The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[Golgo-13]

All it takes is one lay

I mean seduce or not, c'mon man? He's like head over heels for her in the climax. Just didn't make sense...unless Batman has the sexual maturity of a 16 year old.

You don't earn my trust with one lay.

Obviously you haven't been with enough woman......some woman can do that to you with one lay! She was probably a real tomcat under the sheets, and Bruce looked totally giddy as she tended to the fire, in the after sex scene of them. At least he got to hit it before he went to prison.

I didn't think he was head over heels with her, he liked her, but wasn't in love. I agree that their connection should have been further shown on screen. It would have made the betrayal all the more powerul at the end.

I didn't see any connection, romantically between him and Selina in the slightest either. He had more in common with Mirander; both lost their parents through tradgedy, both were trained by the LOS, and they're the only two to ever escape the pit.

 

[UaalaDan]

I agree. They all had their exits in a sloppy, "**** happens" nature... Ra's too, but at least that one had good execution. As for Two-Face, I liked the whole ending and what his death meant in the scheme of the story, but how he was just thrown off a balcony by Batman? Brings it down in my eyes. The camera work there was awkward too.

Amazing:
Joker

Good:
Ras

Poor:
Two-Face
Scarecrow (film 2)

Terrible:
Bane
Talia
Scarecrow (film 1)

Agreed.

 

[blknrdcllctv]

...some woman can do that to you with one lay!

Painfully true!
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[Ecuanime]

I wanted a good Lucius Fox moment like we had in BB "Didn't you get the memo?" and TDK "Let me get this straight, you think your client..." Didn't have a great moment like that in TDKR, but still love the movie anyway. I'm just glad he didn't die, because I swore that Bane was going to hang him on that bridge.

 

[Schlosser85]

I believed that "spoiler" that said Talia killed him.

 

[Ecuanime]

If I were the director or if I were advising Nolan.


2. For some reason I didn't feel like Bruce was being "psychologically" tortured in prison when Bane left the prison. He didn't seem to watch the television as Bane was taking over. I also felt his escape from the prison was too easy.

Was too easy? He tried twice before, aggravating his damaged back in the process. Luckily, he wasn't pyschologically tortured too much, but motivated to act and encouraged by the fellow prisoners

 

[Ecuanime]

It's probably been brought up, but I didn't like how screwed over Gordon was in the end. Yeh the guy who backed Batman from the start.. left to deal with the consequences of the whole truth about Dent coming out, on his own (I mean are meant to believe everyone was fine with him after he blatantly lied and covered up an investigation?). Whilst Batman ****s off to Italy with a clean slate and a woman in tow!! Or did I miss something?

I don't look at it like that. Gordon also has a clean slate since he also helped to save Gotham and lead the fight agains Bane.

 

[TomPiltoff]

Obviously you haven't been with enough woman......some woman can do that to you with one lay! She was probably a real tomcat under the sheets, and Bruce looked totally giddy as she tended to the fire, in the after sex scene of them. At least he got to hit it before he went to prison.

Wow you couldn't be giving me bigger *****e chills if you tried.

This has probably already been brought up, but another thing that stuck out to me is that it seems like the cops should be utterly dead. It seems like a handful of them have some handguns, meanwhile they're charging headfirst into Bane's guys who are firing assault rifles everywhere.

Also hated how Bruce Wayne gets Bane's backstory via dream Liam Neeson. I can't believe Nolan delivered that information that way, to the point that when it was revealed to be a dream I thought to myself "....oh wait, so was that all bull**** then?"

 

[Fudgie]

Bane's voice
Bane being Talia's errand boy because he loved her
Gordon was boring
Hardly any Batman screen time
All the time wasted with Bruce trying to climb a well was boring
Blake was boring
Foley was boring
Miranda was boring
The siege was rushed

 

[TDKR2012]

i LOVED TDKR,

although i found that a lot of the Miranda Tate stuff could have been cut out, cause a lot of those scenes were the ones that didn't feel as tight in the story. it slowed down the story imo,
or it could be the entire fusion reactor stuff... they coulda trimmed that, and it seemed like too big of a thing in the movie (which it was), but it's background took over a lot of the plot

also, the scene where Talia reveals her name with the flashbacks, and her explaining her whole prison escape/who she was didn't seem organic enough, perhaps the way she explained it was too scripted or something,

