erzengel]

I don't care if a studio changes their plan.

If you want to change Cyborg into Teen Titans/Titans/Young Justice. Yeah great idea. We already saw how Cyborg came into being. I don't need a movie showing the first 45 minutes of him playing football with a father who never has time for him.

Harley Quinn sequel? Sure she was one of the few highlights of SS. Turning it into a GCS, the more DC characters the better. SS2, okay...but Ayer back, makes me nervous. Deadshot sequel? C'mon.

I get that you sometimes have to circle your wagons and reqroup which why 2018 looks the way it does but I want to see DC's version of Cap, B-Listers and groups that shine.

And again, just be good.

 

[jihado86]

instead of being selective to make great films, WB/DC are throwing stuff to the wall and see what sticks. Harley & Deadshot were the highlights of that piece of crap of a movie? yeah let's make movies about them. FFS, Harley & Deadshot are Batman villains, you should only make them villains and who feature in Batman movies mainly with not-so-big roles. Which leads me to the next point, Suicide Squad came too early, the same as BvS. We should have seen these villains in other movies, then gather them, that way we now they are really villains. BTW, an other version of Suicide Squad should have be done, not that garbage we saw.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Isn't that a big problem? Each movie should have built the DCEU. If you think the success of this is not important then there's absolutely no reason for this movie to be made.

The people in WB has absolutely no clue. Worse than the Sony people.

I still definitely think everything up to JL2 (it included) will be happening. But everything after is just white noise ATM.

I don't exactly HATE any of the DCEU movies thus far (I do think MoS is decent, while BvS is epic even if very flawed and lacking pace. Suicide Squad was far from unenjoyable but it really wasn't anything to rave about), but it is objectively off to a bit of a rocky start. WB should focus on the real moneymakers first, like Batman and Justice League, because by the time GCS is released, the DCEU will have already developed into either a solid franchise or a weaker one. Don't expect something like a Harley Quinn or Deadshot spinoff to determine whether or not WB throws their cards in or throws in the towel

I think we can say with confidence that GCS won't be happening unless JL and Batman make a positive impact. The same can be said about anything post-JL2

 

[metaphysician]

Yeah, I don't get the Ayer decision either. Furthermore, I don't get the Deadshot solo either. That's one movie I don't care to see at all.

I think the logic is simple: "Suicide Squad succeeded more than any of our prior movies. Make more of that." Thus, a sequel and spinoffs starring the two most prominent characters. The fact that they are all villain-led pieces likewise.

 

[TheCommissioner]

I think Will Smith is still a bankable star given the right vehicle

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

When there isn't one single DC Universe movie that is good....i fear for the future.

 

[Erzengel]

I think Will Smith is still a bankable star given the right vehicle

In the past 20 years, Smith has had 4 movies over $200M domestically and of those 4, 2 over $300M.

Also, 1 movie that received a certified RT score, although I'm sure Six Degrees of Separation should be added.

So I'm not sure he is a bankable star. Actually, I think movie stars have given way towards franchises.

 

[Patchwork Man]

If Depp's still considered a draw with all those bombs he's had (minus Fantastic Beasts, if you want to count that), then I don't see why Will can't headline a Deadshot movie.

 

[Erzengel]

Depp has been listed the most overpaid actor for the past 2 years based on the low grosses of his movies.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Will Smith is definitely still a bankable huge star. As for DC, at this point WB is clearly happy with their films and they do make them money. They are expanding their DC brand by making non Batman and Superman films. They may not have Marvels track record but they do make successful films which give the studio money. People on this board won't be happy until they do everything the same as Marvel and get their critical and box office success. Maybe WB have stopped trying to match them and just focus on the good their movies are doing. So is there hope? They've made huge bank on only 3 movies, seems their throwing stuff to the wall mentality isn't so bad.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Depp has been listed the most overpaid actor for the past 2 years based on the low grosses of his movies.

Exactly. But he still gets work. He's still a draw.

 

[Patchwork Man]

People on this board won't be happy until they do everything the same as Marvel and get their critical and box office success. Maybe WB have stopped trying to match them and just focus on the good their movies are doing. So is there hope? They've made huge bank on only 3 movies, seems their throwing stuff to the wall mentality isn't so bad.

They'll just have to get over it. In the meantime, ignore the myriad complaints about Superman's so-called lack of cheery dialogue and guns mounted on the front of the Batmobile (because, you know, rubber bullets are so much more effective against goons with automatic weapons). When Cav-el finally delivers his inspiring speech (hopefully while holding Steppenwolf's mangled, limp body), I'm sure we'll have no shortage of users who will take umbrage with the number of adverbs in his lines.

 

[TheCommissioner]

BvS had one of my favorite iterations of the Batmobile

that thing is badass, looks like the type of vehicle that humps other cars on the road just because it can

 

[Erzengel]

Will Smith is definitely still a bankable huge star. As for DC, at this point WB is clearly happy with their films and they do make them money. They are expanding their DC brand by making non Batman and Superman films. They may not have Marvels track record but they do make successful films which give the studio money. People on this board won't be happy until they do everything the same as Marvel and get their critical and box office success. Maybe WB have stopped trying to match them and just focus on the good their movies are doing. So is there hope? They've made huge bank on only 3 movies, seems their throwing stuff to the wall mentality isn't so bad.

It's not about Smith per se but the franchise. Our movie watching is geared towards franchises. That's why movie studios are obsessed with them. How many Fast and Furious, Jurassic movies, Potter and Star Wars movies are we seeing?

Exactly. But he still gets work. He's still a draw.

Depends on what you mean as "draw". Is he a celebrity and a star, sure. Does that mean every movie he does is going to draw more people because he's in it? I don't think so anymore. Again, it's about franchises. Pirates will do well because it's Pirates. It might be because his role in it is popular, but him being in Alice 2 didn't allow it to perform as well as it's predecessor.

However, I will say that star power still works overseas especially Asia.

 

[TheCommissioner]

They'll just have to get over it. In the meantime, ignore the myriad complaints about Superman's so-called lack of cheery dialogue and guns mounted on the front of the Batmobile (because, you know, rubber bullets are so much more effective against goons with automatic weapons). When Cav-el finally delivers his inspiring speech (hopefully while holding Steppenwolf's mangled, limp body), I'm sure we'll have no shortage of users who will take umbrage with the number of adverbs in his lines.

People want the critical acclaim that a film like Winter Soldier got - where it is a franchise film but stands well on its own

my mom (who hates superhero movies) watched that movie at my behest and said to me "if more of them were like that, I'd watch more of them"

 

[Erzengel]

I think more people want DCEU movies to be good not necessarily be like MCU, except in reception.

These current DCEU as constituted aren't hitting with everyone. If they are hitting with you, then you shouldn't complain about the other people and the critics.

If you want WB to make better DCEU which ironically would mean better received by more people and critics, then what's the issue? Being made better =/= being like Marvel.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Depends on what you mean as "draw". Is he a celebrity and a star, sure. Does that mean every movie he does is going to draw more people because he's in it? I don't think so anymore. Again, it's about franchises. Pirates will do well because it's Pirates. It might be because his role in it is popular, but him being in Alice 2 didn't allow it to perform as well as it's predecessor.

Depp is a draw in that he still has many fans on a few continents. In the case of Alice: TTLG (which I didn't see, because I don't like movies of that sort), I got the feeling it's a crap film, just like Dark Shadows and a bunch of other movies the vastly overrated Tim Burton has produced/directed.

Depp's Jack Sparrow is also a big part of why people like POTC.