The Amazing Spider-Man 2 What villain would you like to see in Amazing Spider-man 2?

[Marvel Spider]

Here's an Electro "movie-fied" sketch I did yesterday:

 

[Oscorp]

I don't even think they should waste time on an Electro's origin. I'm here, I have powers, let's all deal with it and move on.

I can definitely see Webb go that route. Especially if those lightning bolts in the mid credits scene were by Electro and not just regular thunder.

What would be interesting is if Electro even were around before the origin of Spider-Man. I know I said before that Electro shouldn't be involved in Peter's history, but what if Electro had anything to do with the plane crash? Sure, that'd mean that he must be around 35-40 years old or something and that might not fit very well with how Electro is drawn in the comics. But that's always a possibility. I'd prefer a younger, 28-30 years old Dillon though.

But I've always liked the idea of Spider-Man not being the first super being. It feels weird somehow to have the hero be created and THEN out of a sudden super villains start to pop out, as if the hero was the trigger. Feels like too much of a coincidence.

Maybe Electro was around before Peter became Spidey but he never used his full potential and therefore wasn't well known until now? Maybe he's worked for Osborn for some time to do the dirty work?

EDIT: Or maybe 35 would be a good fit for Electro. If it wasn't for him already being Magneto, I can totally see Fassbender in this role

 

[mr. peasant]

I feel this shouldn't be about sympathetic or not. Webb should be able to reach a grey area.

If morally grey is the aim, I feel Mister Negative, while not a 'classic Spider-Man villain' from decades past, fits the bill perfectly. He's a philanthropic crime boss who sponsors a soup kitchen and (secretly) heals the sick. And no, the former is not a front for his criminal activities or a means to give respectability to his public image. Rather, he does charity simply because he has the means to do so.

From a social aspect, it can even touch upon how criminal organisations such as the Triads, while leads to vice (e.g. gambling, drugs, smuggling, etc), has a positive aspect in that they lower street crime (e.g. muggings, robbery, etc) in areas under their protection.


Other reasons why Mister Negative makes for a good candidate:

He has a distinctive look and visually interesting power set. He is able to 'empower' or 'corrupt' any object or person he touches; giving it/him/her a photographic-negative effect. Which I feel looks interesting and isn't a special effect we see often onscreen. In contrast, Electro's electricity effects are pretty common in movies and television shows.

He commonly utilises throwing weapons (e.g. knives); which is something that can take advantage of 3D.

He is a skilled martial artists; which I think synergises well with Spider-Man's fight style for fast, exciting visuals. Plus, it contrasts well against Lizard's brute force fight style and Green Goblin's (assuming he's the third villain) flight, projectiles and explosives.

He has his own elite, superpowered minions which can be included in the adaptation; providing Spidey a few mooks to beat on if needed.

As alluded to above, he also has the power to heal anyone he touches. Which would be something Osborn would be interested in. Cue the OsCorp connection.



As for who to play him, I think Donny Yen has the 'Triad leader' look down pat. But if a younger, better looking actor is needed, Nicholas Tse would be just as good a candidate. It helps both are fluent in English and are skilled martial arts practitioners. But if Yen plays the character, he should also be in charge of the action. Case in point: watch this clip from Dragon Tiger Gate (in which he was action director, and which starred both, him and Tse):




Tell me that doesn't have potential to look good in 3D and that it wouldn't mesh well with Spider-Man's action style.

 

[spider-neil]

I can definitely see Webb go that route. Especially if those lightning bolts in the mid credits scene were by Electro and not just regular thunder.

What would be interesting is if Electro even were around before the origin of Spider-Man. I know I said before that Electro shouldn't be involved in Peter's history, but what if Electro had anything to do with the plane crash? Sure, that'd mean that he must be around 35-40 years old or something and that might not fit very well with how Electro is drawn in the comics. But that's always a possibility. I'd prefer a younger, 28-30 years old Dillon though.

But I've always liked the idea of Spider-Man not being the first super being. It feels weird somehow to have the hero be created and THEN out of a sudden super villains start to pop out, as if the hero was the trigger. Feels like too much of a coincidence.

Maybe Electro was around before Peter became Spidey but he never used his full potential and therefore wasn't well known until now? Maybe he's worked for Osborn for some time to do the dirty work?