Bane's voice in the fixed prologue was NASTY as well.. wasn't in line with how it sounds in the rest of the movie, it didn't even sound like Tom Hardy, and the dialogue felt forced (by that i mean, everything sounded / felt delivered like a direct response to the criticism of the original prologue... it felt dumbed down)

either way, this movie was amazing. blew me away,

 

[Mace Dolex]

I don't thinks it's been mentioned here but it's never explained how Bane gets his freakish strength without the mention of the venom serum the audience is left to believed he's just jacked up like that.

And how exactly does Bane's mask keep him alive? the backstory on him didn't explain alot.

 

[The Guard]

I would like to know why Mr.Reese never came forward bout Batman once he heard he killed Dent and those cops, what happened to Ramirez, and at least a mention o the most notorious criminal in Gotham's history..The Joker.

He was murdered by someone who didn’t realize that The Joker had already blown up a hospital.

still stand by what I said...Miranda was slick as hell. The seduction and manipulation was so very subtle in that scene. I think a lot of folks missed

She basically jumped him. Kissed him, and then they made love by the fire.

How was that subtle?

I don't thinks it's been mentioned here but it's never explained how Bane gets his freakish strength without the mention of the venom serum the audience is left to believed he's just jacked up like that.

Pretty sure that was adrenaline from pain

 

[mego joe]

What I didn't like...most of it??

I actually was quite didappointed and let down. Not in quality of filmaking or action, but in certain story choices. I felt like it was really a movie in which Batverse characters appeared but not really a Batman film. I feel like it deviated too much from the feel of the comics. I think Nolan's desire to ground it so much in reality hurt it.

It really truncated Batman's career to a couple years, an eight year retirement and a few month's return. I never really felt like he had acomplished his mission after the events of The Dark Knight. At the end of that film it seemed he would continue working with the police chasing him. It didn't seem right that he would retire at that point. That just didn't work for me at all.

I think there were so many characters that Selina and Talia didn't get the attention they deserved. I've never liked Bane so his inclusion to me was wrong headed from the start. I understand his use in the film, but I think it would have been better if we had known Miranda was Talia for more of the film, and we just didn't know her true intentions until the end.

One thing that I think they got wrong was the notion that the Batman itdentity can be handed off to someone else. While it works with the themes of symbol and annonymity established in the first film, if there's one thing we've learned in the comics, Bruce Wayne is uniquely Batman, b/c Bruce Wayne is the mask and The Batman is the real person. I even think Batman Begins established that there are 3 key elements to Bruce being Batman:

1. Mindset
2. The Training and
3. The Resources.

He's passing the resources on to Blake but that's it. The whole bit with symbol and anonymity make Bruce larger than life but it's more than that. It's having the skills and mindset to be successful and not a corpse.

I also think Nolan was more interested in ending things than in telling a good Batman story. So much of the film was devoted to Blake and giving Bruce an out that it took away from telling a good Batman story. As mentioned above that screentime could have been used to develop Selina and Talia more effectively. And if we could have dropped Bane we really could have gotten a good Batman film.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

I don't thinks it's been mentioned here but it's never explained how Bane gets his freakish strength without the mention of the venom serum the audience is left to believed he's just jacked up like that.

And how exactly does Bane's mask keep him alive? the backstory on him didn't explain alot.

To be fair, it was never explained how The Joker in TDK had near-invulnerability, either. He survies a truck flipping over, getting the crap beat out of him by Batman, an explosion in the police station, etc...and keeps on laughing.

 

[UaalaDan]

What I didn't like...most of it??

I actually was quite didappointed and let down. Not in quality of filmaking or action, but in certain story choices. I felt like it was really a movie in which Batverse characters appeared but not really a Batman film. I feel like it deviated too much from the feel of the comics. I think Nolan's desire to ground it so much in reality hurt it.

It really truncated Batman's career to a couple years, an eight year retirement and a few month's return. I never really felt like he had acomplished his mission after the events of The Dark Knight. At the end of that film it seemed he would continue working with the police chasing him. It didn't seem right that he would retire at that point. That just didn't work for me at all.

