The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[comicsuperhero]

I still can't get over the idea that Robin figures out who Batman is because of a five minute meeting and seeing him smile once. That bugs me too. I like the character that JGL plays, but that type of explanation makes no sense.

Especially after Gordon and catwoman can't even piece it together.

The way Coleman Reese pieced it together was brilliant IMO. I got how an overzealous accountant would be trying to nose around everywhere and figure things out. But this was just kind of ...

 

[comicsuperhero]

Anyway, was I the only one that laughed at Talia's death scene. I got a few looks during my second viewing last weekend because of my chuckles. It was just funny because of the way Bat's, Gordon, and Catwoman are all looking at her and the way he body is. Its a very funny gif moment ha ha.

The three of them peering into that truck and the Bat's face was just priceless.

 

[comicsuperhero]

My biggest problem was the 8 year gap in which Batman was inactive.

Think about it. If that wasn't the case, MANY of the problems people are having with the film would not exist. The film wouldn't have had to spend that much time pushing Bruce to become Batman again, and it would've made his Fall and ultimate Rise much more poignant. Less wasted time early on, more time for the things everyone wanted to see later on.

I had a problem with the 8 year time gap. Ok, 8 years is a good gap .. in theory. But to see Bruce Wayne with his grey hair and walking cane and acting like a deranged Howard Hughes with arthritis ... was it 8 years or 80? Because it looks like a whole LOT of time passed for them to speak of the Joker's era as "that was wartime" as if it passed DECADES ago. Seriously, his streak of grey hair while dancing with Selina bothered me. And the length of his hair - was he reprising his role from Metroland or Mary, Mother of Jesus? He looked like the mortician from Flowers of War. The before shot.

 

[comicsuperhero]

No mentioned of Arkham or the Narrows. It's like it was erased from existence in this film.

I missed the Narrows and Arkham Asylum the most! It did not "bring it all back to Begins" in that regard! Somehow the whole city seemed structurally differently and engineered differently. I wanted more lingering shots of Blackgate Prison and Selina in there.

 

[The_Fire_Rises]

We can all agree to disagree about the ending of TDKR at this point I think. Personally, I love the ending. It's a different and interesting take on the character.

However, regardless of personal feelings towards it, it completely fits within the world Nolan established in BB. The whole "but as a symbol, I can be everlasting" thing. Really, I don't think TDKR couldn't have ended any other way.

I think what we can all agree on that the execution of that idea in the movie left something to be desired:

1) How Blake figured out Bruce is Batman logically a pretty big wtf moment
2) As people have mentioned before, why was Blake a good choice, but not the Batmen in TDK?
3) The editing of the bomb explosion scene is confusing as hell and leaves us with no real indication of when or how Bruce could have possibly escaped the Bat before the explosion.

 

[comicsuperhero]

The Doritos ad behind Bane's football speech was just ... too ... distracting.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I could have done without [blackout]using Alfred to emotionally manipulate the audience into accepting that Bruce Wayne must exile himself from Gotham at the end.[/blackout]

 

[Easter Lily]

Re: the ending. I think the writing was on the wall pretty much from the beginning. Nolan pretty much hammered that home with the whole "clean slate" theme all throughout the film. Can't say it came as a huge surprise. Neither was the fact that Bane wasn't the master villain. He didn't seem to me to be the plotting type (more like the hired muscle) and the fact that we saw so much of him pretty killed any suspense about him so it really had to be someone else. Maybe it's just years of reading crime fiction that's added to my heightened cynicism.

There were basically three things I didn't like:

Bane. A lot has already been said about his voice so I won't go into it. I didn't find him menacing and s******ed every time he was giving us the benefit of his brand of pit wisdom. The Daleks are probably more sinister and I don't take them seriously. Generally i found it hard to take Bane seriously which was a pity because it took away from the emotion and horror from the reign of terror sequence.

Alfred seemed especially naggy here. Very painful to watch. His ultimatum felt hollow and Bruce's response was discernibly flat. Their exchange before Alfred's departure was rushed and blatantly contrived. I can't say I felt the build up of eight years of angst.

The speechifying really really got on my nerves particularly as it was used to do these flagrant exposition dumps. It seemed like every second or third person was doing Shakespeare or Tolkien really badly.

My overall feeling is that if we were to take out the Batman elements from this film, it would be nothing more than a by-the-numbers siege film. Nolan is a big ideas storyteller and kudos to him but his execution does get wobbly. He plods when he should be moving and moves when he should take the time.
It's not a bad film but I wouldn't call it a great one either. At least I felt, unlike TDK, that I was watching some semblance of a BW/Batman film.

 

[Greens]

The Doritos ad behind Bane's football speech was just ... too ... distracting.

You're not the only one who noticed that

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

The Doritos ad behind Bane's football speech was just ... too ... distracting.

lol

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

We can all agree to disagree about the ending of TDKR at this point I think. Personally, I love the ending. It's a different and interesting take on the character.

