BvS What Went Wrong w/ Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (SPOILERS) - Part 3

[MydnightPhoenix]

Good gracious i am not arguing semantics with you. I can make changes to any movie I see whether Star Wars or Gone With The Wind but I will still say nothing is wrong with the movie as is.
I saw the movie liked it faults and all and nothing went wrong with it. My opinion let's move on.

 

[Timebomb]

Absolutely right. The blind adoration some people have towards Snyder & BvS is very puzzling. It's almost cult-like behaviour.

In my opinion, The Dark Knight is the best movie ever made, but I can still detail things I think are flawed about it (that crappy batsuit, for instance).

The inability to criticise any element of a movie because you feel you need to defend a film maker you've never met and a company you have no stake in, is weird in the extreme!

Yup. Although I am not sure if it's Snyder or DC in general. Because Snyder is responsible for the two DCEU movies we gave right now, only time will tell. However, i am seeing something eerily similar with SS and that has not even come out yet. I'm not putting down fans who generally like the film, just those who blindly do. They are out there and they know who they are ( I hope)

TDK is also my favorite CBM up to this point although there are some close to that mark.

 

[batfreakforever]

The only thing I can think of what went wrong is that they released an incomplete film in theaters but they fixed that with the UE.
Other than that I loved MOS and BVS and look forward to seeing the future of the DCCU.
Wonder Woman first solo movie looks better than I'd imagined and Suicide Squad looks to be amazing. A new Joker with Harleys first cinematic portrayal with other first time Bat villains and a Batfleck cameo with other suprises. Colour me very excited and JL movie from Zac Snyder. I'm in.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Its not brilliant, it's good but not brilliant.

 

[TheReaper86]

Well for me the major things wrong with the movie is something a lot of other big super hero movies have suffered from and that is trying to cram to many characters and plot points in one movie. The whole Africa subplot could have be dropped as well as the whole Knightmare sequence as neither was needed for the story. The Knightmare sequence and Flash warning Bruce about Superman was just so out of place and really should have been a post credits sting or something. It had nothing to do with the story being told and was literally used to set up future movies. Some other exposition scenes could have been trimmed as well. The whole death of Superman arch should have been saved for a solo Superman movie instead of cramming it in here.

 

[FlareKnight]

What went wrong...went wrong. Be it poor handling of the characters personalities (Batman and Superman), casting (Eisenberg), or trying to do too much at once. The movie wanted to be BvS, Justice League Prequel, Death of Superman storyline, a response to complaints about MoS, etc.

The UE was a better movie, but it's still just an "ok" movie. And something called Batman v Superman should be way better than that. Still don't care for how they made Superman more like Batman and Batman way more like the Punisher. It's something they can fix as the DC Universe goes along, but it will take time to get those things right.

Problem also comes down to the movie being bleak. I don't want to rewatch the movie again in all honesty. That may have hurt it in the box office as much as anything. There wasn't really anything that I wanted to go back for a second time.

 

[Bathead]

The only thing I thought went wrong was the poorly edited theatrical cut, IMO, the Ultimate cut is a terrific movie.

 

[the last son]

As time goes on killing superman was the biggest issue. Snyder just didn't get it. How much bang do you need in one movie? Batman and superman first time ever, with wonder woman and justice league all making movie first, plus the death of superman? Goodness. THat should've been saved. This movie should've ended with Batman and superman understanding their on the same team, but not really eye to eye. But everyone survives. What a waste. Other than justice league being an amazing movie which i have no reason to think it will be there are really no more surprises

 

[The Joker]

Snyder didn't get any of it. Killing Superman was just the cherry on top of a cake of rubbish decisions.

 

[DerekLake]

As time goes on killing superman was the biggest issue. Snyder just didn't get it. How much bang do you need in one movie? Batman and superman first time ever, with wonder woman and justice league all making movie first, plus the death of superman? Goodness. THat should've been saved. This movie should've ended with Batman and superman understanding their on the same team, but not really eye to eye. But everyone survives. What a waste. Other than justice league being an amazing movie which i have no reason to think it will be there are really no more surprises

As I see it, Snyder killing Superman wasn't an issue by itself. But when considered with other things, it certainly is.

