Homecoming Who should reboot villain be? (Poll Version) - Part 1

[Mike Murdock]

Love to see The Chameleon always been a fav of mine. I would like to see him as more a behind the scenes plotter or have him team up with Hammerhead.

Yip Chameleon is long over due his movie appearance.

And if he isn't going to appear in a movie, I think it would make a ton of sense for him to appear in either Agents of SHIELD or Agent Carter.

 

[Webhead2006]

Would go with shield myself. I hate to have him stuck in the 40s and not be a option in present day. So shield and movies. More so too if we get kraven in time.

 

[The Overlord]

Well they could always say if they go mysterio and he has holo tech and maybe some mind control type gasses. That he doesn't know folks personally but the mix of tech and gasses the victim sees what's in there mind.

Not all villains need to be personally connected to cause pain and misery to pete. Again the only ones for that should be the osborns, brock, conners, and miles warren. Those are the only ones in my book that should have connection to pete and or over series learn his identity. The rest should not.

But I kinda of want people to define their terms, when they say want Mysterio to be unsympathetic, do they mean he should be an unpleasant jerk or a real monster? I think one of those things is more compelling then the others, a monster is about as far as you can go from a sympathetic villain and a monstrous villain can be a high stakes one, if they win, there will grave consequences. Having a really nasty villain, gives someone to really root against, rather then just passively rooting against a villain because he happens to be the villain of the story, but doesn't do anything really bad. Mysterio threatening people's lives makes for bigger stakes then Mysterio just robbing banks.

I don't think Mysterio needs something over the top like mind control glasses to torment Spider-Man, if Spider-Man still a rookie, it would easy for Mysterio to torment him. Imagine if Myterio murdered an important offical right in front of Spidey and that was the first person Spidey failed to save since Uncle Ben and Mysterio uses his illusions to torment Spidey over his failures. Joker is a personal foe for Batman, despite the fact Joker doesn't know who he is or have a past connection to him.

Mysterio seems to be written a couple of different of different ways: generic criminal, over the top campy villain and sadistic mind breaker, I think I like the last one the best. Mysterio can be campy and hammy, but that may just be his exterior, underneath that he is a really cruel individual and the outward silliness can give way to a more monstrous character at times.

Mysterio being a more monstrous foe makes sense, unlike other Spider villains, he was not a victim of a accident, he chose to be Mysterio and his perchance for mind games and psychological warfare just naturally make him unsympathetic, I don't think he has been sympathetic in the comics. I think that might the best direction to go with him.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well don't know route they go with him if used. But I do want to see mysterio in spidey. He would be a nice break on type of villain. And all that jazz.

 

[The Overlord]

Well don't know route they go with him if used. But I do want to see mysterio in spidey. He would be a nice break on type of villain. And all that jazz.

Well Mysterio would have a different gimmick from past villains is true (Mysterio's powers are artificial and he is not a victim of a lab accident), but there is more to making a villain compelling then gimmicks, personality is more key then a gimmick.

To me if you want a villain that is truly different from all the past sympathetic villains, a monstrous one is the way to go. They provide real stakes with ruthless and cruel actions, because if the hero fails, people will die and the audience is invested in them because of much how they love to hate them. Its easy to write Mysterio as some campy goofball, but that doesn't make for a compelling villain in a serious story.

Also I want really different story for Spider-Man then we got in the past movies, I have seen the same coming of age story with a high school Spidey several times now, I need a new spin. Mysterio trying to use Spidey's sense of guilt to destroy Spidey, forcing Spidey to confront his own demons and over come, becoming stronger in the process, is a new twist on the same old coming of age story and works well for a rookie Spidey, an older Spidey would harder to harm psychologically. Sure it might be a bit darker then some past Spidey movies, but there is still ways to put lighter moments in and the ending would be triumphant, Mysterio's mind games fail and Spidey becomes a stronger person in the process.

 

[Webhead2006]

I do want a different threat type and not all spidry rouges need to be sympathetic either. That is what I didn't like about raimi series. Only guys who should be sympathetic is Conners and maybe brock to a degree if he looses venom. Others are just random crooks to etc..... reasons. I want to see a variety.

 

[The Overlord]

I do want a different threat type and not all spidry rouges need to be sympathetic either. That is what I didn't like about raimi series. Only guys who should be sympathetic is Conners and maybe brock to a degree if he looses venom. Others are just random crooks to etc..... reasons. I want to see a variety.

But every film needs a villain that is compelling and the most compelling villains tend to be sympathetic or really evil and I would say go with the evil option with Mysterio. Joffrey is compelling in GoT and he is not sympathetic at all, the audience loathes him and that is why the audience is invested in him. Mysterio is one the villains who can be really evil, without being an R rated villain like Carnage. Mysterio can murder people in a less gruesome ways then Carnage, but can still be a sadistic villain. A villain who murders and tries to break people's minds is a higher stakes villain then one who just steals stuff.

If you have a villain who is just a jerk, has no redeeming qualities, but doesn't anything worse then petty thievery, that is kinda of a lame villain. Where are the stakes with that Mysterio, if Spider-Man fails to stop Mysterio, what happens, a bank's insurance rates go up? There is nothing compelling about a villain like that, if Mysterio is supposed to unsympathetic, go for broke with it.

