The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[bruticus]

Too many WTF moments to list...
Also how did Bruce figure out things about Bane thru a hallucination of Ra's al Gul? Doesn't make sense...

--Doesn't Batman actually get this WRONG? He believes that Bane is the son of RAG.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

I think because the the nose tip on the cowl plugs up his nose and therefore Bale has to breathe through his mouth, think of it when you're swimming with goggles on in a sense but I don't know how Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney were spared from this maybe their masks had nostrils in them.

--Then that's a terrible design.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

Oh, and another thing, how did batman put a shed load of petrol in the shape of a bat sign on that bridge. It was epic moment, but so ridiculous, things like that need explaining, if they are they then they are epic, if not it just looks stupid because its such a ridiculous thing to be able to acheieve, I mean how would you even begin trying to do something like that?

--I think it would've been more effective if Gordon had found a wireless flip-switch laying in the snow, rather than a road flare. Then, as he's holding it, wondering "WTF is this," he hears Batman (from what seems to be 3 feet away) say "turn it on." Gordon flips the switch, and a new BatSignal turns on, shining on the bridge. Gordon looks around him, but (duh) he can't see Batman.

Batman's voice (still from 3 feet away) says "let the people of Gotham that fires burn out. But legends never die."

(or "let the people of Gotham know their nightfall is over." GEDDIT??)

Then, in "Gordon's epilogue" at the end of the movie, we see him overseeing the replacement of the broken Signal with this new one.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

Thinking about it further, I am disappointed that Batman never really lead the troops against Bane. There was no rousing speech to rally the cops and lift their spirits; he just flew over them in the Bat.

--That ain't what Batman does. He's not Henry V, or William Wallace. He's The Goddamn Batman. Plus, there shouldn't EVER be a "lead the troops against Bane." Batman /vs/ Bane is SUPPOSED to be 1-on-1, mano-a-mano. As such, I was disappointed that the final fight between these two happened in the middle of a maelstrom of cops-vs-robbers.

The strategy was pretty basic too; just run full force against Bane's army without any weapons. It was the perfect situation to illustrate Batman's strategic mind. Imagine a scene showing Batman, Gordon, and Blake around a table, planning their attack using a map of the city (as in countless WWII movies).

--Not just "basic strategy." Did anybody else notice that Batman flew in, disabled the Tumblers, and then...flew away again? Leaving the cops to rush headlong up 5th Avenue toward a swarm of heavily-armed thugs standing on the steps of City Hall?

Thugs who, apparently, couldn't shoot straight? Those cops should never have made it to melee range.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

I was disappointed there was no nod to the Joker. Obviously an impersonator or scene with him is just disrespectful and unoriginal. However, I believe that during the militarization of Gotham, Gordon or Bruce could have uncovered some bodies with Joker markings or something. Perhaps his card wedged somewhere of importance. Just having one, "Oh ****." moment would've have sent the audience into cheers every time.

--If they'd done that, with nothing else, the fanbois and haters would've been all "WTF? How can you reduce The Fricking Joker to a 30-second reaction shot? Nolan sucks!"

DjB

 

[bruticus]

The stupid knee cartilage thing--how'd that problem get there?

--More to the point, how'd it go away? I don't care what kind of cyber-powered Bat-gizmo he strapped onto his knee, when the cartilage is gone, you can't exercise or rehab it back, you're pretty-much done. Just ask Chase Utley.

Oh, and, didn't the doctor also list "your shoulders" as missing all its cartilage? Again, I don't care what you do, once a shoulder joint goes that far wrong, it'll never be right again.

The government doing nothing for 3 months while a city is held by a terrorist

--Some would say this is the most realistic depiction in the entire movie!

DjB

 

[Jick]

Bane following someone else's plan. I felt he was tamed when Talia revealed herself. I didn't really like his sendoff, either. The other villains had more dramatic defeats.

 

[bruticus]

I loved this movie but the only things I didn't like was how the score drowned out what the characters were saying, Bane's voice (I hardly understood him), and Blake's legal name being Robin. I would have preferred Dick Grayson. They are very minor complaints but over all, I loved this film and thinks it stands up very well to TDK.