However, regardless of personal feelings towards it, it completely fits within the world Nolan established in BB. The whole "but as a symbol, I can be everlasting" thing. Really, I don't think TDKR couldn't have ended any other way.

I think what we can all agree on that the execution of that idea in the movie left something to be desired:

1) How Blake figured out Bruce is Batman logically a pretty big wtf moment
2) As people have mentioned before, why was Blake a good choice, but not the Batmen in TDK?
3) The editing of the bomb explosion scene is confusing as hell and leaves us with no real indication of when or how Bruce could have possibly escaped the Bat before the explosion.

1) How Blake figured out Bruce is Batman logically a pretty big wtf moment

I agree with you on this one.

2) As people have mentioned before, why was Blake a good choice, but not the Batmen in TDK?

I'm guessing because Bruce could see himself in Blake. (Both Orphans/lost parents etc)

3) The editing of the bomb explosion scene is confusing as hell and leaves us with no real indication of when or how Bruce could have possibly escaped the Bat before the explosion

I was a bit like that to esspeciallty when they show his face then the timer at like 1 second or something.

I had thoughts that there may have been 2 Bats or he just dived out of it and no has some major issues with radiation poisoning Honestly though who knows.

 

[DIRECTOR]

My Dislikes:

- Alfred's sudden shift of Batman. In TDK, he said Gotham needed Batman. In TDKR, Alfred was annoying. YOU ARE THE BUTLER, ACT LIKE ONE.

- John Blake's real name is Robin. This is just dumb. I got mad at that. This is probably the most annoying part, because JGL is perfect for Robin, just purrrrrfect. The woman who handed him the bag should have said, "I like your real name......... Mister Grayson". I understand, the makers can change stories from the comic/cartoons for their universe, but please don't change names.

- BATMAN RETIRING? Batman doesn't retire, that isn't who Batman is. It's like this movie forgot who Batman is? He doesn't retire his cowl.

 

[Tojo]

Besides plot hole, contrived motivations and Hardy's silly, illogical and indulgent vocal performance, my overwhelming gripe is this;

Bruce retiring Batman. He should have been killed off instead of retiring, and that way we would have seen that the only way Bruce is giving up the cowl is through death. And preferably at the hands of Bane or Talia, not the bomb, as that would have had messianic undertones and therefore pretty cliche. He still would have sacrificed his life. And he still could have given 'the keys' to Blake beforehand.

This would have had much more impact and resonance than Bruce retiring.

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

Besides plot hole, contrived motivations and Hardy's silly, illogical and indulgent vocal performance, my overwhelming gripe is this;

Bruce retiring Batman. He should have been killed off instead of retiring, and that way we would have seen that the only way Bruce is giving up the cowl is through death. And preferably at the hands of Bane or Talia, not the bomb, as that would have had messianic undertones and therefore pretty cliche. He still would have sacrificed his life. And he still could have given 'the keys' to Blake beforehand.

This would have had much more impact and resonance than Bruce retiring.

May he should have just not come back from Bane first beating and left it to Blake and everyone to sort out.

 

[munchie64]

My Dislikes:

- Alfred's sudden shift of Batman. In TDK, he said Gotham needed Batman. In TDKR, Alfred was annoying. YOU ARE THE BUTLER, ACT LIKE ONE.

- John Blake's real name is Robin. This is just dumb. I got mad at that. This is probably the most annoying part, because JGL is perfect for Robin, just purrrrrfect. The woman who handed him the bag should have said, "I like your real name......... Mister Grayson". I understand, the makers can change stories from the comic/cartoons for their universe, but please don't change names.

- BATMAN RETIRING? Batman doesn't retire, that isn't who Batman is. It's like this movie forgot who Batman is? He doesn't retire his cowl.

- Fair enough although Alfred is way more of a character than a butler.
- That was just a joke in order to cement Blake's position as this films Robin. Grayson would've been way worse because he's nothing like him. They didn't change any names.
- Batman has retired many times.

 

[OutRiddled]

My dislikes:

*how long and boring it was - too much talk, and not much action or interesting things happening (problem I had with the other movies too)
*Christian Bale - yet another wooden performance and ridiculous Batman voice
*Anne Hathaway - this Catwoman may have been more accurate to the comics, but I did not like her character at all, nor did I buy her and Bruce getting together. Michelle Pfeiffer owns her.
*Talia Al Ghul - really stupid plot twist IMO
*Various inconsistencies in the plot
*Hans Zimmer's score didn't do much for me, like the others, very unmemorable
*Robin/John Blake - didn't care for his character at all. Chris O' Donnell did a better job as Robin.

Overall: meh

 

[Tojo]

May he should have just not come back from Bane first beating and left it to Blake and everyone to sort out.

