What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope?

[Wildcard]

And that's the main thing that's biting DC in the ass. They're trying to play catch up to Marvel cinematically (which won't ever happen) & it's causing them to rush everything they're doing, hence the quality of BvS & SS being subpar.

 

[Slade W]

The funny/sad thing is, even though it is more difficult and risky than taking things slowly, DCs rushed approach could work if it were in better hands.

 

[Erzengel]

I've said before that the building towards JL isn't as solid as what Marvel has done. However, I didn't think it needed 5 movies.

DCEU has 4 movies but how many movies really lead up to JL? Should WW have been introduced prior to BvS? Having her "prequel" after her introduction is different. And we are already speculating that JL is part of this Snyder trilogy. So in the end, it may just be only 2 movies (MOS) that build up to JL.

 

[ehh]

It's clear that BvS was not going to be the original sequel to MoS. I see that DC sort of fell into the trap that Sony fell into with Spider-Man:

TASM1 is a darker, grittier film that stands on it's own. Not very good, not irredeemable. By TASM2, they decide they want a cinematic universe and cram too much into one film for world building. I see BvS to the DCEU as TASM2 is to the SMCU.

The difference is that Sony had the option to bring Spider-Man into the MCU. The rights to the DC characters have nowhere to revert back to, they are right at home. So DC is just continuing on with it and will probably continue in the same direction for a while.

 

[Raiden]

I've said before that the building towards JL isn't as solid as what Marvel has done. However, I didn't think it needed 5 movies.

DCEU has 4 movies but how many movies really lead up to JL? Should WW have been introduced prior to BvS? Having her "prequel" after her introduction is different. And we are already speculating that JL is part of this Snyder trilogy. So in the end, it may just be only 2 movies (MOS) that build up to JL.

I don't consider MOS to be part of the DCEU, to be frank. When it was made, WB really had no ambition to make a cinematic universe, and so when the world was about to be destroyed in MONS all the "meta humans" did not show up. And neither did Batman, who was supposedly established as a superhero for many years then so he should have had done something to try to stop the Kryptonians. That's why in BVS, it made no sense to me that he'd only watch helplessly from the sideline, and decided to stop Superman later in the movie when he did nothing to help in MOS. It is very contradictory to see them trying to retroactively explain everything in BVS about MOS, when the purpose of making these two movies were vastly different. One could say these two existed in completely separate universe.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

^That's quite a leap....

MOS is very explicitly in the DCEU

 

[MadVillainy]

YEah that's really silly to say MoS isn't in the DCEU
I don't even like the movie and I would never say it isn't in the DCEU or that it shouldnt be considered in it.

 

[The Joker]

Considering BvS relies heavily on the plot of MOS, it is really silly to deny it's part of the DCEU.

 

[MadVillainy]

I mean I kinda get how the timeline/continuity isn't the greatest in terms of how it's set up but yeah MoS is clearly apart of it.

 

[InCali]

I don't consider MOS to be part of the DCEU, to be frank. When it was made, WB really had no ambition to make a cinematic universe, and so when the world was about to be destroyed in MONS all the "meta humans" did not show up. And neither did Batman, who was supposedly established as a superhero for many years then so he should have had done something to try to stop the Kryptonians. That's why in BVS, it made no sense to me that he'd only watch helplessly from the sideline, and decided to stop Superman later in the movie when he did nothing to help in MOS. It is very contradictory to see them trying to retroactively explain everything in BVS about MOS, when the purpose of making these two movies were vastly different. One could say these two existed in completely separate universe.

I think it could be said that MoS didn't do a good job of setting up anything. I'm not sure what they were thinking long term at that time, but if they were thinking of setting up a JL movie, that was a bigger whiff than mighty Casey.

Contrast that with the Iron Man 1 credits scene "I'm here to talk to you about the Avengers initiative". I don't know about anyone else, but I was thinking "WOW!!!"

This is an example of what we like to calling "planning". One group has a clearly thought out strategy. The other? I'm not so sure....