--Alas, they don't let cops list something other than full, legal name on their paperwork. He would've had to have been "Officer Grayson" during the entire movie, and that would have been an ultra-giveaway that "this person will NOT be Batman. He MIGHT become Robin...but he will NOT become Batman."

Then, at the end, as he's collecting his gear, the clerk looks at the tag and says "I think this is it. Is your middle name is Robin? I like that name."

He says "yes. So do I," with a knowing look in his eye.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

Nitpicks:

I thought the foreshadowing was pretty obvious and not-so-subtle at all throughout the film. For example, when Alfred told his story to Bruce at the beginning of the movie, my brain immediately assumed that the movie was going to end that way. I mean, I don't dislike the ending, but yeah ... I saw some things coming a mile away because of the obvious foreshadowing. This is just a minor nitpick that doesn't hinder my enjoyment for the movie, to be honest.

--Yeah, I knew that was how the ending scene would set-up, too. But I was surprised, SHOCKED actually, that they actually SHOWED BRUCE WAYNE AND SELINA KYLE ON A LUNCH DATE.

Sorry, but, NO. That doesn't work.

It should have been EITHER:
a) Alfred sees somebody who LOOKS like Bruce, but the person turns, and it isn't them.
b) Alfred sees somebody who LOOKS like Bruce, but before the person turns to show their face, Alfred turns away, calls his waiter over, and says "I'm terribly sorry, I know I just ordered this, but I have to leave." The waiter says "will you be coming back, sir?" Alfred answers "no, I don't think I will."

After all, Alfred spent the whole movie telling Bruce "there's nothing for you here but pain and misery. You have to move forward." Now, he realizes that his little cafe holds only pain and misery for him, and HE has to move forward.

I think this would have been a PERFECT ending to Nolan's Batcycle: regardless what happened to The Batman, everybody is moving forward.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

I've sees way too many questions and complaints like the one above.

In the first scene where we meet John Blake he finds the body of an older orphan he knew that washed up in the exact spot. The orphan was declared to have died in the sewer.

When Gordon goes into the sewers, Blake deduces that one of the ways out (whether Gordon was alive or not) would be to the spot where he earlier found the body -- so he runs there as fast as he can.-R

--Sewer systems have 100s, 1000s of inflow sources, flow-direction stations, outflow drains, etc. It is highly unlikely that object A and object B, even if starting from the same location, will follow the EXACT SAME path and reach the SAME OUTFLOW DRAIN.

Even if this WOULD HAPPEN, Blake knew the older brother "died in the sewers." But he didn't know WHERE in the sewers.

And he didn't know WHERE, exactly, Gordon had gone in the sewer. He wasn't down there with him. He had NO WAY TO KNOW that Gordon was anywhere NEAR where that kid's body started.

And yet, after standing at street level for a few minutes, he ran straight to the ONE outflow drain where a body had turned up a few days, or a week or so, earlier.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

From the point where the bridges are destroyed, which is at some point during football season, to the climax, almost 5 months passes. Being winter, the freezing isn't unreasonable.

--I don't think he's questioning "what season was it?"

He was questioning the fact that it was so cold that the rivers were frozen over, yet nobody was wearing a heavy coat, nor was there any exhalation condensation when people spoke.

When was the last time the East or Hudson Rivers froze over? If it's that brass-balls cold, it'll be evident in every scene with people in it.

DjB

 

[nemapasara]

Bane following someone else's plan. I felt he was tamed when Talia revealed herself. I didn't really like his sendoff, either. The other villains had more dramatic defeats.

Same. I thought it dampered his whole role when they had their confrontation and Talia was saying all Bane did wrong was love her.

I loved the movie but I thought the pacing was out of whack. It went by fast but still felt like it dragged at parts. I wish some things were developed more so we had a real sense of emotion. Like the Talia betrayal, I didn't really feel the emotional connection to it. Talia and Bruce happened so fast, it wasn't believable. I guess that's what happens when you introduce so many new characters but I think it could've been developed better.

 

[bruticus]

First things first, she didn't help Gordon find the truck with the bomb. She lied and said that the Geiger counter read nuclear energy in that truck and Gordon placed the tracker on it... Later, when Gordon stops that truck in the climax, he opens it and the back is empty...Talia lied to Gordon and had him mark the wrong truck -- this isn't helping him.

