The Flash What will this new world look like? (spoilers inside)

[DigificWriter]

^ No, it's not. Cisco can create dimensional breaches, so you go to Earth-S and recruit Kara to help with some major crisis, or you find a way to have Kara and one or more of her allies end up crossing the dimensional barriers on their own.

 

[regnak]

^ No, it's not. Cisco can create dimensional breaches, so you go to Earth-S and recruit Kara to help with some major crisis, or you find a way to have Kara and one or more of her allies end up crossing the dimensional barriers on their own.

They could but I would bet they do a mini crisis like event to merge or move SG late in the season. that way it should not interfere with their plans for S2.

 

[DigificWriter]

The big 4-way crossover is coming in December, so there's no point in merging the universes long after they'll have already crossed dimensional barriers twice (once in said crossover and once in Worlds Finest) to team up Kara with the Earth-1 heroes.

 

[inkblaster]

It seems like the new world may look more like Earth 2 without the retro-vibe. Barry's mom is still alive, along with the original Harrison Wells, who still creates the partical accelerator, but channels the explosion underground.

Should be interesting, especially if Caitlin becomes Killer Frost and Cisco still vibes. Could also fix some Arrow stuff if Laurel is visiting her mom in Central City when it happens and gets an actual Canary Cry.

But I think that would be the limit of the impact on Arrow, as Oliver's boat trip was 5 years before the particle accelerator explosion, that's timetable was accelerated by Thawne. Possibly(hopefully) Laurel having powers lets her not die, and Oliver sees her as a better match than Felicity, but who knows.

The Supergirl/4-way crossover could still be an infinite crisis thing to round out next season and bring all the earths together for the following season.

 

[Primal Slayer]

While this should have a big impact on Arrow, I doubt it will but if it actually did they should take this opportunity to bring back Laurel Lance aka Black Canary, but I am sure MG will find a way to keep her dead even if history is changed.

 

[DigificWriter]

Again, the big 4-way crossover is coming in December, 2 months into The CW's broadcast season. There's no point in combining the universes after said crossover happens, and they're not going to use said crossover to do so because it would require the discarding of what they have been planning for Supergirl Season 2.

 

[Gallops]

I think the 4 way cross over will be when they fix everything with the timeline. Season 3 will start with Barry back in his "normal" time which is all messed up because he saved his mother from Reverse-Flash. Something major will have gone wrong causing Central City to be a warzone. Two sides battling similar to the comics, just not Wonder Woman and Aquaman. It could be the League of Shadows and a group lead by Slade Wilson. It could be two new threats.

I think the crossover is the culmination of the storyline, followed by another timeline alteration which isn't quite what Barry left in season 2 and not what he came to in season 3.

 

[DigificWriter]

In that scenario, there's no reason for Supergirl to be involved, because her world would be unaffected by what Barry did to Earth-1's timeline.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

In that scenario, there's no reason for Supergirl to be involved, because her world would be unaffected by what Barry did to Earth-1's timeline.

Unless Kara has a doppelganger on Earth-1.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ What does that have to do with anything? Melissa showing up for the crossover as an E1 Supergirl wouldn't actually count as a crossover because she wouldn't be playing the Kara Zor-El who stars in the Supergirl series.

Whatever the impetus for the crossover ends up being, it has to be something that would actually affect Supergirl's characters, and "Flashpoint" doesn't fit that bill.

 

[BMCAABY]

What if CW reboots the Supergirl storyline next year. It won't be another origin story but it would mean that Supergirl exists in The Flash world. Highly unlikely because there's no Superman on this earth.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Unless Kara has a doppelganger on Earth-1.

unless there's also multiple Kryptons that coexist with each multi earth, I don't see why/how she would have a doppelgänger

 

[KillerMcQueen]

unless there's also multiple Kryptons that coexist with each multi earth, I don't see why/how she would have a doppelgänger

I imagine the whole parallel universe thing would include Krypton, no reason not to, it's not like Earth is the only planet in the other universes.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Also, post-Flashpoint would be a good opportunity to introduce a new costume for Barry as one of the after effects of the whole event.

 

[DigificWriter]

The producers have already said that if they introduced an Earth-1 doppelganger for Kara, she'd have to be an alien; they've also said that it's possible we may get to see "Earth-S" doppelgangers of characters we're familiar with from Earth-1.

 

[Frodo]

I actually don't think they'll be some great earth shattering changes on the other series as a result of what Barry did , as some of fans seem to think.

I definitely don't think that the Supergirl series is suddenly gonna be up ended in some major way because of what Barry did.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm wondering if they should've just started the new season with everything changed and not shown Barry going back in time to save his mother at the end of season 2. Then the mystery in season 3 could've been how everything in the world is different and Barry has to figure out who has caused this and how this happened.

Then he could eventually discover that he himself went back in time and saved his mother. I'm not sure how he wouldn't remember that, but for members of the audience who are not familiar with the Flashpoint paradox, this would be more of a mystery to them.

 

[SpideyVille]

For me, it's hard to tell what the new world will look like, considering that the world from Flashpoint was very similar to what we saw on Earth 2. So I can't imagine how they can make it different from both.

I guess the obvious is Barry never becomes the Flash, at least not until 2020 when the Original Harrison Wells builds the Particle Accelerator. Knowing the CW, since they like their relationship drama, and since we already saw Barry and Iris together on Earth 2, I imagine that he doesn't know Iris very well, and their paths separated. There's also the chance that she ended up marrying Eddie.