EDIT: Or maybe 35 would be a good fit for Electro. If it wasn't for him already being Magneto, I can totally see Fassbender in this role

Absolutely. There plot threads to pick up from the last movie, new characters to be introduced in this movie. Screen time needed for Norman, maybe the Bugle makes an appears and all the characters associated with that paper. Having an origin for Electro will just so the pacing down, also as you said, if Electro has been around for years then he will have total mastery of his powers and this will have greater potential for cool electrical effects rather than a brand new novice who is only able to fire electical blasts.

 

[Thwip!]

What if Electro turns out to be an Intro-villain?

 

[Shikamaru]

He is too powerful to be an intro-villain. Shocker would be more likely.

 

[spider-neil]

I'd rather Spidey just take down normal crooks for opening credits. perfect opportunity for quips and two they can establish he is still looking for uncle Ben's killer even if it isn't a big part of the movie.

 

[Zucaro]

Yeah, and throughout the credits show Peter's growth you know? Were he was left off... his relationship with Gwen, the conflict that surrounds him being Spider-Man and yet putting those he loves in danger... short and sweet

 

[Spiderdevil]

I would like to see Electro pop up just like that from the start,Spidey getting his ass kicked real bad by him.He then start to investigate about him and this leads him to OSCORP and he finds out their shady experiments and Electro being a lab accident/experiment-Here his Origin should be shown in a quick montage.
Spider-man then defeats Electro after learning more about his powers(Using Rubber tipped costume or water etc...) and exposes OSCORP and Norman Osborn.

Norman Osborn is jailed in the end,igniting his hatred for Spider-man and that would be perfect set up for TASM3

 

[Spiderdevil]

And I want Max Dillon to be a crook and die like a villian in the end
We've had enough of the Mad scientist angle and the villian changing into a good guy/sacrificing himself thingy

 

[Victarion]

Electro's past includes an overprotective mother. The writers can build on that by having Maxi Dillon feel smothered by society just as he was smothered by his mother. He could be working on some machine for OsCorp when something goes wrong.

While unconscious, he dreasm about being back under the all-seeing eye of his mother. In a Tell-Tale Heart sort of moment, he resists her and fries her with bolts of electricity. Then he regains consciousness with his new powers. From there they could spin Electro as someone who wants to free the city's downtrodden from oppressive authority figures; Norman, the Police, etc. etc. They could use Electro's slip into insanity to show the extent of OsCorp's grip on New York city.

 

[AF3619]

Electro's past includes an overprotective mother. The writers can build on that by having Maxi Dillon feel smothered by society just as he was smothered by his mother. He could be working on some machine for OsCorp when something goes wrong.

While unconscious, he dreasm about being back under the all-seeing eye of his mother. In a Tell-Tale Heart sort of moment, he resists her and fries her with bolts of electricity. Then he regains consciousness with his new powers. From there they could spin Electro as someone who wants to free the city's downtrodden from oppressive authority figures; Norman, the Police, etc. etc. They could use Electro's slip into insanity to show the extent of OsCorp's grip on New York city.

or overprotective mother + Bullied at school i would love them to go like Andrew from Chronicle , btw your Avatar is creepy

 

[Still Wynning]

Electro's past includes an overprotective mother. The writers can build on that by having Maxi Dillon feel smothered by society just as he was smothered by his mother. He could be working on some machine for OsCorp when something goes wrong.

While unconscious, he dreasm about being back under the all-seeing eye of his mother. In a Tell-Tale Heart sort of moment, he resists her and fries her with bolts of electricity. Then he regains consciousness with his new powers. From there they could spin Electro as someone who wants to free the city's downtrodden from oppressive authority figures; Norman, the Police, etc. etc. They could use Electro's slip into insanity to show the extent of OsCorp's grip on New York city.

My god, that would be brilliant.

It would also provide a great counterpoint to Peter's relationship with his loving and caring Aunt and Uncle. Max Dillon felt stifled by his mother's upbringing, while Peter comes to grips with and understands why his parents had to let him go. Maybe they befriend one another near the beginning because of their similar upbringings. Max probably even resents Peter's parents giving him up.

