That was awesome. He took it beyond parody and became something else entirely.
"Argh, ugh, Cover the doors. Wherza da twigeraaaahz! Wherea iz it!? AAAAAAHH You'da neerer grive it to an ooorinarie cirrrezen! Wherea iz it! *starts getting tired* whereaizit...?"
Alfred's exposition concerning Bane and the LOS, my god was that terrible. Couldn't we have gotten a scene of Alfred or Bruce discovering this while on the Bat computer researching Bane instead? The Joker scene worked because Alfred's story was a metaphor comparing him to a man from his storied past to a naive Bruce Wayne, punctuated by that almost ghost like shot of Joker in the Bat PC. It was frickin poetry. The Bane exposition was painfully literal.
The Joker worked because Alfred was pointing out that perhaps Bruce didn't understand The Joker. The exposition Alfred has with Bane and the LOS, besides being awkardly inserted into the film, it kind of destroys any mystery Bane had to him in one fell swoop.
He meant it when he said "However long it takes" in BB. Bruce just never expected to meet a true idealist like himself in Harvey Dent during TDK.
And like Alfred said, Bruce was practically waiting for things to go wrong just so he could go back out there and be Batman. During his first appearance as Batman in TDKR, when the cops surrounded him, Batman had this look of a sudden rush of adrenaline as if to say "this is me, at my fullest potential - as the Batman".
That was awesome. He took it beyond parody and became something else entirely.
"Argh, ugh, Cover the doors. Wherza da twigeraaaahz! Wherea iz it!? AAAAAAHH You'da neerer grive it to an ooorinarie cirrrezen! Wherea iz it! *starts getting tired* whereaizit...?"
It's funny because it's true. I still don't know what to think of this...I thought "This city just showed you that its full of people ready to believe in good" was bad, but he did take it to another level...to the point where its almost so absurd you can't help but love it.
Exactly. Which is why the Blake character really connected with me. Blake was like Bruce, incorruptible. Hence, why he was fit to take up the mantle of Batman.
* I wish the final fight was shown more.
* Bruce and Tate should of had a better relationship and chemistry. Thought it was a rushed and force relationship. I didn't feel the emotional empact when Tate revealed herself since they weren't that much of a couple.
* I didn't mind them not showing how Bruce got back to Gotham, but seeing it would of been better.
* Forley was a pretty bad character, I feel the movie wouldn't be very different without him.
* I kinda didn't like Alfred leaving Bruce.
* Bane's death could of been better.
* I feel Batman almost broke his rule when Talia died.
I was looking forward to seeing him 'getting lost inside this monster'. Would have been fascinating. Instead he just moped around a lot feeling sorry for himself. Oh, well. He moped well.
This is a "realistic" portrayal of Bruce Wayne/Batman, before this movie I didn't want Batman to retire, I wanted him to carry on being The Dark Knight...but realistically this just isn't possible, and when you see that Bruce actually was lost in this monster for 8 years and broken down physically...I wanted his curse to be lifted. That is why I love this series, because it showed a different fate for Batman, a fate of HOPE.
With that said, I don't want the next run to attempt to mimic this, it's very cool that Bruce Wayne was so traumatized as a child that Batman was his only way of coping, but for one trilogy, it was nice to see him find his way out of the darkness.
Throughout the trilogy there is a theme that annoys the hell out of me.
But before I get to that I just want to say that overall, I love the trilogy. Its does so much right. The villains are handled expertly. The plots are great. The action, the acting, all top-notch.
But there are MASSIVE problems, like
Alfred walking out on Bruce. Alfred would never abandon Bruce, he's with him to the bitter end. Right or wrong, Alfred is there for Bruce, for the journey.
Not in TDKR though!
In BATMAN BEGINS Bruce Wayne is ready to quit being Batman so he can settle down with Rachel and have a normal life. BS!
In THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Bruce is again looking for a way out. Again, BS.
There is a scene in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES that gives me hope, Bruce says to Alfred that after the death of Rachel there is nothing left for him to live for except the Batman. THIS is the Batman from the comics. The Batman is not only dedicated, he's obsessed, for him, THERE IS NO CHOICE. He didn't choose the life, the life choose him.
As Rachel says in Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne is dead, that boy never survived the night his parents died. He died in that alley with them.
But then what do we find at the conclusion of TDKR? A F**KING HAPPY ENDING!
WTF?
This is BATMAN, The DARK Knight! Batman
doesn't RETIRE!
Batman doesn't give up.
The Batman of Nolan's trillogy is only interested in fighting ORGANIZED crime, the REAL Batman is obsessed to eradicating ALL crime, street crime, petty crime, burglary, rape, murder etc...
The Batman doesn't QUIT. EVER.
Its a FUNDAMENTAL aspect of the dark knight. How can Nolan get so much right, and yet miss the point of Batman ENTIRELY???
