Homecoming What should they do with the Spidey franchise?

[harryoscop]

If it were up to some people on this board Fox would have handed over the rights (free of charge) for the X-Men after X-3 and X-Men Origins: Wolverine and we wouldn't have got X-Men first class, a movie that I think is better than EVERY SINGLE Marvel Studios movie.

If it were up to me, I'd have Fox hand over the rights right now, so Marvel could get ALL of their characters incorporated into the MCU (where they belong)

 

[spider-neil]

If it were up to me, I'd have Fox hand over the rights right now, so Marvel could get ALL of their characters incorporated into the MCU (where they belong)

Marvel don't have the hours in the day to produce movies for all their characters. Marvel made two movies this year, do you think they would have had the time and the money to make an X-Men movie as well.
Who's to say Marvel would do a better job making X-Men movies than Fox?

 

[CaptainWagner]

If it were up to some people on this board Fox would have handed over the rights (free of charge) for the X-Men after X-3 and X-Men Origins: Wolverine and we wouldn't have got X-Men first class, a movie that I think is better than EVERY SINGLE Marvel Studios movie.

Well now, let's not go around saying crazy things like that

'Maybe' I could be down with a Marvel produced TV series but to be honest I haven't been that impressed with S.H.I.E.L.D. Flash is a way better TV series.

Admittingly, we haven't seen Marvel do an actual superhero show yet, so their quality is yet to be determined in that field.

 

[spider-neil]

Well now, let's not go around saying crazy things like that

I think Marvel's best movie is 'still' Iron Man (with WS a close second) and I think that FC has more weight, better themes and a WAY better villain than both of those movies.

 

[harryoscop]

Marvel don't have the hours in the day to produce movies for all their characters. Marvel made two movies this year, do you think they would have had the time and the money to make an X-Men movie as well.
Who's to say Marvel would do a better job making X-Men movies than Fox?

Marvel has plans mapped out out all the way to 2028, I'm sure they could find a way to fit XM in phase 4.

I honestly don't care who would do a better job at making X-films, they belong at Marvel.
I'm pretty psyched for W3 though.

 

[HanShotFirst]

Right on. Suddenly, a shared universe is the best these movies can aspire to.

Some of us just don't want for Spidey to miss out on all the events. Look, he doesn't have to be in Avengers team, he just needs to be part of their universe. I can live with him not being in Civil War, it will hurt a lot, but I'll survive. But if he's not there when the Infinity Gauntlet starts... I am done. I am done with Sony and their bs. I'll just stick to mah comic-books and live in ignorance.

 

[Mr.M]

I think producers have to elevate the material. It can't be teen angst 24/7. People are tired of that drab. They need writers that can incorporate commentary on pertinent themes in the current world. This is going to be what garners interest in the older viewers whose interest in the franchise has waned.

You have Oscorp as a primary backdrop. You have the Bugle which was watered down to a running punchline led by Jameson in the Raimi series. That stuff has ran its course. What you can do is explore new themes involving mega corporations. You can explore social media and how the media shows bias or turns a blind eye to certain things, while overstating other things. Oscorp and the Daily Bugle give you avenues to explore these bigger themes.

Spidey is still the face of the show. But Parker is not Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark. They have to really delve into Parker. How does the man behind the mask inspire us? What can he do when he is not slinging around and netting bad guys? It can't just be about the love life. What drives Peter Parker? We have gotten over the personal guilt with Uncle Ben. Parker's parents off shoot has not delivered till now. So this is another area that needs work.

All in all, I think it is too late honestly. If they are setting up a S6 movie, all these elements need to come into play. But Sony is running out of time and money. And a third reboot, even in the MCU, will be a franchise killer. Honestly, if we aren't going to get a solid ASM3, it's time to give the franchise an 8-10 year rest before Marvel picks up the rights and achieves what I intimated earlier in this post.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Quesada is in Marvel's TV division, not film.

