Homecoming What should they do with the Spidey franchise?

[Art Freak]

with the current plan marvel have i really wouldn't put any thought into the whole "untill its worked out" part

i heard also that the person who asked about the spider-man thing also asked a question about the Capt america 2 directing in a double question

Sort of. They asked (in conjunction with the Spidey question) if the Russos were directing INFINITY WAR. Always the problem with the double question, a vague and confusing blanket answer will follow.

 

[HanShotFirst]

Most people would be with you on that. I'd love to see an IM or GOTG quality Spider-Man origin movie done by the MCU later on down the road. I wonder which villain they'd use seeing as how most of them are already "used" lol.

Duude. Kraven.

 

[marcvader]

God can we please just have the real Green Goblin? Just once?

Let's start a petition.

 

[harryoscop]

The only way we won't get a half assed version of the Green Goblin, is if Marvel gets Spider-Man back

 

[GuestStar2004]

The only way we won't get a half assed version of the Green Goblin, is if Marvel gets Spider-Man back

Yeah because use look what they did with the mandarin

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yeah because use look what they did with the mandarin

lol, good point

i thought they did a good job with the goblin in asm2. it's venom i wanna see done right.

 

[GoldGoblin]

They need to just make a movie with Kraven,and changing Kraven's Last Hunt story a little bit.

 

[marcvader]

The way I see it, Green Goblin is 100% more high profile a character by virtue of being of Spidey's #1 foe than the Mandarin. Not even close.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Yes sir.

When they showcased their "Phase 3" lineup they had questions afterwards. Someone asked about Spider-Man potentially joining the MCU. This was his response: "Anything that wasn't specifically and obviously revealed today is either not true at all, or still rumor until it's worked out."

So...

Something is in the works, but it's not official?

Or something may or may not be a rumor, but they're trying to get to the bottom of it?

 

[Iceman]

Goblin 6.5/10 - (not terrible but just not quite good - was expecting something really good after Willem Dafoe was cast but the costume was crap
Ock 8.5/10 - great effort
Venom 3.5/10 - apart from the suit and symbiote looking cool in places this was dreadful and totally rushed, plus horrendously cast
Sandman - 5.5/10 - not a fan of giant Sandman and linking the character to Spidey plus not much more to the character but the sand effects were very cool
Green Goblin II - 6.5/10 - James Franco should have been given a better film than Spidey 3 for his effort


Lizard - 7/10 - not bad
Electro - 3.5/10 - what a waste of Jamie Foxx, was expecting to love this. Still effects good
Green Goblin III 3/10 - crap

 

[CaptainWagner]

God can we please just have the real Green Goblin? Just once?

How would you define "real Green Goblin"?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah because use look what they did with the mandarin

We haven't seen the Mandarin yet. Only some weiner who hijacked his name.

 

[GoldGoblin]

We haven't seen the Mandarin yet. Only some weiner who hijacked his name.

^
That was the Mandarin,just not the one you were hoping for.Just like the Green Goblin that we got.

 

[OriginalMiles]

They retconned the Mandarin.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

yeah they did but does it matter if there's no cinematic payoff

when they made IM3, they intended Killian to be "the real Mandarin" and that's what we're left with

 

[Whiskey Tango]

That was the Mandarin

No, that was Killian. And unlike some fanboys, I'm going to take Drew Pearce's word for it when he says AHTK was planned and not a reaction to silly online whine festivals, rather than call him a liar over something so inconsequential. If nerds want to think "oh they made AHTK because we cried into our Marvel pillows all night" then they are certainly free to labor under that delusion.

Regardless, this is not an Iron Man 3 thread and at this point I doubt anyone is interested in yet another pointless pissing match over it.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Yeah because use look what they did with the mandarin

That wasn't Marvel though. That was Shane Black.

Shane Black wrote The Mandarin that way because he didn't like the Mandarin as is from the comics. And to keep from rocking the boat with Black AND RDJ (who pushed for Marvel to hire Black), Marvel stepped back and let him do what he wanted.

But of course, Marvel was quick to correct Black's mistake with 'All Hail The King', and establish that the REAL Mandarin was out there, waiting to strike. Which, was MS's plan from the start (note the intended lack of ties between Killian/Slattery and the Ten Rings seen in IM1) following Black's intentions.