I think there were so many characters that Selina and Talia didn't get the attention they deserved. I've never liked Bane so his inclusion to me was wrong headed from the start. I understand his use in the film, but I think it would have been better if we had known Miranda was Talia for more of the film, and we just didn't know her true intentions until the end.

One thing that I think they got wrong was the notion that the Batman itdentity can be handed off to someone else. While it works with the themes of symbol and annonymity established in the first film, if there's one thing we've learned in the comics, Bruce Wayne is uniquely Batman, b/c Bruce Wayne is the mask and The Batman is the real person. I even think Batman Begins established that there are 3 key elements to Bruce being Batman:

1. Mindset
2. The Training and
3. The Resources.

He's passing the resources on to Blake but that's it. The whole bit with symbol and anonymity make Bruce larger than life but it's more than that. It's having the skills and mindset to be successful and not a corpse.

I also think Nolan was more interested in ending things than in telling a good Batman story. So much of the film was devoted to Blake and giving Bruce an out that it took away from telling a good Batman story. As mentioned above that screentime could have been used to develop Selina and Talia more effectively. And if we could have dropped Bane we really could have gotten a good Batman film.

Completely agree.

 

[db85usa]

- Didn't like the 8 year disappearance. I don't care. In my mind, Batman would never disappear out of the blue.

- Batman going after Bane without preparing and no plan B. This was the weakest Batman we've seen to date. Where was the preparation, the suspense? He's the world's greatest detective! He should've known about Bane beforehand and did his homework like usual.

- Dislike the whole someone taking up Batman's mantle. I know realism is the theme here, but I just don't like the idea and it was handled sloppy in TDKR.

- The music. Nothing fresh. I loved BB and TDK' scores. It's obvious we missed JNH's dramatic string section/piano. He may have contributed to BB and TDK more than we know.

- Alfred would never leave Bruce. I don't care what anyone says. No matter how hard it gets, he would never leave and he does just that. By the end of the film, I laughed when he cried because he says he failed him. No ****!

- Bruce giving up so easily on everything. His fortune, the company his father built. It was like he didn't care.

- The voice of Batman/Bane. I got to a point where I was incredibly annoyed by the growling voice. Then again, if we're going for realism then of course you'd have to disguise your voice but, listening to Batman and Bane talk during some scenes made me laugh.

- While I still enjoy TDKR, I rank it behind TDK and BB. It doesn't feel like a Batman film. The first 15 minutes I realized everyone got sloppy. The writers, weak dialogue, the dull acting, the score. Were these guys just not up to the task or what?? I've compared TDKR's music to TDK/BB and it doesn't stack up. I went and saw Rises a third time, then watched BB/TDK at home. And still, Rises doesn't feel like a Batman film to me. I can't quite put my finger on it yet.

 

[UaalaDan]

TDKR was such a disappointment that maybe I've seen a different cut of it. IDK WTF is going on.

I really can't get over the mess that was this script, ending that made no sense whatsoever and characters I didn't care for.

 

[kvz5]

- Quick cuts/ abrupt scene transitions (the Bruce/Gordon hospital scene comes to mind)
- Hinted story arcs that ended up being underdeveloped (Gordon being replaced, Hermit Bruce, rich vs poor, etc.)
- Too much time spent on some arcs (Daggett)
- Underdeveloped characters (Tatelia)
- Not enough Batman/Catwoman, Gordon, Alfred scenes
- Selina/Catwoman and Batman almost completely MIA in the 2nd act
- Last shot
- The Wayne Legacy not explored again

 

[DuceFace]

To be fair, it was never explained how The Joker in TDK had near-invulnerability, either. He survies a truck flipping over, getting the crap beat out of him by Batman, an explosion in the police station, etc...and keeps on laughing.

The thing with the Joker is that he was perfect in the movie. He could have done anything and it would have been believable.