Yup. I'm well aware. Let's hope he stays there and doesn't try to get his greedy mitts into the films too, should they revert. He's done his best to ruin Spider-Man in all other mediums.

 

[lukebrodyg]

If it were up to some people on this board Fox would have handed over the rights (free of charge) for the X-Men after X-3 and X-Men Origins: Wolverine and we wouldn't have got X-Men first class, a movie that I think is better than EVERY SINGLE Marvel Studios movie.

Marvel have mapped out FIVE FREAKING YEARS worth of movies. If they got the rights to Spider-Man where would that leave Spider-Man? Cameos and guest appearances, that's where. ****! THAT!!

'Maybe' I could be down with a Marvel produced TV series but to be honest I haven't been that impressed with S.H.I.E.L.D. Flash is a way better TV series.

So no, I am not desperate for Spidey to join Marvel. If it happens it happens but I'm not clamouring for it.

Look, Marvel doesn't have a perfect track record but..........WHAAAAAAAAAT? to each his or her own but this is a mind boggling claim to me.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Some of us just don't want for Spidey to miss out on all the events. Look, he doesn't have to be in Avengers team, he just needs to be part of their universe. I can live with him not being in Civil War, it will hurt a lot, but I'll survive. But if he's not there when the Infinity Gauntlet starts... I am done. I am done with Sony and their bs. I'll just stick to mah comic-books and live in ignorance.

I would encourage you to be ready for disapointment.

There would need to be a fresh Spider-man to work cleanly in this stage of MCU. Bringing in ASM Spider-man would be too messy, cheap and contrived. In other words, not Marvel's style (but Sony does cheap, messy and contrived well).

 

[spider-neil]

Look, Marvel doesn't have a perfect track record but..........WHAAAAAAAAAT? to each his or her own but this is a mind boggling claim to me.

Eric nazi hunter
Charles relationship with Eric
Charles relationship with Raven
Raven relationship with Eric
Sabastian Shaw
The theme of Eric becoming the thing he hated
Shaw's death
Charles paralysis

FOR ME makes it a better movie than Iron Man, WS and Avengers.
To me Avengers is fluff and IM and WS have strong themes but I prefer the themes in FC.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Reboot Spidey back to the beginning and bring him into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

The only good thing about First Class was Magneto. I remember sitting there thinking "where the **** is this ******** coming from? When where Charles/Raven like brother and sister?" I never read an X-Men comic until after and only knew the film series but it was ********. Also the Beast/Raven relationship was stupid since we all knew she would bone Azrael so we could have Nightcrawler.

Charles, Raven, and Beast were boring IMO. Fassbender carried First Class.

DOFP is way better. Love Charles arc and performance by James. Nick's Beast was better. Jennifer's Raven way 10 times worst though. She clearly does not give a **** about the X-Men series and completely phones it in.

First Class is nowhere as good as Iron Man 1. That film is downright perfect.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Introduce Spidey into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Start off by having Spidey appear in Civil War as a major character, then move on to Sinister Six, which will serve as a quasi-sequel to the events in ASM2, and a prequel to the MCU (predating Iron Man 1) and Civil War, with the ending acting as a bridge between the two explaining his absence so far.


Also, in regards to Sinister Six, have it be a soft reboot. Do what was mentioned as a possible scenario in the Badass Digest article and have the specifics of the ASM films so far erased/altered to fit with the MCU vision (and to correct mistakes), but keep the characters themselves recognizable (even to the point of recycling certain actors, particularly Andrew Garfield himself).

Furthermore, have S6 be a platform to introduce certain villains of Spidey that will be used down the line in a more major capacity (such as Kraven and especially Doc Ock), and have the film's ending tie everything in with the MCU to this point.


Following S6, leave Spidey off the table until "Infinity War", where he can appear in small but supporting capacity, then follow that up with a new solo (possibly based on a storyline such as Torment, Kraven's Last Hunt, or Spider-Man: Blue) in Phase 4.