However, when Max gains his powers, he comes into conflict with Peter because he doesn't understand why he would protect the city, even when it hasn't done him any favors, just like him. Max only sees the oppressive heel that put him down all those years, while Peter still sees the good in people. This brings them into conflict near the end of the film.

It would metaphorically be the city's best (Spider-Man) fighting against it's worst. (Electro)

 

[Venom'sDad]

What if Electro turns out to be an Intro-villain?

That would be a waste, and I for one would be very disappointed.

 

[©KAW]

I can definitely see Webb go that route. Especially if those lightning bolts in the mid credits scene were by Electro and not just regular thunder.

Sorry, but this will never happen no matter who's directing. Someone who can fly, shoot 10,000 volts of electricity, move cars around like jigsaw puzzles and vaporize someone into crust--can't just walk on screen with no back story of an origin.

 

[LegendAssemble]

or overprotective mother + Bullied at school i would love them to go like Andrew from Chronicle , btw your Avatar is creepy

I don't wanna see him get bullied at school. I'd rather him be a shy awkward Oscorp employee who gets bullied by his employers and maybe society around him in general. Most people that are insecure and have inferior complexes in real life strive to escape the endless pits their self esteems have fallen too. Constantly clawing their way up to self satisfaction but always being just out of reach.

I'd like to see electro be the oposite of what he was in Spectacular Spider-Man, I want to see his villainous deeds be driven by a fear of losing his powers. Have him constantly measure how many amps he's putting out and have this be a way that, while being the most powerful single man in the world he's still able to be bullied and exploited. I want him to die at the end, by becoming pure electricity and disappearing into nothing. Symbolizing how if you don't let go of your insecurities they will consume you.

This is why I think Electro should be one of the Post death of Gwen Stacy villains. He would be able to teach Peter that he needs to let go of his insecurities over letting his Uncle die and having a part in his girlfriends death. And ultimately learn that he can't do the right thing because he's scared and insecure, but rather because it's what is right.

I think if they went that route and had a bigger mastermind villain pulling the strings like say Miles Warren or Otto Octavious, this could be the best superhero movie of all time.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Sorry, but this will never happen no matter who's directing. Someone who can fly, shoot 10,000 volts of electricity, move cars around like jigsaw puzzles and vaporize someone into crust--can't just walk on screen with no back story of an origin.

I don't agree with a lot that you have to say but this is very true.

 

[Mike]

I like the angle of the villain trying to do whats right for the masses but not thinking about the consequences of their radical procedure. Gives the villain more depth.

 

[Shikamaru]

I noticed this thread's OP forgot to add Joe Quesada to the poll.

Good thinking, OP :UP:. TASM 2 is too early to bring him in. He should be built up over the course of several movies. He would work better as the final villain of the franchise.

He can be a corrupt lawyer that forges MJ's signature on her and Peter's divorce papers. His powers will come from the editor-in-chief hat, which works kinda like the Infinity Gauntlet. He will have full control of Spider-Man's reality until Peter breaks through his dimension, comes to our world, and kicks Quesada's ass.

Best comic book movie right there t:

 

[Oscorp]

My god, that would be brilliant.

It would also provide a great counterpoint to Peter's relationship with his loving and caring Aunt and Uncle. Max Dillon felt stifled by his mother's upbringing, while Peter comes to grips with and understands why his parents had to let him go. Maybe they befriend one another near the beginning because of their similar upbringings. Max probably even resents Peter's parents giving him up.

However, when Max gains his powers, he comes into conflict with Peter because he doesn't understand why he would protect the city, even when it hasn't done him any favors, just like him. Max only sees the oppressive heel that put him down all those years, while Peter still sees the good in people. This brings them into conflict near the end of the film.

It would metaphorically be the city's best (Spider-Man) fighting against it's worst. (Electro)

I really love the bolded part! Would be so ****ing awesome! Though I don't like the idea of Peter and Max being around the same age. I don't think I can take a young Electro seriously enough, and I'd prefer him to be a little older so we can have a better actor for him because let's face not, many young actors wouldn't fit as a super villain.

Sorry, but this will never happen no matter who's directing. Someone who can fly, shoot 10,000 volts of electricity, move cars around like jigsaw puzzles and vaporize someone into crust--can't just walk on screen with no back story of an origin.

Though they don't need to show Max becoming Electro. There are other ways around that.