Why not have a scary Mysterio, instead of some campy goofball who robs banks and does nothing else?

Go beyond "random crook" with Mysterio and make a really terrifying villain. Give us a reason to hate Mysterio beyond he is opposing Spider-Man in this film.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Mysterio as a horror movie villain like IT or Freddy Krueger sounds amazing

 

[Webhead2006]

Some interesting thoughts

 

[C Prometheus]

Mysterio as a horror movie villain like IT or Freddy Krueger sounds amazing

Agreed. Plus it really compliments Mysterio's strategies as a villain, given his whole illusions game.

 

[The Overlord]

Mysterio as a horror movie villain like IT or Freddy Krueger sounds amazing

Well there is only so much you do with a villain in a PG-13 movie, but I think there ways of presenting as a sadistic SOB while still fitting in with a PG-13 setting, Mysterio murdering people in ways that are not super gory or even playing sadistic mind games on total strangers for his own amusement. Playing sadistic mind games with a teenager is pretty bad in general though.

You could have someone like Scorpion or Shocker act as Mysterio's muscle. I heard a good idea from another poster, Shocker working with Mysterio, but slowly becoming disgusted by Mysterio's needlessly cruel actions and turning against him.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I still kinda like the idea of a mob boss type, with the enforcers as henchmen, and have them progressively upgrade to become all teched out, through out the movie

 

[Daedalus]

I still kinda like the idea of a mob boss type, with the enforcers as henchmen, and have them progressively upgrade to become all teched out, through out the movie
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I agree. I`d love to see a Mob Big Bad (Silvermane would be my preferred option), and the Enforcers are great henchmen-characters. I gather Montana would be Shocker, then?

 

[Mike Murdock]

I like the Enforcers. I'd probably make them an opening villain (a la Strucker) rather than something throughout. Hammerhead, Tombstone, or Silvermane would be a good mob leader to fight Spider-Man ([BLACKOUT]assuming Kingpin is still in jail[/BLACKOUT]), but the Enforcers work best in small doses, imo.

 

[Daedalus]

I like the Enforcers. I'd probably make them an opening villain (a la Strucker) rather than something throughout. Hammerhead, Tombstone, or Silvermane would be a good mob leader to fight Spider-Man ([BLACKOUT]assuming Kingpin is still in jail[/BLACKOUT]) but the Enforcers work best in small doses, imo.

Mike, please spoiler tag Kingpin`s bit. There are those among us who haven`t seen Daredevil yet. It`s not even two months old.

 

[BatsDC]

I've said it before - I think Osborn & Tombstone with Shocker as the muscle is the way to go for the reboot, with Osborn dealing with the mob to provide weapons in return for funding. Establishes both Norman's influence and the larger criminal underworld, and Shocker acts as a great step towards the more fantastical and heavy hitter villains Spidey goes on to face.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Mike, please spoiler tag Kingpin`s bit. There are those among us who haven`t seen Daredevil yet. It`s not even two months old.

Eh DD has been out long enough that people should be able to freely talk about. Its already been over 2 months. But whatever lol.

 

[Daedalus]

Eh DD has been out long enough that people should be able to freely talk about. Its already been over 2 months.

We still spoiler tag about Age of Ultron, so I don`t see why we couldn`t spoiler tag about Daredevil.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Eh DD has been out long enough that people should be able to freely talk about. Its already been over 2 months. But whatever lol.

Agreed.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Mike, please spoiler tag Kingpin`s bit. There are those among us who haven`t seen Daredevil yet. It`s not even two months old.

Sorry, my bad.

 

[Oscorp]

Eh DD has been out long enough that people should be able to freely talk about. Its already been over 2 months. But whatever lol.

Agreed.

It doesn't require much effort to at least write SPOILER ALERT or something though about such details. This is the Spider-Man forum, not the Daredevil one. I wouldn't expect spoiler alerts in the DD forums, but in this place one shouldn't expect to see DD spoilers. 2 months isn't that long, by the way.

 

[Webhead2006]

You can get away with alot these days in a pg13 rating.

As for the enforcers I rather they just be some hired muscle for x crime boss. And I would not want them powered up. No need when they themselfs are good characters.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It doesn't require much effort to at least write SPOILER ALERT or something though about such details. This is the Spider-Man forum, not the Daredevil one. I wouldn't expect spoiler alerts in the DD forums, but in this place one shouldn't expect to see DD spoilers. 2 months isn't that long, by the way.

Yeah, I screwed up. My bad.

Although that does raise an interesting point. Would a movie ever feature a Netflix character and run the risk of spoiling a Netflix season for those who hadn't seen it?

 

[SyntaxError]

Mysterio and Chameleon would be smart picks in my opinion.

Mysterio's illusions and Chameleons tricks could serve as a segway to flash through Peter's origin etc.

Both also don't require much foundations and can operate effectively in a 1-off capacity. We could also have Osborne pulling strings in the background to set him up for future movies.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Yeah, I screwed up. My bad.

Although that does raise an interesting point. Would a movie ever feature a Netflix character and run the risk of spoiling a Netflix season for those who hadn't seen it?

It's the same as including loki in the avengers and spoiling thor