Second. Talia stayed under the guise of Tate to monitor and manipulate the good guys and their rebel efforts. She was never truly helping them (as stated above) and yes, was the one who sold out the special ops soldiers to Bane to be hanged on the bridge.

--Agree. I'll confess, I sorta missed this point (but, as I've said in other posts, the audio quality in our theater was often VERY poor), and now see that it explains one of the flaws I thought I'd detected: the bad guys had a bomb, which they drive around in a truck, and a bunch of empty trucks, specifically so nobody would know which truck had the bomb.

Yet the bad guys never seemed to care, or even NOTICE, that groups of men (former Gotham cops) were hanging out on intersections of otherwise-empty streets, along the routes these trucks drove. Just...hanging around.

The cops only got away with it because Talia wanted it that way. It's the only explanation for why the cops were able to track/follow the trucks.

I think this very point should have been used MORE in the movie. They could've had a scene where, while coming up with the plan, somebody says "won't they notice groups of people standing along the trucks' routes?" And Tate says "Bane thinks the people of Gotham are too scared to resist." Or even "we'll just have to chance it."

I think there should've been a scene later, after the cops think they've found the right truck, wherein Tate and a cop OTHER than Gordon open the doors and find an empty truck. The cop says "wait, this has to be the right truck. You told me the bomb was in here." Tate says "that's right, I did," and knifes him in the ribs.

Third. Talia and Bane were PREPARED to destroy the city with the nuclear bomb, but as Bane said in his speech at the stadium, they wouldn't blow it up if Gotham accepted its fate and "took control" of their city. They never did, not in the way that Bane and Talia wanted them to, that is.

--But...what way is this? If they meant "form angry mobs and tear apart rich people's homes," well, there was plenty of that. If they meant "live in peace with each other," how could the people of Gotham do that while Bane's thugs, along with the aforementioned angry mobs, were running around destroying things? If they meant "cooperate and share resources to survive," they were doing that. If they meant "form your own cohesive government," how could they do that when people like Crane (and, undoubtedly, other random bad guys) were running their own little fiefdoms?

I simply don't understand: what did Bane/Talia want Gotham's residents to DO?

Fifth. You think that waiting those few weeks that Bruce was in the Pit was waiting too long to do something --

--It was longer than a few weeks. Bane beat Batman before he blew up the stadium. Batman returned to Gotham during deepest winter.

Talia waited YEARS and said as much. She even said why... The slow knife cuts the deepest. She spent years working with Bruce, slowly getting to know him, until eventually (even if it was in a time of need, a need that Talia ultimately orchestrated) he trusted her. She even slept with him to increase his attachment to her. And it worked. Bale sells it beautifully as you see the shock and sadness in his eyes at the moment of the betrayal. This was long term revenge. This was planned since, perhaps, the end of Batman Begins. It was only when Dr. Pavel revealed how to turn a fusion reactor into a bomb that Talia saw the opportunity.

--Wait...wait...what? I understand that her father’s death affected her so powerfully that she forgave all the bad crap her father did to her and Bane, and swore revenge on the man who killed him, and spent years researching the Batman, and eventually learned that Bruce Wayne was Batman.

But the fusion reactor had only been recently created. What was she doing during the time before the reactor was designed? If she knew that Bruce Wayne was Batman, what was she waiting for? Was she waiting specifically for something as cliched and hackneyed as "fusion reactor that is way too dangerous to be allowed to power up" to come along? Was she unable to separate "hatred of Batman" from "mission of LoS," and thereby trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone? Or was she just...whatevering...with Bruce Wayne while waiting for the advent of...some…thing like a…fusion reactor, something whch would be completely beyond her control, to give her an opportunity to exact revenge on the man who KILLED HER FATHER?

My one complaint was if Marion had been featured in a cameo in The Dark Knight as Miranda Tate in a scene talking to Bruce about investing in green energy -- that would have made her reveal in this film even better.

