Homecoming What should they do with the Spidey franchise? - Part 1

[LizardMan07]

I wonder if it's possible to go a whole day without someone bringing up Batman when discussing TASM2

 

[marcvader]

Why do I get the impression the Sony hackers who are intent on bringing down Sony Entertainment are either Marvel in disguise, Disney in disguise or a Spider-Man fan in disguise.

Right now there's a 42 year old overweight out of work fanboy hacker in his Spider-Man onesey barricading himself in his mom's basement in Hoboken New Jersey.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Why do I get the impression the Sony hackers who are intent on bringing down Sony Entertainment are either Marvel in disguise, Disney in disguise or a Spider-Man fan in disguise.

Because, like most of the masses, you underestimate the power of Victor Domashev!

 

[cheungcheung]

I'm surprised the hack documents didn't contain a PowerPoint about sony's future Spider-Man plans

Sony is in bad shape. They are never giving up their Spider-Man film rights back to marvel. It's like their only franchise.

 

[harryoscop]

Because, like most of the masses, you underestimate the power of Victor Domashev!

 

[Stormz96]

I'm surprised the hack documents didn't contain a PowerPoint about sony's future Spider-Man plans

Sony is in bad shape. They are never giving up their Spider-Man film rights back to marvel. It's like their only franchise.

At the same time though, they may be very discouraged to take the risk of launching spinoff films. I just hope that they're current position pushes them to take Disney's alleged partnership deal seriously (if such talks of rumor actually are happening)

 

[spiderral]

At the same time though, they may be very discouraged to take the risk of launching spinoff films. I just hope that they're current position pushes them to take Disney's alleged partnership deal seriously (if such talks of rumor actually are happening)

I hope for the same too; I think it's one of the best ways to rekindle in an interest in Spider-Man again. The only problems I see are the general audience asking why Spider-Man hasn't been in these Marvel films before, what's happened to the TASM film series and what this means for future Spidey appearances in the MCU.

Stan Lee recently mentioned how Marvel are wanting to do a massive movie crossover, that means potentially involving the X-Men and Spidey (not the F4, no-one cares about them) so there might be a lot of behind-the-scenes negotiations right now that we may not be aware about.

I think if that was to happen, Sony should end their TASM trilogy (I really want Andrew to have another chance at a potentially great Spider-Man film if Sony do end up learning from their mistakes), Fox go ahead with their X-Men: Apocalypse film and then have these characters introduced into the MCU afterwards. We are already going to be overwhelmed by a lot of new characters to the MCU in Phase 3 so if there's a Phase 4 happening, that's where we might see other non-Disney Marvel characters making an appearance, even if it is with a brand new X-Men or Spidey cast.

 

[Stormz96]

I hope for the same too; I think it's one of the best ways to rekindle in an interest in Spider-Man again. The only problems I see are the general audience asking why Spider-Man hasn't been in these Marvel films before, what's happened to the TASM film series and what this means for future Spidey appearances in the MCU.

Stan Lee recently mentioned how Marvel are wanting to do a massive movie crossover, that means potentially involving the X-Men and Spidey (not the F4, no-one cares about them) so there might be a lot of behind-the-scenes negotiations right now that we may not be aware about.

I think if that was to happen, Sony should end their TASM trilogy (I really want Andrew to have another chance at a potentially great Spider-Man film if Sony do end up learning from their mistakes), Fox go ahead with their X-Men: Apocalypse film and then have these characters introduced into the MCU afterwards. We are already going to be overwhelmed by a lot of new characters to the MCU in Phase 3 so if there's a Phase 4 happening, that's where we might see other non-Disney Marvel characters making an appearance, even if it is with a brand new X-Men or Spidey cast.

My dream position for X-men in the MCU is that it'd be established as an alternate universe to the MCU. As for the F4, i think there's a good chance that they'll be back at marvel in a year. As for spidey, I'd love for andrew to get another shot at him, but I think it's more important for spidey to join the MCU; for the greater good of the franchise. It definitely will renew public interest in spidey, and I don't think there will be too much confusion with a new spidey in the GA as long as they don't rush into concepts that directly contradict the TASM series right off the bat. I feel like they should use TASM as a loose backstory for peter (he'd be with MJ but they can subtly hint that he had a previous relationship that ended gravely. They can leave Harry out of the picture for a while and have flash be peter's guy friend for a while), and then once the public is totally into the new spidey and forgets about the last series, they can do what they want.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Right now there's a 42 year old overweight out of work fanboy hacker in his Spider-Man onesey barricading himself in his mom's basement in Hoboken New Jersey.

