What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope?

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So Flash is now allegedly delayed after a second director quit, Wonder Woman is regarded as having a rushed production and now The Batman's script is supposed to be awful. Normally I'd dismiss these as rumors but based on DC's track record, they aren't doing a very good job.
 
lol where are you hearing Wonder Woman has a rushed production and The Batman script is awful
 
lol where are you hearing Wonder Woman has a rushed production and The Batman script is awful
I am guessing he is assuming the latter based on the fact that he clicked on page number 27 of this thread.
 
Ah I missed all those posts since 2k's post from yesterday
 
No biggie. Affleck can just bring in Christ Terrio. Who, by the way, has an Oscar.

With the naked golden statue looking over you, how can you ever go wrong?

I hear Casey Affleck writes screenplays now too. Bring him aboard.

That didn't stop him from writing the crap fest that is Batman v Superman.
 
So Flash is now allegedly delayed after a second director quit, Wonder Woman is regarded as having a rushed production and now The Batman's script is supposed to be awful. Normally I'd dismiss these as rumors but based on DC's track record, they aren't doing a very good job.

Indeed. With their track record I find all that easy to believe.
 
https://theringer.com/movie-industry-shifts-peak-tv-arrival-moonlight-f0a5ddd85384#.nfm40icho

“I was having dinner with a couple of executives who know other executives who are working on the [forthcoming] Batman movie, The Batman,” Ellis told The Ringer.


“And they were just telling me that there are serious problems with the script. And that the executives I was having dinner with were complaining about people who work on the Batman movie. And they just said they went to the studio and they said, ‘Look, the script is … Here’s 30 things that are wrong with it that we can fix.’ And [the executives] said, ‘We don’t care. We don’t really care. The amount of money we’re going to make globally, I mean 70 percent of our audience is not going to be seeing this in English. And it doesn’t really matter, these things that you’re bringing up about the flaws of the script.’ So I do think global concerns play a big part in how movies, and what movies, are being made, obviously.”
 
My problem is with that statement is that it sends up a lot of red flags, specifically with what Ellis says. Now maybe the studio heads don't care. But it's a script. Why can't they say fix those 30 things? Don't Berg and Johns have the power to do that? I mean, the film hasn't even started production. Why couldn't they "fix" the script now?

I mean, they fired the director of The Flash twice because they didn't like the creative direction it was going. So if it's that early in, why couldn't they make changes?
 
So Umberto Gonzales' words don't count?
 
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THE COMPLICATED CASE OF LEADERSHIP AND VISION AT WARNER BROS. AND DC ENTERTAINMENT
After another director walks away from a Warner Brothers Pictures film because of “creative differences” we are left to ask ourselves: What on earth is going on over at Warner Bros?

Neil Turitz said:
Another day, another director leaves one of the Warner Bros.’ DCEU movies. This time, it’s Rick Famuyiwa walking away from The Flash solo flick, making him the second director to do so, after the movie’s original screenwriter, Seth Grahame-Smith, did the same earlier this year. This, after Emmy winner Michelle MacLaren departed from the Wonder Woman movie in 2015. All of these moves happened due to, let’s say it all together now, “creative differences.” Which leads me to one, very serious, very obvious question.

What on earth is going on over there at Warner Bros.?

I mean, I know that they’ve been playing catch up to Marvel for the better part of a decade, and there’s a lot of internal insecurity and issues of self-worth and inadequacy because of it, but that doesn’t excuse some of the actions, decisions and, well, chaos that have been coming out of the Warner executive suites. It is, however, something of a surprise to learn that, despite the personnel problems plaguing some of its biggest and most important movies, nobody over there appears to be spending a lot of time hovering over the panic button.

I know someone who is familiar with the inner workings of the DC world, and he and I talk on occasion, especially when I have some particular thoughts on items like how awful Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was and how, somehow, Suicide Squad was even worse, and he usually finds this amusing and humors me and my particular brand of bratty, entitled whining about what I, as a connoisseur of all things superhero related, deserve as a consumer. But when I called him this week to ask him about this Flash thing and what the devil is going on over there, his response was a tad different.

“Sorry,” he said. “We were too busy laughing about all the money we made on Suicide Squad to worry too much about this latest turn of events with a movie that isn’t as high on our list of important projects. I mean, it’s not like it’s Aquaman.”

I thought he was kidding about that last part, but as we talked, I realized he was being dead serious, and for the first time, I was given an inside look at how the sausage gets made over there. For starters, they actually did make a heck ton of money on Suicide Squad, which did wonders for the company’s third quarter numbers. I don’t blame you for being surprised, because my eyes actually popped about that tidbit, too. There was a bunch of other stuff that surprised me, as well, so hang onto your hat. It’s about to get real all up in here.

