What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope?

[Erzengel]

A poster on another messageboard complained that Civil War was billed as a direct adaption of the series.

Some of these series would take a whole season on TV or Netflix to take every theme of the series.

 

[Jekecy]

COIE is too convoluted to work as a movie, that story was a product of its time, just an excuse to streamline the DC universe back in the 80s, its not a good blue print for a movie.

Much like Civil War, they only need to honor the basic premise; a cataclysmic event which resets and alters all the universes. They can even sprinkle a little bit of Flashpoint in there if they want to add some agency, and avoid Anti-Monitor altogether.

 

[brandeezy89]

You would take the man that would green light a movie where its a bunch of superheroes & villains watching paint dry ? He does not care about a good script & based on Ben Afflecks recent comments it feels like Kevin Tsujihara is making Ben not wanna direct The Batman by pushing him to meet a certain date which is something Ben does not wanna do. If Ben quits the DCEU this year would you still want Kevin Tsujihara ? Especially since he wont be needed if he tells the WB **** off over The Batman & Kevin Tsujihara would just fast track Sirens & the stupid side of the DCEU. If Ben quits the DCEU like his buddy Zack Snyder did (hes not coming back) its game over for this DCEU end of story

I think you just have a hatred for Kevin, Ben has been trolling the media with his Batman comments all year and people like you are eating it up. Remember this 2 weeks ago? The movie is getting made with him in the director's chair, end story.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/ben-affleck-batman-live-by-night-1201941876/

Also the bad guy was Greg Silverman which is why he was fired. He greenlit a bunch of movies that flopped and was responsible for Suicide Squad's rushed script. Like someone else said, movies were greenlit before Kevin even took over. Affleck is WB's golden boy alongside Nolan and Eastwood, they're not going to **** him over.

Tom Rothman is at odds with nearly everyone at Sony and Sony is a sinking ship so Kevin T. is nothing like him even though you want him to be.

 

[Nick Morton]

I think you just have a hatred for Kevin, Ben has been trolling the media with his Batman comments all year and people like you are eating it up. Remember this 2 weeks ago? The movie is getting made with him in the director's chair, end story.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/ben-affleck-batman-live-by-night-1201941876/

Also the bad guy was Greg Silverman which is why he was fired. He greenlit a bunch of movies that flopped and was responsible for Suicide Squad's rushed script. Like someone else said, movies were greenlit before Kevin even took over. Affleck is WB's golden boy alongside Nolan and Eastwood, they're not going to **** him over.

Tom Rothman is at odds with nearly everyone at Sony and Sony is a sinking ship so Kevin T. is nothing like him even though you want him to be.

Of course I have a hatred for Kevin as Zack Snyder should have been fired after the mess that was BVS. Kevin may have inherited the mess at the WB but its like Greg never left & Kevin let things get worse & Kevin is just as bad as Rothman in my eyes & you will not get me to think differently & Live By Night is also getting horrible reviews & the link you posted was last month obviously something changed since that article was published

 

[brandeezy89]

Of course I have a hatred for Kevin as Zack Snyder should have been fired after the mess that was BVS. Kevin may have inherited the mess at the WB but its like Greg never left & Kevin let things get worse & Kevin is just as bad as Rothman in my eyes & you will not get me to think differently & Live By Night is also getting horrible reviews & the link you posted was last month obviously something changed since that article was published

They couldn't have fired Zack because JL was shooting a month after BvS with the sets/schedule done and Lol that article was posted 2 and half weeks ago, it's only the 2nd of January. Also Greg just left recently what are you talking about? Of course it's like he never left because he was still there during all of it. Kevin isn't going anywhere because they made a lot of profit this year like it or not. Who cares about Live By Night, every director makes a bad movie. I didn't know that every bad movie at WB is WB's fault and not the director or producers.

 

[Luke234]

At this point, just become more focused in their overall approach in storytelling.
Batman v Superman had a lot of great ideas that just got jumbled together, so it wasn't as hard-hitting as it could have been.

I don't feel like DC/WB needs to go lighter with their films, unless it's a natural change that compliments the overall story. I'm sure the Flash, alone, will bring humor, but it doesn't need to be forced. I don't want cheesy jokes, or dance-offs.

Question: I keep seeing " dance-off" in these forums. What movie had a dance off? Is this referring to Spider-Man 3?

 

[brandeezy89]

question: I keep seeing " dance-off" in these forums. What movie had a dance off? Is this referring to spider-man 3?

gotg

 

[Quasimod0]

Question: I keep seeing " dance-off" in these forums. What movie had a dance off? Is this referring to Spider-Man 3?

Guardians of the Galaxy had a "dance off". It totally fit with the tone of the movie though

 

[Luke234]

Guardians of the Galaxy had a "dance off". It totally fit with the tone of the movie though

Oh.

 

[Dasher10]

The last two films were critically reviled. The Flash can't keep a director. The Batman looks like it's also in trouble. Hearing rumors about Wonder Woman. Justice League is also being directed by Snyder.

Seems like DC can't do much of anything right. I really want DC to do better but I'll be the first person to admit that I have low expectations. When Aquaman is the film that's the most likely to be a hit, it's a sign that DC are really failing to give me any confidence.

 

[Silver Surfer]

The last two films were critically reviled. The Flash can't keep a director. The Batman looks like it's also in trouble. Hearing rumors about Wonder Woman. Justice League is also being directed by Snyder.

Seems like DC can't do much of anything right. I really want DC to do better but I'll be the first person to admit that I have low expectations. When Aquaman is the film that's the most likely to be a hit, it's a sign that DC are really failing to give me any confidence.

What rumors? Don't tell me this another rotten DC movie coming.