Something like this?

 

[BobJM]

Just continue with TASM franchise, but lay off the OsCorp bit.

Just as the TASM2's end montage suggested, Peter has to move on from his past (Parents' subplot/Stacys/Harry's betrayal/etc) and continue to be Spider-Man. Now that Spidey has all this tragedy under his belt, he can go on fighting other menaces within the city...all the while remembering the losses he's endured. A ghost Gwen (ala Capt Stacy in TASM2 would suffice, but not necessary).

Essentially, treat this like 007's Skyfall. Disregard the first two in the franchise (CR & QOS) while still retaining the vital elements of it, and reintroduce audience favorites into the mix.

- Introduce street level gangs like Hammerhead, Silvermane, or Tombstone and have them be the source of new criminals. Harry's in jail, let him stay there for a film or two.

- Mary Jane introduced as a friend at first, then slowly develops into a love interest (she is the one to finally break through to Peter)

- Daily Bugle and its staff is a must

- I'd like Chameleon/Mysterio to be the main villains..frame Spidey somehow, which will then get JJJ and the Daily Bugle to go harder on webhead.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I hope for the same too; I think it's one of the best ways to rekindle in an interest in Spider-Man again. The only problems I see are the general audience asking why Spider-Man hasn't been in these Marvel films before, what's happened to the TASM film series and what this means for future Spidey appearances in the MCU.

Stan Lee recently mentioned how Marvel are wanting to do a massive movie crossover, that means potentially involving the X-Men and Spidey (not the F4, no-one cares about them) so there might be a lot of behind-the-scenes negotiations right now that we may not be aware about.

I think if that was to happen, Sony should end their TASM trilogy (I really want Andrew to have another chance at a potentially great Spider-Man film if Sony do end up learning from their mistakes), Fox go ahead with their X-Men: Apocalypse film and then have these characters introduced into the MCU afterwards. We are already going to be overwhelmed by a lot of new characters to the MCU in Phase 3 so if there's a Phase 4 happening, that's where we might see other non-Disney Marvel characters making an appearance, even if it is with a brand new X-Men or Spidey cast.

X-Men won't end after Apocalypse. They have Deadpool coming and a planned Gambit movie and General audience don't care about Spidey being in other movies

My dream position for X-men in the MCU is that it'd be established as an alternate universe to the MCU. As for the F4, i think there's a good chance that they'll be back at marvel in a year. As for spidey, I'd love for andrew to get another shot at him, but I think it's more important for spidey to join the MCU; for the greater good of the franchise. It definitely will renew public interest in spidey, and I don't think there will be too much confusion with a new spidey in the GA as long as they don't rush into concepts that directly contradict the TASM series right off the bat. I feel like they should use TASM as a loose backstory for peter (he'd be with MJ but they can subtly hint that he had a previous relationship that ended gravely. They can leave Harry out of the picture for a while and have flash be peter's guy friend for a while), and then once the public is totally into the new spidey and forgets about the last series, they can do what they want.

The public is into the current Spidey. You don't get $700 Mil + with no interest.

As for F4 there isn't a good chance it the rights going anywhere. fox has them until 2020 regards of how he film performs and if they opt to sell them to Marvel Marvel won't buy as they won't be able to fit them in until 2020 when they'd get them for free

 

[Stormz96]

X-Men won't end after Apocalypse. They have Deadpool coming and a planned Gambit movie and General audience don't care about Spidey being in other movies



The public is into the current Spidey. You don't get $700 Mil + with no interest.