--Agree. As it was, (as others have said) it makes the importance given to Tate from the get-go a little bit odd. It's like CN realized "crap, the very figure who will tie the third movie back to the first, didn't even appear in the second movie..." so TDKR had several scenes whose sole point was to convey "this is Miranda Tate, who will be a very important character in this movie,. If you're a fan, you already know why. If you're not a fan, well, whatever."

For fans, the Talia reveal was a moment of "FINALLY! Talia shows how carefully she orchestrated events over the past handful of years! Man, she's dastardly!"

For a lot of non-fans, I think the reveal was very "oh, okay, this one character is really somebody else. Whatevs." It was very Agatha Christie MacGuffin-esque.

Overall, I feel like she was handled well. We as comic book fans are a little tainted, because we see it coming -- we know that she is the daughter of the demon. Non-comicbook fans did not and were surprised. I didn't spoil it for my girlfriend and she was shocked that the little kid was indeed Talia.
-R

--I don't think the "Tate becomes Talia" was as effective/shocking for non-fans. Fans know how shrewd and ruthless Talia is and were just WAITING for the reveal, to see how it was handled.

Non-fans got a 3-minute speech about "I hated my father so much for leaving me in that pit and because of how he treated Bane, but when you killed my father I forgave him and dedicated my life to breaking you. HAHAHAHAHA" and THAT is supposed to be enough to make them fear and respect Talia the way they feared and respected RAG after an entire movie spent building him up?

My wife “got” that Talia was RAG’s daughter, but she didn’t view Talia as NEARLY as fearsome as RAG was from BB.

DjB

 

[GrimmReaper7]

To be fair, the reason I was probably so frustrated with this movie was because I was frustrated to begin with because of my incredible bad luck... people kept getting out of their seats and walked in and out of the theatre. This happened about 30 times and I was at the bottom. It's pretty hard to get into a movie when someone is walking in front of the screen every 5 minutes I was real close to yelling "PEOPLE SIT THE F*** DOWN THIS ISNT TWILIGHT!!!" By the time I saw Bane's aniclimatic death and Talia's reveal, it just got me more upset. Im gonna go watch it again before commenting in this blog so I can be more fair towards it and hopefully some of the flaws will sink in better.

 

[bruticus]

Bane had a plan. And it wasn't to blow up the city.

Bane's plan was to give the control of the city to those he felt deserved it. The people.

He was against the greed that the wealthy and the powerful had. It wasn't out and out corruption, as in "corrupt cops" and the "mob" which the Dent Act DID stamp out. It was corruption in the form of capitalism. Where the poor are forgotten and disenfranchised, while the wealthy pick the city clean.

Bane said exactly what the bomb was being used for. "This is the instrument of your liberation." He didn't want to detonate the bomb. He doesn't want to blow up the city. The bomb was the leverage that he was giving the poor and the disenfranchised to take the power from the wealthy. He "gave the trigger to a regular citizen" so that the regular citizens would have the power over the ruling class.

--Wait, no. Bane knew the bomb would eventually detonate regardless of whether it was triggered, unless it was put back into the reactor.

If Bane DID NOT want to blow up Gotham, and instead force it to "fulfill its destiny," did he plan to return it to the reactor in order to stabilize it, once Gotham "fulfilled its destiny?" Once he did that, he wouldn't have the bomb any more. Without his failsafe, he'd be vulnerable.

Was he planning to sit on Gotham's chest for all those months, waiting for them to "take control of their city?" (whatever that meant; looked to me like he, and gangs of psychopaths, controlled Gotham. Was Bane really OK with the Crane Court simply killing people?), and if, after about 5 months, they hadn't lived up to his standards, he'd just let the bomb detonate?

How would Bane know that the "regular citizens" had "liberated their city?"

Bane didn't want to watch Gotham's people suffer. He wanted watch those who used to run Gotham suffer. People who he thought were part of a broken system. Gordon, the Mayor and even Batman were included in this. That's why blew up the luxury boxes at the football game but left the regular fans unharmed. He encouraged the regular citizens to kick the rich out of their penthouses. Those who were being "judged" by Crane were all of the ruling class -- I saw no blue collar people falling through ice.