1) Superman's death doesn't have the impact it should because it comes after Superman concludes that he can't remain good in the world. And this comes after he concludes that "Superman" is an untenable idea. So it's a defeatist tale rather than a triumphant sacrifice.

2) Superman's death robs the Justice League of its proper foundation. Rather than Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman serving as the team's foundation, now its a Batman, Wonder Woman team. And while that might not initially seem like a problem, when you actually consider it, you realize that without Superman the Justice League doesn't really have a proper vision.

3) Doing The Death of Superman on his second outing -- when he still isn't the Superman/Clark Kent of Metropolis that we know -- robs both the character and the universe of a more impactful, more emotional, and more significant Death of Superman story later. And that is the biggest tragedy. WB can never do this story as it should have been done.

 

[the last son]

Exactly what i meant, but you worded it better. Thanks.

 

[the last son]

Replacing Goyer for Terio. I do think Goyer was completely written out. MOS was 10x better than this movie. "Krypton had its chance" we got nothing close to that in this movie.

 

[AnneFan]

The only thing I thought went wrong was the poorly edited theatrical cut, IMO, the Ultimate cut is a terrific movie.

Get out of here. You like bad movies and rubbish characterisations that won't evolve over the course of the DCEU continuity. Snyder is a hack and stole my lunch money.

Spoiler

Just kidding, of course. BvS UC rocks.

 

[The Joker]

Replacing Goyer for Terio. I do think Goyer was completely written out. MOS was 10x better than this movie. "Krypton had its chance" we got nothing close to that in this movie.

For all Goyer's faults he does produce some good scenes. Probably why MOS is the best the DCEU has done critically and with the fans so far.

 

[DerekLake]

Replacing Goyer for Terio. I do think Goyer was completely written out. MOS was 10x better than this movie. "Krypton had its chance" we got nothing close to that in this movie.

I think I'd mostly agree.

After MOS, everyone thought Goyer was the big problem. But post-BvS, my thought is that Goyer isn't too half-bad when it comes to story and plot, provided he's paired with someone who's got the right vision (Chris Nolan) and someone who can do good dialogue (Jonah Nolan). More importantly, Goyer knows comics and gets comics. Remember, Goyer and Nolan worked on the Man of Steel idea long before Snyder came on board.

Terrio's very, very good at dialogue, and equally good at complex stories. But, here he was a bit too clever with the dialogue (especially Lex's), and his plot and narrative structures seemed more suitable for the novel or play than for a movie. And, more importantly, Terrio doesn't know comics. So pairing him with Snyder wasn't exactly the best idea.

But even with all of that, as I see it, the issue still comes down to Snyder, who wanted to take Superman on a downward trajectory that undid the character development of Man of Steel.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

But even with all of that, as I see it, the issue still comes down to Snyder, who wanted to take Superman on a downward trajectory that undid the character development of Man of Steel.

Agreed. That why I think Justice league in trouble. He director again.

 

[Docker2.0]

What went wrong???


Well the HomePage of SHH, JL is the most anticipated movie of 2017.

After all the he haters saying BVS killed the whole DC Movieverse.

I guess it's the minority who are just the loudest along with the Disney bought media that making it seem that there's something that went wrong with BVS.

So what went wrong??? Absolutely nothing. Man of Steel and BVS are a better start compared to Ironman and Thor.

Bring on SS, WW, and JL!!!

Wow! Talk about reaching! So you mean to tell me it's a conspiracy that people don't like BvS?! Disney not only bought out the media, RT, and critics but also every day Joe's on this site as well. A lot of people(like me)wanted to like BvS but that movie failed so hard! I can count on one hand that Superman actually smiled in the film. Besides him and Batman turning into the Punisher, the movie was way to dark for such a light character. It had nothing to do with Disney or being biased, the movie just wasn't that good.

For all Goyer's faults he does produce some good scenes. Probably why MOS is the best the DCEU has done critically and with the fans so far.