First and foremost, let’s go over some things I think we all already knew. Like the fact that everybody panicked over there after BvS didn’t do the business they were hoping it would do and it got killed by critics and fans alike. That led to the promoting of Geoff Johns and Jon Berg to oversee the DCEU, as well as the hiring of Ben Affleck to executive produce and, essentially, babysit Zack Snyder on the set of the two-part Justice League movie they just finished shooting in England.

Now some of the stuff you might not have known. Johns was hired more for street cred than anything else, taking advantage of his status as a superstar comic book writer. Berg — who oversaw the Christopher Nolan Batman movies which, if you might recall, were slightly successful — is viewed as a brilliant guy in-house and is really the one everyone trusts to make the whole thing go the way it should. The mid-stream course correction is only unfortunate because it’s happening in public, but people are actually feeling good about things there in Burbank for the first time in a while.

Why? Because, apparently, Justice League looks dynamite. Totally different from anything Snyder has done before and, in fact, reasonably coherent as a movie. It’s a welcome change from a director who is not universally loved within the company, where many see him as, and again, I’m paraphrasing, a guy who got lucky with a popcorn movie on a couple weekends in March of 2007 and hasn’t made a single good film since. Everything he touches turns to dust (seriously, go watch Sucker Punch again, I dare you), and yet, the powers that be thought it was a good idea to give him the keys to the car, which he then just about drove into a bridge embankment.

Additionally, everybody is really excited about Wonder Woman, which looks amazing and is in good hands with Patty Jenkins, the director chosen to replace MacLaren, who was apparently in way over her head and not prepared to make the movie the company wanted her to make. So, they went with Jenkins who, you might recall, left Marvel’s Thor: The Dark World over something known as “creative differences.”

(Also, and this is important, these types of things are not isolated to Warner Bros. and the DC movies, as you might recall that Marvel also cut ties with Edgar Wright over Ant-Man after he’d been working on it for years, and Fox and Tim Miller just recently parted ways over the Deadpool sequel when he couldn’t agree on certain casting and story issues with star Ryan Reynolds and the writing team of Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick, and now the first film’s composer, Tom Holkenborg has split, too, in solidarity with his director. Additionally, there’s the revolving door of directors on Channing Tatum’s Gambit flick that might never even happen, the series of directors who attached themselves, then detached themselves from Bruce Willis’ Death Wish remake before Eli Roth finally agreed to do it, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt walking away from the Sandman movie he had spent years developing for something else I have heard referred to as “creative differences.” These things happen, and they happen all the time, it just seems like they happen more often with Warner Bros.’ DC Comics movies.)

On top of all that, and with all due respect and apologies, it’s not like Rick Famuyiwa or Seth Grahame-Smith is James Wan. If Wan, whose movies have grossed over $2.5 billion worldwide, walked away from Aquaman, then there would be panic in the aisles and a good, old-fashioned, all around freakout. He’s the heavyweight filmmaker the company needs for industry gravitas, and the buzz about star Jason Momoa is so good, there is already some consideration to rotate The Flash out of its March 2018 release slot and move Aquaman up from that July to take its place. Wonder Woman and Justice League both need to work, or else, unlike The Flash, which doesn’t carry the same weight and is, by the way, already huge on television. Aquaman is seen as a groundbreaker and keenly important as well and has everyone in something of a tizzy.

Which means that Warner is actually feeling pretty good about all of this and isn’t terribly worked up about what the press or the fanboys or anyone else is saying, because they know more than you do and are perfectly happy to let the chips fall where they may, and whoever doesn’t like it can go ahead and lump it.

Now, that is all well and good, but it doesn’t change the fact that the company didn’t really dig in for the proper due diligence on any of the three directors it’s lost over the last year and a half. The fact that they weren’t a good fit — Grahame-Smith is the biggest thinker, seeing as how he wrote the screenplay and was going to make his directorial debut on what would be a tentpole with a budget well into the nine figures — probably should have been decided before any of them were hired in the first place. That it wasn’t, and that it has happened repeatedly, should be a cause for concern, because there’s no denying that they look a little silly because of it.

The kick of it, though, is that there is concern. Lots of it. It’s just not coming from Warner Bros.
 
My problem is with that statement is that it sends up a lot of red flags, specifically with what Ellis says. Now maybe the studio heads don't care. But it's a script. Why can't they say fix those 30 things? Don't Berg and Johns have the power to do that? I mean, the film hasn't even started production. Why couldn't they "fix" the script now?

I mean, they fired the director of The Flash twice because they didn't like the creative direction it was going. So if it's that early in, why couldn't they make changes?

Which is why I don't believe a word of this. None of it makes sense with what we know. It reeks of the "We overheard someone at a bar say Iron Fist was canceled" rumor.
 