Can't tell if serious or......

 

[BlackFox]

My dislikes:

*how long and boring it was - too much talk, and not much action or interesting things happening (problem I had with the other movies too)
*Christian Bale - yet another wooden performance and ridiculous Batman voice
*Anne Hathaway - this Catwoman may have been more accurate to the comics, but I did not like her character at all, nor did I buy her and Bruce getting together. Michelle Pfeiffer owns her.
*Talia Al Ghul - really stupid plot twist IMO
*Various inconsistencies in the plot
*Hans Zimmer's score didn't do much for me, like the others, very unmemorable
*Robin/John Blake - didn't care for his character at all. Chris O' Donnell did a better job as Robin.

Overall: meh

So pretty much you hate the entire Nolan trilogy then?

and O'Donnell a better Robin - Da Fuuu!?!?!

 

[Chrisbarnes182]

Can't tell if serious or......

Don't worry wasn't being serious. just was getting a bit annoyed that people keep saying he cant retire etc. I dont see why not its not like Batman has retired and he has left Gotham for ruin he has basically gave them an new young fresh Batman.

 

[bruticus]

2. Bane's death. Just felt a little underwhelming for me.

--Yes. This. This is how I envision this portion of the script:

(BANE is starting to kick the crap out of BATMAN. Again.)

BANE: I'm Bane! I broke you once already, this time I'll finish the job! I hold Gotham City hostage! I'm the ultimate expression of Ra's al Ghul's--

WINDOW: CRASH!!

BATCYCLE: VROOOM!!

CATWOMAN: I'm Catwoman! I'm a jewelry thief with great hair!

BATCYCLE GUN: KAPOW!

BANE: Argh!

{BANE dies off-screen}

CATWOMAN: Sarcastic one-liner!

(SCENE ENDS)

DjB

 

[bruticus]

5. The famous Bane breaking Batman's back scene was meh. It lacked the emotional weight and impact (imo and no one in the audience reacted to it). It was just the really quick move. And Batman didn't even scream or anything...

--I agree. In Knightfall, Bane breaks Batman's back and dumps him on the street while proclaiming his ownership of Gotham. THIS is the act that shows Gothamites that Batman cannot protect them, that hope is lost, etc.

But, because Batman was only "active" for a year or two in Nolan's continuity, Gotham wouldn't have had time to view Batman as, if not a "force for good," then perhaps a "constant force against evil."

So, instead of Bane displaying his power by breaking the Bat, he went right to what Dr. Evil considered 3rd or 4th on the Top Ten Acts of Supervillainy.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

1. The military believed the doctor was killed (as per a scene during the football game). This is because Bane pumped the doctor's blood into the body, so when they tried to identify it via bloodtest they would believe it was him.

--Then this was the worst job of corpse-fakery since Piltdown Man. Bane transfused about 1/2 pint of blood from the doctor into the corpse.

If enough of the corpse remained after the crash to use forensics to ID it, there's no way they would have NOT found its original blood.

If NOT enough of the corpse remained to ID it, why did the military (after discovering most-of their extraction airplane in location A, and the rest in location B, and pieces of the wings in locations C-Z) not try a little harder to confirm WTH happened? Nope, "the doctor is dead, end of story."

DjB

 

[bruticus]

1. I didn't like Alfred knew so much about Bane. Couldn't they shot a scene with Bruce and Alfred at the Batcomputer, investigating Bane a bit? It doesn't have to be a long scene but that kinda bothered me.

--"Alfred, I really need to learn more about Bane, but I'm really tired, and Good Eats is on. Can you please do it? The login for the Batcomputer is written on a PostIt next to the keyboard."

"Of course, Master Wayne."

DjB

 

[bruticus]

Dagget's character, for example, seemed almost pointless.

--Good point.

"I'm John Daggett, and I want to (something about corporate takeover or something) so I've hired the most depraved, inhuman mercenary I could find and allowed him unfettered access to my own corporation's ability so he can (something about fake stock transactions involving Bruce Wayne) and then (something about a proxy fight or something) and then I'll become Chairman of Wayne Enterprises! Bwahahahaha!"

DjB

 

[bruticus]

Even the Gordon scene, which I absolutely loved btw and got choked during, I didn't think it was necessary to show the flashback. I knew exactly what Batman was talking about when he told Gordon about the night his parents were killed. I think the sad fact of the matter is a lot of those flashbacks were put in for those that never saw Batman Begins in the first place (which apparently is a lot more people than I thought), because knowing what happened in Begins really is kind of critical in order to understand many key scenes in this film.

--I've seen BB begins many times, but I still needed the flashback because the audio in the theater where I saw TDKR was so bad (unsure if it was the audio equipment, or something wrong with the projection "machinery") that I literally didn't know what Batman said to Gordon before flying off to meet his destiny.

DjB