 

[DigificWriter]

The last two films were critically reviled.

And yet they were financially successful, proving that critical opinion means jack.

The Flash can't keep a director.

So?

The Batman looks like it's also in trouble.

That's a load of bunk.

Hearing rumors about Wonder Woman.

I have no idea what you're talking about, and suspect that whatever "rumors" you think you've heard are BS.

Justice League is also being directed by Snyder.

Just because you might not have liked Batman v Superman or Man of Steel personally (assuming that you didn't) doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Zack Snyder as a director or a storyteller.

This is typical "the sky is falling" nonsense that is ultimately nothing but "noise".

 

[The Joker]

Financial success is a worthless defense. Some of the worst most reviled movies have made profit at the box office. Lots of people don't like Snyder because they feel he is a bad director and storyteller, hence why they don't like his movies because he fails to deliver good movies because of those reasons.

As for The Flash not being able to keep a director, it begs the question why nobody wants to stay on that movie as director. Usually when that happens it's because there's strained relations between director and studio. WB have a history of interfering for the worst with these movies.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Directors leaving projects is very common, but two of them leaving is admittedly not a good sign

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Yeah the Flash movie has some alarm bells ringing for me. Even if it didn't, I'd doubt I'd watch it, mainly because of the Flash TV show. I mean, what kind of plot would the movie have that would differentiate itself from the show? Why should I go out and buy a ticket when the TV series could have the same plot?

 

[2kt09]

Yeah the Flash movie has some alarm bells ringing for me. Even if it didn't, I'd doubt I'd watch it, mainly because of the Flash TV show. I mean, what kind of plot would the movie have that would differentiate itself from the show? Why should I go out and buy a ticket when the TV series could have the same plot?

The tv series is both insanely limited and timid in doing Flashpoint Paradox let alone other notable stories. Sure, there's the animated movie, but...it seems everyone wants a live-action vers. of those as it ties in to w/e ongoing continuity there is with this DCEU.

For the first Flash movie ever they're probably still looking for a unique intro story that hasn't already been done elsewhere.

 

[Flint Marko]

And yet they were financially successful, proving that critical opinion means jack.

Except both of Snyder's DCEU films thus far have come in under expectations so..... hmm.

Just because you might not have liked Batman v Superman or Man of Steel personally (assuming that you didn't) doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Zack Snyder as a director or a storyteller.

Except both of Snyder's DCEU films thus far have come in under expectations so..... hmm.

 

[DigificWriter]

How in the world is earning a combined 1 billion plus considered performing "below expectations?

 

[Flint Marko]

How is 800+ million dollars performing "below expectations"?

You're joking, right?

I guarantee you that Warner executives are more than happy with Suicide Squad's financial success and will count BvS' financial earnings as a "win" as well.

That must be why they had a shake-up behind the scenes at WB and called in all those journalists to assure fans that they are righting the ship. Because they count BvS' final earnings as a "win"

This really is the era of "post-truth".

 

[UltimatePyro9]

The tv series is both insanely limited and timid in doing Flashpoint Paradox let alone other notable stories. Sure, there's the animated movie, but...it seems everyone wants a live-action vers. of those as it ties in to w/e ongoing continuity there is with this DCEU.

For the first Flash movie ever they're probably still looking for a unique intro story that hasn't already been done elsewhere.

That's what I see as the biggest problem with the Flash movie. It has to do a unique story that hasn't been done elsewhere, especially in the TV show.

I mean it could adapt Flashpoint, but that event was all-encompassing in it's scope that it would be too big for a simple Flash movie.

As I said, why should I go out of my way to watch a Flash movie on the big screen when the plot would be the same as the TV show?

 

[DigificWriter]

BvS and Suicide Squad earned a combined 1 billion plus at the Box Office, so I'll ask it again: how is that performing "below expectations"?

 

[Flint Marko]

BvS and Suicide Squad earned a combined 1 billion plus at the Box Office, so I'll ask it again: how is that performing "below expectations"?

Because they clearly expected more relative to how much they spent on each film and their actions since have confirmed as much? Are you really trying make this argument?

 

[2kt09]

It has to do a unique story that hasn't been done elsewhere, especially in the TV show.

I mean it could adapt Flashpoint, but that event was all-encompassing in it's scope that it would be too big for a simple Flash movie.

As I said, why should I go out of my way to watch a Flash movie on the big screen when the plot would be the same as the TV show?

By elsewhere, I'm actually referring to comic book movies. Like, the series has made it very reminiscent of Spider-Man, but has this baggage of the IT crew that's always buzzing in his ear. For the fastest man alive, he's also so perpetually stuck in this one city.

 

[Skrilla31]

I think Batman and Superman are two of the biggest fictional icons created in the last century, easily bigger than anything you will find in Marvel or Star Wars. Their movies would be making double the amount if they were being utilized to their fullest potential.

To me it just feels like DC movies are going through the same stage that the Star Wars movies did. Right now they are in that 1999-2005 phase. I am still pulling for the day they are resurrected in Disney-like fashion and fully realized in a way we haven't yet seen.

I would inject that Disney/Star Wars magic into the franchise. That eternal optimism and wonderment. The dream like scenery and the enchanting musical score that lifts you out of your seat.

 

[DigificWriter]

Because they clearly expected more relative to how much they spent on each film and their actions since have confirmed as much? Are you really trying make this argument?

Suicide Squad's budget was 175 million and it's BO tally was 745.6 million. That's a net gain of 570.6 million dollars.

BvS' budget was 250 million and it's BO tally was 873.3 million, which is a net gain of 623.3 million dollars, so I'll ask again: how is earning more than 1 million in combined profit performing "below expectations"?