As for F4 there isn't a good chance it the rights going anywhere. fox has them until 2020 regards of how he film performs and if they opt to sell them to Marvel Marvel won't buy as they won't be able to fit them in until 2020 when they'd get them for free

Oh yea spidey will always have interest, but his box office take is on the decline, and the MCU could help if Sony wants to make a deal. And if F4 tanks, I think fox will sell it before it reverts in 2020 so they can get some profit out of it instead of just losing the rights. If they do sell and Disney doesn't opt to just wait it out until the rights revert, there's a lot that they can then use before introducing the f4 themselves such as alien races and other cosmic stuff, things marvel would want to play with in infinity war. All of marvel's f4 comic drama may be because they're trying to get them back before phase four and have more cosmic elements at their disposal for infinity war. Whatever way they go with for spidey tho, I'm all for as long as it's focused and in good hands!

 

[JOE]

- Introduce street level gangs like Hammerhead, Silvermane, or Tombstone and have them be the source of new criminals. Harry's in jail, let him stay there for a film or two.

I think it's too late for that. A crime boss better well over a span of movies, IMO. Spidey taking on his street thugs in the origin movie, moving his way up as his skills progress. Final showdown in TASM 3, wish they would have went that route instead of this Spider-Man Sinister 6 Universe mumbo jumbo.

 

[CaptainWagner]

2 things:

1. That happened in Raimi's series. Harry got redemption.

2. When you look at TASM2 and from the GA's point of view, giving redemption to the guy who killed Gwen is like giving redemption to the Joker after he killed Rachael.

1) But it was ruined by Franco's mediocre acting and being buried in the mess of Spiderman 3.

2) Which is why it would be all the more compelling. Just imagine Harry trying to convince Peter to fight with him against the villain.

 

[Dasher10]

As for F4 there isn't a good chance it the rights going anywhere. fox has them until 2020 regards of how he film performs and if they opt to sell them to Marvel Marvel won't buy as they won't be able to fit them in until 2020 when they'd get them for free

Source? How do you know this?

 

[Dasher10]

The composer of TASM said that he declined the sequel after seeing the script, that Mark Webb had next to no creative input and the Producers not only made all the creative decisions but also had no idea how to make a movie that people wanted to see.

Sony needs to understand that a film needs a soul to make people care about it. Producers should be focused on finding somebody to tell the story that they want to tell and more importantly, the producers should all be on the same page as to what that story should be and how it should be told, then find a screenwriter who can effectively tell the right kind of story and a director who shares their vision.

In the case of hiring Webb, he was a terrible choice who was chosen because he was a lightweight looking for a big break. Somebody directing Spider-Man should come from one of 3 backgrounds, a blockbuster film maker, somebody able to handle a teen film or somebody who's done an action-comedy. Webb was none of those things and it really showed.

 

[Mr.M]

The hackers have just leaked info linking discussions to Marvel and Sony about the crossover that inevitably fell through.

So glad this studio got exposed for the clown act it has become the last couple of years. The fanboys have a right to know about what's happening with our beloved characters. I hope these hackers bury the careers of the people up top of Columbia Pictures. Obviously collateral damage will be in full effect and many job losses and lawsuits will result, but I think Hollywood needed the lesson. Don't **** with internet fanboys. We know about computers and firewalls.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

http://link.hope.ly/?url=http://blo...-marvel-discussed-spider-man-movie-crossover/

sooooo. yah.

 

[AF3619]

http://link.hope.ly/?url=http://blo...-marvel-discussed-spider-man-movie-crossover/

sooooo. yah.

already beeing disscussed in the general thread

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

already beeing disscussed in the general thread

what were the concluding comments?

 

[AF3619]

what were the concluding comments?

well, everyone is speculating about it and some excitement, also there is more info we are disscussing

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

well, everyone is speculating about it and some excitement, also there is more info we are disscussing

I hope sony doesn't scratch the plans coz of the hack

 

[BatsDC]

They don't seem to actually have any plans at the moment, just many vague, mostly terrible, ideas

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

With Sony's offer to share Spider-Man, he'd be in the MCU and both studios would profit but alas Marvel declined to play ball and screwed over the dreams of their fans.

At least now people can stop going on saying Sony should make a deal with Marvel since they tried

 

[JOE]

With Sony's offer to share Spider-Man, he'd be in the MCU and both studios would profit but alas Marvel declined to play ball and screwed over the dreams of their fans.

At least now people can stop going on saying Sony should make a deal with Marvel since they tried

Did you real what the deal was? Sony would still have creative control over the character. Marvel was smart for turning it down, it was a terrible offer.