 

[HanShotFirst]

I would encourage you to be ready for disapointment.

There would need to be a fresh Spider-man to work cleanly in this stage of MCU. Bringing in ASM Spider-man would be too messy, cheap and contrived. In other words, not Marvel's style (but Sony does cheap, messy and contrived well).

Dude I never said I wanted TASM Spidey to be part of MCU. I feel like reboot is the only option at this point. It's really sad Andrew won't be there though. His Spider-man was so good. He showed us that you can perfectly convey emotions without taking off your mask. He showed us that you don't have to be mute and stiff as certain someone used to be before him. Hopefully the next Spidey actor will keep that in mind.

 

[spider-neil]

The only good thing about First Class was Magneto. I remember sitting there thinking "where the **** is this ******** coming from? When where Charles/Raven like brother and sister?" I never read an X-Men comic until after and only knew the film series but it was ********. Also the Beast/Raven relationship was stupid since we all knew she would bone Azrael so we could have Nightcrawler.

Charles, Raven, and Beast were boring IMO. Fassbender carried First Class.

DOFP is way better. Love Charles arc and performance by James. Nick's Beast was better. Jennifer's Raven way 10 times worst though. She clearly does not give a **** about the X-Men series and completely phones it in.

First Class is nowhere as good as Iron Man 1. That film is downright perfect.

The 'reveal' in Iron Man is a joke and the 3rd act is predictable and wrote.
DoFP doesn't have the weight of FC because I felt nothing for the people being killed in the future.

I couldn't care less how much FC changed from the comic page just like I didn't care about the real Zuckerberg when I was watching Social Network. I wasn't pissed off with IM 3 because they changed the comic Mandarin, I was pissed off because they pulled the rug from under the MOVIE Mandarin they THEMSELVES created.

I only care about the movie in front of me and FC gripped me in a way I haven't been since Dark Knight. I couldn't disagree with you more with regards to Charles and Raven.

 

[spider-neil]

ASM doesn't need rebooting it just needs a more interesting premise than the parents story line and better writers. 20 years ago no one would be talking reboot. Reboots are a comic creation and hardly ever happened in the movies. DC and Marvel have brainwashed fans into thinking it's okay to hit the reset button when things aren't working out. That's why I hardly have any 'New 52' or 'Marvel Now'. Why bother when they will only reboot again down the line. That is what the general audience will think of the Spider-Man franchise if they reboot, 'why bother if they will only reboot again'.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

"Antiheroes" in the sense that they're the "heroes" of the story, but not heroes in the strictest sense, or at all in this case. Just like The Godfather, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, etc., can tell stories about amoral characters and still have it be compelling. The way the villain-centric chapters in the Game of Thrones books are compelling. I think that's perfectly possible with the Sinister Six.

You're referring to villain protagonists, not anti-heroes.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

ASM doesn't need rebooting it just needs a more interesting premise than the parents story line and better writers. 20 years ago no one would be talking reboot. Reboots are a comic creation and hardly ever happened in the movies. DC and Marvel have brainwashed fans into thinking it's okay to hit the reset button when things aren't working out. That's why I hardly have any 'New 52' or 'Marvel Now'. Why bother when they will only reboot again down the line. That is what the general audience will think of the Spider-Man franchise if they reboot, 'why bother if they will only reboot again'.

"I did it 35 minutestwo years ago." --Sony

This is exactly why the character would be better off attached to the MCU. The reboot has dampened interest in the franchise.