I agree. He and Snyder have their moments when they jaw dropping scenes but their story telling at times is questionable. I can watch BvS for the Batman rescue scene as well as some of the Superman flying scenes alone but it's just piecing it together is where I lose it.

 

[McLarenMP4]

I'm of the opinion that the majority of the film was written by Goyer and Chris Terrio pretty much worked on the Batman scenes, which is why the writing for Batman was much better.
Goyer has the cheesiest lines. "Your a monster Zod & I'm going to stop you" is terrible & the line "I'm take you in without breaking you" is just as bad.
Goyer likes to beat themes over the head and we got this constantly throughout BvS.

I didn't like BvS in theaters, especially the handling of Superman, his motivations & some of his actions just didn't make sense. After watching the UE, it was a lot better and made a lot more sense and I actually really enjoyed the UE version of the movie.

Snyder's DC movies just don't flow well, as some one pointed out he likes cool moments but they don't hold the same emotional weight because they are superficial.

The music also didn't help either, the various themes for each character took me out of the movie. The only exception was when Superman was on screen because the theme is understated, so it fitted in with the score of the movie.

I have more hope for the JL because Terrio is writing it exclusively.

BvS = 4/10
UE = 7.5/10

 

[Limonade]

I'm of the opinion that the majority of the film was written by Goyer and Chris Terrio pretty much worked on the Batman scenes, which is why the writing for Batman was much better.
Goyer has the cheesiest lines. "Your a monster Zod & I'm going to stop you" is terrible & the line "I'm take you in without breaking you" is just as bad.
Goyer likes to beat themes over the head and we got this constantly throughout BvS.

I didn't like BvS in theaters, especially the handling of Superman, his motivations & some of his actions just didn't make sense. After watching the UE, it was a lot better and made a lot more sense and I actually really enjoyed the UE version of the movie.

Snyder's DC movies just don't flow well, as some one pointed out he likes cool moments but they don't hold the same emotional weight because they are superficial.

The music also didn't help either, the various themes for each character took me out of the movie. The only exception was when Superman was on screen because the theme is understated, so it fitted in with the score of the movie.

I have more hope for the JL because Terrio is writing it exclusively.

BvS = 4/10
UE = 7.5/10

Terrio is a concern for me only for the fact that some stuff may go over audience's head. I'm still uncertain whether the changes the productions have made are enough to change the tide to their favor.

At least this time, we won't have to wait so long for the movie.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I think Terrio worse.

 

[Newtski]

The background, extras ect. Maybe I'm being picky but DK Trilogy and most Marvel movies were shot on location (with exception to the movies set in space). This movie seems like it was filmed in front of a green screen with color settings on dull. The extras bug me too. Hard to explain.

I m a big DC fan. I've watched BvS 5-6x. I like it. But it the tone is pretty dull and dark.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Dull tone matches story for movie lol.

 

[jihado86]

The background, extras ect. Maybe I'm being picky but DK Trilogy and most Marvel movies were shot on location (with exception to the movies set in space). This movie seems like it was filmed in front of a green screen with color settings on dull. The extras bug me too. Hard to explain.

agree, I was just watching some scenes from TDK trilogy and MCU, the colors are real, no over-the-top filters, no forced darkness in the image. You feel like seeing things in real life.
But in MoS and BvS it's really annoying.

 

[Docker2.0]

Yeah I don't get the making the movie gray and dark for no particular reason. When I was in the theater, I could barely see the Batman/Superman fight because it was so dark. Then come to find out they darkened some of the scenes in MOS. Like WTF!! It made no sense at all.

 

[Filmfan93]

Yeah, BvS is way too dark. It takes part of the enjoyment of watching it.
Nolan proved you can make dark looking film with very little filters (I think TDKR has a bit of a grey-ish filter when I look at certain shots). You know, when you can associate a movie look/tone with a certain color? BB is orange-brown, TDK is dark blue and TDKR is grey.

I love looking at those details when seeing a film. Sort of like the green filter added for the Matrix trilogy (especially in the first film). Everything looked a bit green, which was awesome, imo. But in BvS's and MoS' case, the darkened colors make the films look a bit fake/weird.