--WHAT? He didn't "want to watch them suffer?" He left regular fans unharmed? You don't think ANY "regular fans" were killed when he blew the entire field apart? We SAW FOOTBALL PLAYERS FALL INTO THE HOLES. Or are professional football players (except Hines Ward) incapable of being "regular citizens?"

What the F do you call 6 months of being terrorized by roving gangs of psychopaths who "hunt down cops like dogs?" (notice that Blake made no distinction between "good cops" and "bad cops." It was ALL COPS) while living on emergency food relief and intermittent electricity and heat? Club Med? Did Bane really want street urchins to be beaten by thugs (except when Selina Kyle, with perfect hair and makeup, intervenes)?? How is that not suffering?

And Bane subscribed to the belief that it was his responsibility to restore order in Gotham because it was a belief held by Talia, the woman he loved. And it was a belief held by Ra's, a man he respected but whose approval he could never earn.

--What? What "order" could the people of Gotham POSSIBLY restore while ARMED GANGS prowled the streets? Whose vision of order is that?

Bane said he was cleansing Gotham of corruption...do you believe that none of the little armed fiefdoms that sprang up during the Interregnum were free of corruption and based upon any kind of law? Cranes court sentenced people to death based on mob rule. That is, in itself, another form of greed and corruption.

Bane gave Gotham the time limit on the bomb to force their hand. If they took control of their city in the allotted time he would have placed the bomb back and ruled over this new Gotham. But Gotham did NOT "take control," instead, many tried to take back control from Bane. And because of this -- the bomb's timer continued to tick down...

--WHAT??!! He told the people of Gotham to "take back their city..." and then you say that he planned to rule it, while stopping anybody who planned to take control of it away form him.

Bane had a pretty clear plan, and equally clear motivation.-R

--If his motivation was "rule Gotham with an iron fist," how is THAT not a form of greed? If his motivation was for the "regular citizens of Gotham" to "reclaim their city," why did he allow a few armed thugs like Crane & Co. to, in essence, make the regular citizens of Gotham their serfs?

As others have said, we're not saying "we can't see how the dots are connected." We're saying "we see how the dots are connected, but the image they make is incomprehensible."

DjB

 

[bruticus]

Also, maybe I'm stretching it here but I also thought that the cartilage report was a fake to further cover Batman's identity. Batman's main concern was to go to the hospital that Gordon was in. A showing of fake test results would certainly be feasible cover for Bruce to see Gordon.(I think anyway, might have scenes confused)

--Why would he need to make an appointment (as Bruce Wayne!) with a doctor to discuss fake xrays?

Why wouldn't he just sneak into Gordon's room, maybe disguised as a hospital orderly. Or, why did he need to let anybody see Bruce Wayne AT ALL? He clearly didn't want anybody to know that BatMan OR Bruce Wayne was talking with James Gordon. He could've snuck onto the roof, under cover of darkness, and rappelled down to Gordon's window.

Why did he need to pull this Mission Impossible crap? He's The Goddamn Batman.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

*Robin/John Blake - didn't care for his character at all. Chris O' Donnell did a better job as Robin.

--John Blake was NOT Robin, at least not "Robin, of Batman and."

Yes, John Blake's given name was Robin. Yes, he lost his parents when he was very young. But, apart from that, John Blake was totally different from "Dick Grayson, who became Robin."

You may as well say that Jack Nicholson was a better Joker than Cesar Romero. Same name, totally different character.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

1.) Blake makes the connection from the story we hear about "an angry orphan putting on a happy face like a mask" and then when Bruce and Batman disappear for 8 years at the same time, it confirms it for him. In their initial meeting at Wayne Manor, Bruce denies that he's Batman, actually. It isn't until later, when Bruce is more desperate (out of money, etc) and Blake has proved that he is trust worthy, does Bruce confirm Blake's suspicion.

--As others have said, that's a leap of logic across a chasm larger than the one Bruce Wayne leaped across to escape the Pit. Blake met Bruce Wayne when he was a child. Years later, Bruce Wayne originates Batman. John Blake catches a glimpse of Batman and KNOWS IT'S BRUCE WAYNE? How did he see the look in Batman's eyes with all that eyeshadow?