 

[Mandon Knight]

I think the wish & hope was in place to 'expand' things beyond MOS, when watching it for the first time at the cinema and having read articles prior to going, certainly I felt the ending sequences were leading to a larger world and more. I think once the Box Office had been 'bean counted', their plan took a side ways shift and the direct MOS sequel got 'put back' and it became 'how do we expand into the larger universe, the quickest way possible', but I think the intention was always there to expand, even at the MOS point of release.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Stop trying to play catch up
Stop trying so hard to make a bill on dollar film and panicking when it doesn't happen.
Get on the same page as your director at the start and don't bother their work at the end.
Don't play catch up and stop letting outside forces dictate decisions; make good films and concentrate on that.
I give Snyder props for making BvS work so well when he probably did not want that to be his sequel but the studio forced him.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Stop trying to play catch up
Stop trying so hard to make a bill on dollar film and panicking when it doesn't happen.
Get on the same page as your director at the start and don't bother their work at the end.
Don't play catch up and stop letting outside forces dictate decisions; make good films and concentrate on that.
I give Snyder props for making BvS work so well when he probably did not want that to be his sequel but the studio forced him.

the studio cuts the checks

their will is law

 

[ehh]

Marvel Studios cuts the checks, but they manage to come out with 1 good film after the next...

 

[TheCommissioner]

because you have people in charge there who give a rip

WB just wants product

 

[Timebomb]

because you have people in charge there who give a rip

WB just wants product

That's the saddest thing is that I believe this might just be very very true.

 

[Wildcard]

The funny/sad thing is, even though it is more difficult and risky than taking things slowly, DCs rushed approach could work if it were in better hands.

Yep. It could but they hired guys like Zack Snyder and Geoff Johns. People that have absolutely no business handling any cinematic universe.

And it's definitely true. WB only cares about the money. Even Marvel's worst films looks like works of art when compared to BvS and SS. And that's because there's still some sense of direction behind them.

WB just wants to cash in because Disney/Marvel made everyone realize how profitable the superhero genre can really be. So we've went from hiring guys like Nolan to make movies like BB/TDK/TDKR to hiring questionable talent that make films barely better than **** like Catwoman.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Right now I'm in the camp of "scrap it and forget it"

 

[DrCosmic]

I don't consider MOS to be part of the DCEU, to be frank. When it was made, WB really had no ambition to make a cinematic universe, and so when the world was about to be destroyed in MONS all the "meta humans" did not show up. And neither did Batman, who was supposedly established as a superhero for many years then so he should have had done something to try to stop the Kryptonians. That's why in BVS, it made no sense to me that he'd only watch helplessly from the sideline, and decided to stop Superman later in the movie when he did nothing to help in MOS. It is very contradictory to see them trying to retroactively explain everything in BVS about MOS, when the purpose of making these two movies were vastly different. One could say these two existed in completely separate universe.

I agree completely. Even though we are told they are part of the same universe, the incompleteness of the retcon they tried to do in BvS shows that this was not the universe that MOS was setting up, and further, there are parts of MOS that will always conflict with the DCEU, and we're simply expected to go by what the filmmakers meant to do, and not what was actually put up on screen.

 

[BestGirl]

What parts of MOS conflict with the DCEU? How do you explain away the fact that BVS was plainly a sequel to MOS?

 

[The Batman]

Yeah, count me as someone who does not consider MOS an actual DCEU film. It was clear that MOS was meant to be a standalone kind of thing, Snyder even said as much back in the day.

 

[The Joker]

But a lot of movies are made with no intended sequels in mind. Then circumstances led to them getting one. Intentions and outcomes don't always go hand in hand.

 

[Erzengel]

I think WB was hoping for any type of sequel with MOS not necessarily BvS but MOS2 was announced before it changed to BvS.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Yeah, count me as someone who does not consider MOS an actual DCEU film. It was clear that MOS was meant to be a standalone kind of thing, Snyder even said as much back in the day.

The general feeling & line was 'it's a one of a kind but we don't make these things without thinking there won't be a second we hope'.

 

[Superchan]

Stop trying to play catch up
Stop trying so hard to make a bill on dollar film and panicking when it doesn't happen.
Get on the same page as your director at the start and don't bother their work at the end.
Don't play catch up and stop letting outside forces dictate decisions; make good films and concentrate on that.
I give Snyder props for making BvS work so well when he probably did not want that to be his sequel but the studio forced him.

You might've liked BvS and no one can take that away from you but to say that the film worked is simply not true, not for the critics or the audience. Also Snyder is the one who wanted to shove batman into superman's supposed sequel so I don't think BvS was forced on anyone.