 

[spider-neil]

The 'real' Green Goblin would look stupid in live action and what possible plausible explanation could you give for wearing the purple and green outfit? Oh, just because.

I could come up with a good reason for the Mysterio outfit (effects character), Kraven outfit (jungle hunter), Vulture outfit (mechanical wings and suit) but the Goblin outfit whilst good on paper would look stupid on the big screen.

 

[JOE]

So...

Something is in the works, but it's not official?

Or something may or may not be a rumor, but they're trying to get to the bottom of it?

That's the part that's boggling my mind. I just want closure if they're not going to let him in the MCU lol. Hope is a dangerous thing.

 

[spider-neil]

That wasn't Marvel though. That was Shane Black.

Shane Black wrote The Mandarin that way because he didn't like the Mandarin as is from the comics. And to keep from rocking the boat with Black AND RDJ (who pushed for Marvel to hire Black), Marvel stepped back and let him do what he wanted.

But of course, Marvel was quick to correct Black's mistake with 'All Hail The King', and establish that the REAL Mandarin was out there, waiting to strike.

My problem with Kingsley's Mandarin wasn't how he looked but how he acted after the reveal.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The 'real' Green Goblin would look stupid in live action

You say that as if the ones that have strayed haven't looked plenty stupid themselves.

Anyway according to the FX tests Raimi did he would have looked fine. Being afraid of things 'looking stupid' is why the X-men are still running around in black leather. Yeah, good call there.

and what possible plausible explanation could you give for wearing the purple and green outfit?

What possible explanation do you need for anyone wearing tights? Norman is ****-nuts and in his whackjob mind dressing as a green monster in order to terrorize people and battle Spider-Man while keeping his ID secret is perfectly logical. No, it doesn't work for every villain, it's not a thing you want to overuse, but in Norman's case, it's completely plausible.

It's a comic book movie. If I wanted this realism garbage shoved up my nose at every turn I'd stick to Nolans Bat films.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That wasn't Marvel though. That was Shane Black.

Shane Black wrote The Mandarin that way because he didn't like the Mandarin as is from the comics. And to keep from rocking the boat with Black AND RDJ (who pushed for Marvel to hire Black), Marvel stepped back and let him do what he wanted.

But of course, Marvel was quick to correct Black's mistake with 'All Hail The King', and establish that the REAL Mandarin was out there, waiting to strike. Which, was MS's plan from the start (note the intended lack of ties between Killian/Slattery and the Ten Rings seen in IM1) following Black's intentions.

whats the excuse though? this wasn't pre-avengers so marvel were fully onboard with where they were going with phase 2 and its not like they stepped back and let shane black do his thing and only after realized what he did with it, no they knew the script and everything in advance and knew where it was going

 

[HanShotFirst]

I grew up watching Iron Man cartoons(Tony sports a mullet in some episodes lol) and Mandarin was recurring villain there. Basically he was Tony's archenemy, his Green Goblin. So naturally I was one the few who got really upset with his treatment in Iron Man 3. I feel like we got lucky with Dafoe's Gobby tbh. Sure his costume and motivations sucked, but his craziness and fight scenes were good I thought.

 

[GoldGoblin]

The 'real' Green Goblin would look stupid in live action and what possible plausible explanation could you give for wearing the purple and green outfit? Oh, just because.

I could come up with a good reason for the Mysterio outfit (effects character), Kraven outfit (jungle hunter), Vulture outfit (mechanical wings and suit) but the Goblin outfit whilst good on paper would look stupid on the big screen.

^
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KL3F5fGKTrQ

 

[W/ Great Power]

That's the part that's boggling my mind. I just want closure if they're not going to let him in the MCU lol. Hope is a dangerous thing.

That's what I've mentioned before here as well. No closure, at this point, is completely abandoning the character and burying him further in the ground.

Even if they are going to let him in the MCU by some divine miracle, I want them to have either a fluid transition or solid ending. I personally do want him to eventually be back in the MCU, by the way, but I just don't want them to completely butcher what's left in this series.

I would understand if TASM2 had some kind of end to it that didn't indicate a sequel, but they've made it far too obvious already to completely back out on that altogether.