Or is Blake saying that, out of EVERYBODY he's EVER met/known, ONLY BRUCE WAYNE ever put on a happy face like a mask? Sadly, most people put on happy masks, at least occasionally. It's a good thing John Blake's orphanage wasn't visited by a vice squad detective the day after he caught his wife in bed with somebody else, otherwise John Blake would've grown up believing "Bob McSomethingson is really Batman!!!"

2.) The cops were being given supplies and food by Bane for the months that they were down there. We even see Bane's mercs lowering a shipment of supplies to them. Who's to say if there were razors in there, however unlikely that is.

--They were fed, and clothed, and given soap...and allowed to keep their guns?

Bane should've killed them.

Go with me on this, here. Bane demonstrated, several times, that one of his main tactics was giving people false hope. So the people think the cops are still down there. Presumably they hope that the cops will, somehow, escape. So, if he KILLED THEM ALL, the people would be hoping for something that could never come to pass. IT'S PERFECT!

Plus, those cops are a DISTINCT LIABILITY. If Bane had applied for Supervillain Plot Failure Insurance and, when the agent asked "is there any factor which could cause your Supervillain Plot to fail?" he'd answered "well, about 3000 Gotham City cops trapped in a subway tunnel about 5 blocks from my base of operations," I'm pretty sure application would have been rejected immediately.

That's just STUPID, man.

3.) Could be a cheat by Nolan, showing him in the Bat then the clock... or... Like the Batpod was essentially the cockpit of the Tumbler that ejected, maybe the shot we see of Batman, that last shot we see, is him in the ejected cockpit and he is safely far away from the bomb that we see in the next shot with the clock at 5 seconds.... Maybe Batman was already in the clear? And the Bat was on autopilot?

--If we're going to let "director cheat" (up-up-down-down-left-right...) be used to explain away potential contradictions or impossibilities in the plot...

4.) There were about 2 minutes when he started towing the bomb away. I don't know the math as to how fast he had to be traveling.... but he had to cover 6 miles. Who knows? I could say suspension of disbelieve -- but I don't honestly know the top speed of the Bat.

--The bomb was said to be 4MT. A ONE MT explosion has the following effects:
10 seconds after detonation the fireball is one (1) mile around and cooled to 11 million degrees.

Four (4) miles away from the epicenter the blast of 1 MT Bomb, overpressure is 6 pounds per square inch. Winds are 180 miles per hour. All standard houses and buildings "implode" with that overpressure and then are swept clean with the blast winds.

The "flash" of the explosion will last 22 seconds. People 10 miles away will receive 2nd degree burns.

50 miles away it will be brighter than the sun. If it is a "surface" burst to destroy a long runway, missile silo, or dam the 100 foot deep hole is almost 1/3 mile across with a ring of earth piled up 10 stories deep and 1 mile across around the outside of the hole.

There is NO WAY Batman could get this bomb far enough away to save Gotham from destruction, let-alone escape its blast.

I call lazy-ass writing. A NUCLEAR BOMB? Christopher Nolan couldn't come up with something ORIGINAL?
​

DjB

 

[bruticus]

Probably happened right when she kissed him which is why she did it in the first place.

And Bruce fell for it.

Then, he fell for it even harder (GEDDIT?) when Miranda Tate, a woman whose business proposal he rejected multiple times...a woman who'd NEVER SHOWN ANY PERSONAL INTEREST in Bruce Wayne...and whose charity event he'd recently PISSED ALL OVER...showed up at his house...and JUMPED HIS BONES. Not even an INKLING of "hm...I've rejected all her business proposals...I never answer her calls...I recently totally insulted her at her own charity event...now she's stoking my fire...(GEDDIT?)"

World's Greatest Detective? This guy couldn't solve an Encyclopedia Brown mystery.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

More Blackgate prisoners hunting down the few members of the GPD not trapped underground would've been a nice addition. Witch hunts that leave the Gothamites paralyzed in fear.

--I'm glad you said this, because it's related to something that bothered me: several people say "they're hunting cops like dogs," yet we NEVER SEE THIS. John Blake goes to the home (it MIGHT have been a safehouse, but I don't think it was) of Ahole Foley, one of the city's most senior policemen, and talks to him...standing on his porch...in broad daylight...for about 5 minutes, about how dangerous it is for cops, yet NEITHER MAKES ANY EFFORT TO AVOID BEING SEEN. Foley doesn't say "you idiot!! Why did you come to my front door? My family is here!" or "go to Joe's Bar, into the store-room, and pull the handle behind the box of Funyuns. It'll open a secret tunnel that leads to my kitchen."