I don't think there should be any metahumans, again, because the Accelerator in the original timeline was never made until much later, so Cisco and Caitlin shouldn't have powers. Ronnie should be alive, so it is presumed that he and Caitlin are married as well.

I'm basing this off the fact that the world as Barry knows it should be based off the fact that he never got powers and it follows the Original timeline from before Thawne ruined it by killing his mother. But it's confusing because Flashpoint shows a world that is sort of backwards, and we already got hints of this with Snart as Mayor and Robert Queen being the Arrow. So it's really hard for me to think about what changes they will make this time around.

 

[Golgo-13]

The Barry that was in the closet, that got erased was the Barry from S1. The Barry that saves his mom is season 2 Barry. So that means that the events of season 1 are now part of an alternate timeline. Season 2 Barry lives through the events of saving his mom, and at some point travels back and now has to prevent his past Season 2 self from stopping the Reverse Flash.

So when we see that scene again there will be 4 Flashes; the one that runs young Barry out the house and then disappears as seen in season 1, the one in the closet who will not get erased this time, then the one who has lived through Flashpoint, who not only now tells the one in the closet not to intervene but who now also has to stop his Season 2 Pre-Flashpoint self that came back to stop the Reverse Flash.

 

[Dark Raven]

The Barry that was in the closet, that got erased was the Barry from S1. The Barry that saves his mom is season 2 Barry. So that means that the events of season 1 are now part of an alternate timeline. Season 2 Barry lives through the events of saving his mom, and at some point travels back and now has to prevent his past Season 2 self from stopping the Reverse Flash.

So when we see that scene again there will be 4 Flashes; the one that runs young Barry out the house and then disappears as seen in season 1, the one in the closet who will not get erased this time, then the one who has lived through Flashpoint, who not only now tells the one in the closet not to intervene but who now also has to stop his Season 2 Pre-Flashpoint self that came back to stop the Reverse Flash.

Shouldn't there already be 4 Flashes there?

1. The one who saved young Barry.
2. The one from the end of Season 1 who went back to save his mother but didn't
3. The one we saw at the end of season 1 (who has already lived through Flashpoint) who warned off the one who went back
4. The one from the end of season 2 who actually did save his mother

So shouldn't there be 5 Flashes next time round, not 4?

Ie, another one post-Flashpoint who stops season 2 Barry from saving his mother?

But where was #3 on that list in the finale? Shouldn't we have already seen him there?

 

[Golgo-13]

Shouldn't there already be 4 Flashes there?

1. The one who saved young Barry.
2. The one from the end of Season 1 who went back to save his mother but didn't
3. The one we saw at the end of season 1 (who has already lived through Flashpoint) who warned off the one who went back
4. The one from the end of season 2 who actually did save his mother

So shouldn't there be 5 Flashes next time round, not 4?

I.e, another one post-Flashpoint who stops season 2 Barry from saving his mother?

But where was #3 on that list in the finale? Shouldn't we have already seen him there?

That's what i was thinking also. There's should have been an additional Barry; the one from season 2 should have encounted the one who has already lived through Flashpoint, so they would have both been standing there when season 1 Barry opens the door and peaks in…

Unless next season, post-Flashpoint Barry stops season 2 Barry at some point after young Barry is taken out of the house, and then either season 2 Barry leaves, leaving post-Flashpoint Barry to be the one to stop S1 Barry, or post-Flashpoint Barry tells season 2 Barry what happens, leaves, and it's season 2 Barry who is the one who stops season 1 Barry who's behind the door…..

 

[Dark Raven]

I thought maybe Season 2 Barry knocked post-Flashpoint Barry out the way. He wasn't going to put up with some idiot telling him not to save his mother again!

 

[vantheman77]

If it doesn't go full Flashpoint, it may likely be the original timeline where the original Earth-1 Harrison Wells creates Star Labs.

I agree with Digificwriter about Flashpoint doesn't bring all four shows together. It would take a major Crisis to bring all four shows together such as Multiverse or Zero Hour.

 

[Eni]

Well it happened because sales fell and they needed to reinvent the brand.


Here's another question.. Why did Red Emblem Flash disappear?

Obviously Barry altered the timeline, so his past self never time traveled...

But shouldn't that mean the current Barry (white emblem) would also disappear...

Because his entire history has been undone and rewritten.

You've a good point there. He should have disappeared.

I think it is really just the writers not establishing real rules for time travelling so that they have more freedom when writing episodes. It is probably partly due to laziness but probably also on purpose because they do not wanting to writing themselves into a corner by playing according to certain time travelling rules.

If you really think about it, the whole thing is a pretty big mess. I wonder what will come of season 2 Barry, he more or less replaces the live of the actual Barry whose timeline he created with his doing in the final episode of season 2 should he travel back. I wonder whether the writers will address this or just ignore it.

 

[Gallops]

Well it happened because sales fell and they needed to reinvent the brand.


Here's another question.. Why did Red Emblem Flash disappear?

Obviously Barry altered the timeline, so his past self never time traveled...

But shouldn't that mean the current Barry (white emblem) would also disappear...

Because his entire history has been undone and rewritten.

Red Emblem Flash disappeared because he never time traveled back because he had no reason to.

Obviously, he's not losing his powers. I think that is clear given that he didn't disappear. However, that doesn't mean that the season 3 opener won't show the current version of Barry disappearing to start the episode. If he doesn't disappear, then obviously Barry won't lose his powers. If he does, then he'll likely lose his powers until he can correct the timeline.

We are going to have to wait until season 3 to see the consequences of this and for all we know the start of season 3 could be Barry disappearing and then waking up in the new timeline, aware of what went on but completely powerless.