I don't believe this exact story, but I do believe that this attitude is the prevailing mindset amongst numerous WB executives.
 
I don't believe this exact story, but I do believe that this attitude is the prevailing mindset amongst numerous WB executives.

My problem with it is that Ellis makes it sound like these concerned executives have no power to make changes or fix it which is werid.
 
I don't believe this exact story, but I do believe that this attitude is the prevailing mindset amongst numerous Hollywood executives.

Fixed.

But yeah it wouldnt surprise me if these kind of convos happen at all the studios
 
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Easton Ellis is trying to backtrack now. I mean...his statement seems a little naive. If he knew his comments were being recorded in an interview, they were pretty much fair game. Unless they were having some off the record conversation and the reporter shared it anyway.
 
Mr Ellis is downplaying, not backtracking.
 
He may regret it being made public, but he's sticking to the story.
 
Tracking Board:
THE COMPLICATED CASE OF LEADERSHIP AND VISION AT WARNER BROS. AND DC ENTERTAINMENT
After another director walks away from a Warner Brothers Pictures film because of “creative differences” we are left to ask ourselves: What on earth is going on over at Warner Bros?

GREAT find. I respectfully call BS. A studio having no regard for the buzz regarding their projects worked for Bay and transformers. I don't think this crew has what it takes to pull off that kind of balderdash, and even he couldn't do it for five films. If that's what they're really on, that train will fall off pretty quickly after Aquaman.

https://***********/BretEastonEllis/status/794676696565694464

Easton Ellis is trying to backtrack now. I mean...his statement seems a little naive. If he knew his comments were being recorded in an interview, they were pretty much fair game. Unless they were having some off the record conversation and the reporter shared it anyway.

Emphasizing that it's not firsthand just isn't backtracking. Nothing has been contradicted, it's just phrasing to create distance.

And it didn't used to be naive to think that an isolated statement in a lengthy interview will be extracted from all context and published as a lead story, but after Idris Elba's supposed had for the MCU and this, I think more people will wisen up and realize that whatever you say to any interviewer about superhero properties, is like saying it to the lowest common denominator of the blogosphere. There are no intimate interviews, nuance or gradation when it comes to these subjects in public.
 
I'm not one to be naive about how these studios work, I know they are in it for the money, but reading that article above this is the first time I genuinely believe they don't care about the characters they have, they are only interested in how much money they can make from them. Contrast that with Marvel who clearly love the characters the have.
 
Marvel are a studio geared towards 'one' single property / purpose, to place their characters on screen, WB have numerous fingers in numerous pies, they are not a 'superhero' driven studio as such, in the face of it, all execs will place $$$ before character development, script, direction, casting, to an exec, they are decisions for the film maker to convince them they get a return on investment, that's all they are interested in.

I think Marvel have done well to steer the ship they have and whilst I am openly a bigger fan of DC characters and the films released, Marvel have found a 'product' that serves them well, but I'd argue (for want of a better word) that WB/DC are taking bigger risk v reward with their films.

I think they feel 'bitten' by Snyder's films to a degree and are now re-positioning themselves to a 'lighter' feel, there is room for both a lighter touch and darker hue, personally I've loved the DCEU to date, and can see it's evolution, I cannot comment on why The Flash is having a hiring and firing situation, creativce difference can cover a multitude of sins, he is by the very notion, a lighter character than either Batman or Superman, but there is darkness in there and so maybe finding the balance is being the problem.

Wonder Woman, from trailers, looks completely 'on point', personally, I think once again, WB/DC are getting in the neck, whilst Marvel can produce and release basically the same film on rinse & repeat and be praised to the hilt. For me there is no imagination with Marvel, whereas, some would would say the execution is failed at WB but at least they are seeing a bigger picture of originality and broadening a universe and the execs have brought into that, at Marvel it's what Feige wants, he gets.
 
No imagination at Marvel?

The whole idea of the MCU takes a large amount of imagination. Who did a superhero heist movie? which other superhero movie had effects like Dr. Strange? Setting Cap 1 in WWII? The way SFX were used in Ant-Man and Dr. Strange alone showed tons of imagination.

I understand liking Marvel, but to say there's no imagination is crazy
 
No imagination at Marvel?

The whole idea of the MCU takes a large amount of imagination. Who did a superhero heist movie? which other superhero movie had effects like Dr. Strange? Setting Cap 1 in WWII? The way SFX were used in Ant-Man and Dr. Strange alone showed tons of imagination.

I understand liking Marvel, but to say there's no imagination is crazy

I just meant in the sense of for me, (I appreciate it's only my opinion) that you can take any of the Marvel films and it's re-tread, origin story, dull villain, final battle template and place it over any of the films.
 
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