No. They stand in broad daylight and talk about how dangerous it is for cops.

Later, several members of the GCPD, INCLUDING JAMES GORDON, are seen, many times, just standing around on street corners while bad guys drive by in trucks. Were they all from out of town? Did Bane not give any of them pictures of high-profile cops like JAMES GORDON?

Wait, no, this can't be. Earlier in the film a couple of Bane's thugs grab Gordon, drag him underground, and tell Bane "look, we caught James Gordon! Aren't we smart?" So obviously the bad guys know who James Gordon is, and what he looks like.

Maybe they're scared that Bane will kill them if he finds out they were within 30 feet of him, or something, so they're all pretending not to see him.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

Are you guys confused about the meaning of the scar?

If so, its a branding to indicate that she is a member of the The League of Shadows.

The same one Bruce was about to get before he blew up the temple in Batman Begins.

--If this is true...and Bruce TOUCHED IT...(at least, I'm pretty sure he did?) why the Great Caesar's Ghost would he not put 2 and 2 together?

DjB

 

[bruticus]

I think there were. Blake and Gordon both talked about not being seen on the street. They were pretty clearly being hunted. And Blake ends up getting caught before Batman rescues him.

--I commented on this (it's way further down), that it didn't really seem like the cops were being hunted on the streets.

Blake and Foley stand on Foley's porch for 5 minutes.

None of the cops adopts any kind of disguise.

Gotham cops walk around the streets holding radiation detectors, while trucks full of bad guys drive by. Nobody ever recognizes any of the cops.

Jim Gordon oscillates between hiding in disused store-rooms, talking about how dangerous it is...and walking around holding radiation detectors, while trucks full of bad guys drive by. Nobody ever recognizes him, even though he's among the most well-known cops in all Gotham. He was on TV 4 months ago, talking about how great Harvey Dent was!

DjB

 

[enquencle]

One thing that really bugged me was that, after the scene when Gordon is taken to Bane's lair, he tells everyone about what happened naming him BANE, when he never heard his name. It was never mentioned, how could he know what his name is?

Another thing I didn't like was that Alfred seemed to find a lot of info on Bane's story, when later in the movie the people in the pit didn't even want to talk about it. It seems higly unlikely that info about his birth and young years is easily found.

And of course, Bane working for Talia in a way.

 

[bruticus]

Yes, there is NO way the Bat survives a nuclear explosion. There was no need to include that scene with Lucius. To be honest, if the reactor just needed to be flooded, why didn't Bruce just drop it in the Bay as soon as he was overhead? There was no need to fly miles out.

--Here's what I think happened: The Nolans' script ended with Bruce Wayne's funeral, and a scene of Alfred almost going into his favorite cafe, but changing his mind (because he knows Bruce is dead, and he will never see that happy couple) and walking away.

The studio exec got to the end, said "wait, this is it? He's dead? How can we do another movie? He can't be dead. Change it."

I do wish Miranda/Talia had more development. I've heard people complain about Miranda and Bruce hooking up, but there being no romance built prior. She seduced him. If you take a look at that scene, she goes for the pictures of his parents, and then Rachel. Catching him in a vulnerable moment she goes in for a kiss. He slightly pauses at first, and then kisses her back. I thought that scene was brilliant. She found a soft spot, and went for an opportunity to take advantage of his vulnerability to earn his trust.

--And Bruce Wayne, who is also The Goddamn Batman, just...fell for it.

DjB

 

[bruticus]

Was too easy? He tried twice before, aggravating his damaged back in the process. Luckily, he wasn't pyschologically tortured too much, but motivated to act and encouraged by the fellow prisoners

--That was the whole POINT of Bane putting him there: to torture his soul. He said it directly, had the TV set up, everything.

Then, he just...walked out. And everybody just...left Batman alone. They didn't even mind that he didn't watch much TV, or when he broke it.

DjB