I bloody love the trilogy, and yet I bloody hate it as well. Arh!
Yeah, I don't agree that it wasn't long enough. I think the length was fine. What's troubling about the film to me is that it IS so long and they waste so much time within that running time. Characters that go nowhere. JGL could have had the same effect with much less sceentime. Modine didn't need to be in the film at all. Not enough Bruce, Alfred, Catwoman, Gordon.
Exactly, it's not at all the same, and I also don't feel that's necessarily a bad thing. Nolan created his own lane within the Batman mythos, I don't know why this is such a horribly bad move. This Bruce has always viewed Batman as a temporary thing, had Dent not stepped forward at that press conference in TDK, Bruce would've quit then. In BB, he says he wants to inspire people and shake them out of apathy. In TDKR, he's finally done that. Story over.
I really think that IMAX time limit really hurt TDKR as I feel that some scenes had to be shortened or even take out of the theatrical cut. I kinda hope Nolan breaks his one rule and gives us a director's cut.
* I wish the final fight was shown more.
* Bruce and Tate should of had a better relationship and chemistry. Thought it was a rushed and force relationship. I didn't feel the emotional empact when Tate revealed herself since they weren't that much of a couple.
* Forley was a pretty bad character, I feel the movie wouldn't be very different without him.
So far, these three are what I have complaints over. The final fight should've been much longer; not really saying Batman vs Bane should've been longer, but I wouldn't mind seeing a longer battle between the League of Shadows/mercenaries/criminals vs the GCPD. I was hoping for an epic battle on that front and we barely got anything from it.
Miranda Tate, before the reveal, DEFINITELY needed some development. Maybe a little more on the relationship with Bruce, but mostly with her own character. She felt like a minor character that became a main villain. I didn't mind the reveal or how her arc came to be, but beforehand, she needed more.
And then we have Foley...the Deputy Commissioner that seemed so out of place, and speaking of a DC...just, why? I mean, there wasn't a Deputy Commissioner tagging along with Loeb in BB/TDK, so why bring a character such as that in TDKR?
* I feel Batman almost broke his rule when Talia died.
Nolan's Bruce Wayne is only trying to create a symbol that doesn't die even when Bruce knows some day he will die. The comics' Bruce Wayne is trying to create a character that seemingly never dies and gives hope for others to tag along with him in his crusade.
I really think that IMAX time limit really hurt TDKR as I feel that some scenes had to be shortened or even take out of the theatrical cut. I kinda hope Nolan breaks his one rule and gives us a director's cut.
So far, these three are what I have complaints over. The final fight should've been much longer; not really saying Batman vs Bane should've been longer, but I wouldn't mind seeing a longer battle between the League of Shadows/mercenaries/criminals vs the GCPD. I was hoping for an epic battle on that front and we barely got anything from it.
Miranda Tate, before the reveal, DEFINITELY needed some development. Maybe a little more on the relationship with Bruce, but mostly with her own character. She felt like a minor character that became a main villain. I didn't mind the reveal or how her arc came to be, but beforehand, she needed more.
And then we have Foley...the Deputy Commissioner that seemed so out of place, and speaking of a DC...just, why? I mean, there wasn't a Deputy Commissioner tagging along with Loeb in BB/TDK, so why bring a character such as that in TDKR?
Maybe, but I think that whole death was supposed to resemble her father's death.
Nolan's Bruce Wayne is only trying to create a symbol that doesn't die even when Bruce knows some day he will die. The comics' Bruce Wayne is trying to create a character that seemingly never dies and gives hope for others to tag along with him in his crusade.
That was awesome. He took it beyond parody and became something else entirely.
"Argh, ugh, Cover the doors. Wherza da twigeraaaahz! Wherea iz it!? AAAAAAHH You'da neerer grive it to an ooorinarie cirrrezen! Wherea iz it! *starts getting tired* whereaizit...?"
Every minute Bane was on the screen was wasted film. I have never liked the character and cringed when it was announced he was the villian. I hoped that a better character would be the main villain, but alas, Nolan wasted all that valuable time on Bane when Selina and Talia are much more interesting characters. Even in the film Bane is reduced to nothing more than muscle when Talia is revealed as the mastermind behind the plot. Totally wasted.
Every minute Bane was on the screen was wasted film. I have never liked the character and cringed when it was announced he was the villian. I hoped that a better character would be the main villain, but alas, Nolan wasted all that valuable time on Bane when Selina and Talia are much more interesting characters. Even in the film Bane is reduced to nothing more than muscle when Talia is revealed as the mastermind behind the plot. Totally wasted.
Where in the movie did we find out Talia wanted to break the Bat? Or wanted Gotham to be a war-torn city? No, all we found out was that Talia wanted to devise the endgame and destroy Gotham with a bomb.
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