 

[spider-neil]

*Sony board meeting*

Chairman - 'How do we revive the Spider-Man franchise'

*Everyone quickly puts up their hand to answer*

Chairman - 'Anyone whose answer DOESN'T involve rebooting the character'

*Everyone slowly puts their hand down*

 

[GuestStar2004]

Marvel has plans mapped out out all the way to 2028, I'm sure they could find a way to fit XM in phase 4.

only if they ignore the logic that they don't have mutants in the MCU universe, its likely inhumans will be their version of mutants

unless mutants spring out of no where in this universe it probably won't happen

 

[GuestStar2004]

*Sony board meeting*

Chairman - 'How do we revive the Spider-Man franchise'

*Everyone quickly puts up their hand to answer*

Chairman - 'Anyone whose answer DOESN'T involve rebooting the character'

*Everyone slowly puts their hand down*

i don't think there is enough people at this board meeting, probably just arad :P

 

[GuestStar2004]

ASM doesn't need rebooting it just needs a more interesting premise than the parents story line and better writers. 20 years ago no one would be talking reboot. Reboots are a comic creation and hardly ever happened in the movies. DC and Marvel have brainwashed fans into thinking it's okay to hit the reset button when things aren't working out. That's why I hardly have any 'New 52' or 'Marvel Now'. Why bother when they will only reboot again down the line. That is what the general audience will think of the Spider-Man franchise if they reboot, 'why bother if they will only reboot again'.

i'd say X-men has shown you can bring back interest to a franchise without just rebooting

and you could say well FC is kinda a reboot but you still have hugh jackman as the face of the franchise

 

[Frodo]

Spiderman is gonna be rebooted sooner or later anyway so its really not a question if to reboot but when. Very few series have a Bond like ongoing self life and they even rebooted that with Daniel Craig. They really haven't rebooted that many comicbook film products because their reallly haven't been that many viable products until this century. This boom of comic book films is relatively new as is the term reboot it self. A reboot is is really a remake, which has been done since the beginning of Hollywood films, so this isn't some new thing.

Sherlock Holmes, Zorro, Superman, Batman, etc have been "rebooted" time and time again usually for each new generation. The only difference between then and now is that the remakes are happening in a shorter gap of time in which their isn't as big a gap between generations. As a result you have more fanboys at odds with each other because their version of a particular product is redone sooner than they would like. The reality of the situation is that the GA is alot more open to reboots than fans would like to admit, assuming the product is good. The GA embraced TDK films in a relatively short period after the 90's Batman series, They embraced Casino Royale reboot just 4 years after Die Another Day, and they did like ASM just 5 years after SM3 so audiences are open to a new version given the quality of the product. This battle over reboots as mainly among fans.

Yes, their are people who get mad that they're replacing Bale with Affleck, and rebooting the Batman series but those same people are the ones who are gonna be standing in line opening night of the new version anyway. Not saying that close reboots can't be an issue but its really not as big an issue among the GA as it is among fans.

 

[harryoscop]

Spiderman is gonna be rebooted sooner or later anyway so its really not a question if to reboot but when. Very few series have a Bond like ongoing self life and they even rebooted that with Daniel Craig. They really haven't rebooted that many comicbook film products because their reallly haven't been that many viable products until this century. This boom of comic book films is relatively new as is the term reboot it self. A reboot is is really a remake, which has been done since the beginning of Hollywood films, so this isn't some new thing.

Sherlock Holmes, Zorro, Superman, Batman, etc have been "rebooted" time and time again usually for each new generation. The only difference between then and now is that the remakes are happening in a shorter gap of time in which their isn't as big a gap between generations. As a result you have more fanboys at odds with each other because their version of a particular product is redone sooner than they would like. The reality of the situation is that the GA is alot more open to reboots than fans would like to admit, assuming the product is good. The GA embraced TDK films in a relatively short period after the 90's Batman series, They embraced Casino Royale reboot just 4 years after Die Another Day, and they did like ASM just 5 years after SM3 so audiences are open to a new version given the quality of the product. This battle over reboots as mainly among fans.

Yes, their are people who get mad that they're replacing Bale with Affleck, and rebooting the Batman series but those same people are the ones who are gonna be standing in line opening night of the new version anyway. Not saying that close reboots can't be an issue but its really not as big an issue among the GA as it is among fans.

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