I've been trying to pinpoint what I don't like about this movie. I've been anticipating this since it was announced, I really want to like it and I'm trying so hard, but I really can't. I saw it a second time in a regular theater after seeing it at the San Francisco IMAX on opening night. The image quality was not what I expected, there was a ton of motion blur and the images were not sharp at all. The sound was way too loud and it just sounded distorted and awful. These problems most likely have to do with the theater, has anyone else seen it here?

I think the main things that I really don't like are Bane and the ending. The inconsistencies in his vocal performance were really distracting. I'm not pinning this on Tom Hardy, I'm pinning this on Nolan and the sound mixers. I heard plenty of amazing takes in the trailers, but in the movie everything was different. It really seems like they had trouble getting his voice to sound clear enough. The prologue was completely redone for the movie and his voice sounds totally out of place, he's so much louder than the other guy talking. He's just too loud in most of the mixes. He's not Darth Vader, why does it sound like his voice is amplified so much? There was one set of lines they used where it just totally sounded like Tom Hardy. It seemed like one of those ADR takes where they had to go back months later to record the lines and Hardy just couldn't get back into character. Nolan always said he hated ADR, so it seems like there was just too much pressure from WB's to re-record some lines.

Maybe I'll get over it, but right now, all I can focus on when Bane is talking is his voice. The post production work on him really butchered his character, the mask really made it too easy for them to swap different lines in and out. I wonder what he will sound like when overdubbed in spanish. It might actually be cool to edit the scenes of Bane speaking spanish into the english movie.

Watch the original prologue and listen to how much better his lines were delivered, maybe they were harder to understand at first, but his voice was just so much more developed there. http://www.telly.com/H3GG8?fromtwitvid=1

 

[LoveDragonDon]

No one smart enough to figure out Batman=Bruce Wayne since Batman went exile for 8 years, so did Bruce Wayne??

BIGGEST plot hole there... besides escaping a nuclear bomb with 5 seconds left in the end.

 

[DuceFace]

No one smart enough to figure out Batman=Bruce Wayne since Batman went exile for 8 years, so did Bruce Wayne??

BIGGEST plot hole there... besides escaping a nuclear bomb with 5 seconds left in the end.

Would you ever expect Mitt Romney to be Batman? No one would ever think that. Also, Blake figured it out.

 

[LoveDragonDon]

Would you ever expect Mitt Romney to be Batman? No one would ever think that. Also, Blake figured it out.

Should be way more people than Blake.... everyone smart!

 

[DuceFace]

Also, Bruce didn't go into exile for 8 years, he tried to be Bruce Wayne and and worked on the energy project at Wayne Corp. but he couldn't follow through with the device because it could be used as a weapon, he was still Batman and he never became Bruce. Even though he was in exile all those years, he was always Batman.

So they didn't go into exile at the same time, it just took Batman 4 years to realize that he couldn't be Bruce Wayne.

 

[Anno_Domini]

No one smart enough to figure out Batman=Bruce Wayne since Batman went exile for 8 years, so did Bruce Wayne??

Miranda, and I believe Lucius as well, said that Bruce worked on that fusion reactor and then went into exile while Bruce "retired" from being Batman for those entire eight years.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Obviously you haven't been with enough woman......some woman can do that to you with one lay! She was probably a real tomcat under the sheets, and Bruce looked totally giddy as she tended to the fire, in the after sex scene of them. At least he got to hit it before he went to prison.

I didn't think he was head over heels with her, he liked her, but wasn't in love. I agree that their connection should have been further shown on screen. It would have made the betrayal all the more powerul at the end.

I didn't see any connection, romantically between him and Selina in the slightest either. He had more in common with Mirander; both lost their parents through tradgedy, both were trained by the LOS, and they're the only two to ever escape the pit.

Yeah, and as I think back one thing that bothered me was Ra's developed an emotional connection with Bruce when they'd sit and talk or whatever in the beginning. Miranda really never did that. She was a bit of a temptress, but so what, here's your cab fair, go home.

Ra's felt more like a father betraying a son. Talia felt like a "why doesn't your business run stricter background checks?". It's like, okay, she was Talia, why should I care?

Also in the first movie they indicated Ra's Al Ghul was around the whole time. This time it was like "oh, Ra's had a daughter, okay, whatever, I guess she'll got be evil now".