I like the angle of the villain trying to do whats right for the masses but not thinking about the consequences of their radical procedure. Gives the villain more depth.

Been there, done that. I want Electro to be against the oppressive forces but not to free the people or anything like that but for his own hatred against it only.

 

[SymbioticToxin]

My god, that would be brilliant.

It would also provide a great counterpoint to Peter's relationship with his loving and caring Aunt and Uncle. Max Dillon felt stifled by his mother's upbringing, while Peter comes to grips with and understands why his parents had to let him go. Maybe they befriend one another near the beginning because of their similar upbringings. Max probably even resents Peter's parents giving him up.

However, when Max gains his powers, he comes into conflict with Peter because he doesn't understand why he would protect the city, even when it hasn't done him any favors, just like him. Max only sees the oppressive heel that put him down all those years, while Peter still sees the good in people. This brings them into conflict near the end of the film.

It would metaphorically be the city's best (Spider-Man) fighting against it's worst. (Electro)

I see where you're coming from, and I can get behind it, but I prefer to have as few of Spideys villains be his age or be connected to him. A few villains can get away with it, but not Electro. I can accept him being around his age, a year older or younger, but him being friends will just ring of Raimi movies, which is something I hated about those movies villains.
Now, background-wise, I do like your idea of him being jealous of Peter because of his family. Perhaps more of the fact that he has a loving family and his family is overbearing/abusive/ect ect. Then, maybe as a result of the powers, he snaps and takes his rage out on them and goes on a tirade. Then he becomes more of a thunderstorm with the mind of an angry and vengeful teenager. (Aren't they all?)

I like the angle of the villain trying to do whats right for the masses but not thinking about the consequences of their radical procedure. Gives the villain more depth.

By that description, you're not talking about a villain. You're talking about an anti-villain, which is all well and good. Anti-villains are pretty good when done well.
Also, I absolutely agree with that last statement. Villains with depth give you more to understand about the character and better reasons to love or hate them.

 

[spider-neil]

I still like the idea of Mysterio because he create robots and imho this is the best way of getting the sinester 6 on the big screen. No origins needed, no backstory needed, no worry about too many villians fighting for screen time, just robots Spidey villians that come at Spidey in the climax.

Everyone wins.
Marvel to make all the toys of the villians (they own the rights for merchandising)
The fans get to see their favorite villians.
The general audience get a kick ass finale.

Mysterio himself
Rhino
Shocker
Vulture
Scorpion
Plus one more preferably a villian we haven't seen before (so no Doc Ock or Sandman)

 

[SymbioticToxin]

The fans want to see their favorite villains, not robots of their favorite villains. And That's not how you'd use Mysterio. He's special effects, you can do tons of interesting things with that. If you want to go the SSM route, have him team up with Chameleon to defame and eventually frame Spider-Man and then try to sell Mysterio as a hero with acts that they set up and commit.

 

[spider-neil]

The fans want to see their favorite villains, not robots of their favorite villains. And That's not how you'd use Mysterio. He's special effects, you can do tons of interesting things with that. If you want to go the SSM route, have him team up with Chameleon to defame and eventually frame Spider-Man and then try to sell Mysterio as a hero with acts that they set up and commit.

Sony are making Spidey movies once every 2-3 years so it may be a while before you get to see your favorite villian (if it isn't a popular choice). Foftunately My favorite Spidey villian is Doc Ock and I've seen him now.

I agree Mysterio is about smoke and mirrors but that encompasses a multitude effects.

 

[Spiderdevil]

My god, that would be brilliant.

It would also provide a great counterpoint to Peter's relationship with his loving and caring Aunt and Uncle. Max Dillon felt stifled by his mother's upbringing, while Peter comes to grips with and understands why his parents had to let him go. Maybe they befriend one another near the beginning because of their similar upbringings. Max probably even resents Peter's parents giving him up.

However, when Max gains his powers, he comes into conflict with Peter because he doesn't understand why he would protect the city, even when it hasn't done him any favors, just like him. Max only sees the oppressive heel that put him down all those years, while Peter still sees the good in people. This brings them into conflict near the end of the film.

It would metaphorically be the city's best (Spider-Man) fighting against it's worst. (Electro)

Thats too much like Ra's vs Batman in BB