whats so bad about MJ and the romance?

[LizardMan07]

You really seem to flip-flop a lot.

Once you get proven wrong on something, you seem to try to turn it into something we didn't understand and how we didn't get what you were implying. It would be understandable if it happened once, but it seems to happen a lot.

Debate the topic not the person surely?

Furthermore, I haven't really seen AL do that regularly, mind linking other instances when he's done that?

 

[Majik1387]

No, it's not.

Just because Lizard did not attempt to kidnap her does not mean she didn't defend herself.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Yes it is. You can't defend yourself against something that isn't an attack on you. It's like pepper spraying someone for coming up and saying hello to you lol.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Did it work?
NO!
She needs her boyfriend to do everything!!
That makes me hate her personality. She was written so badly I honestly wanted her to die in SM3
She's a walking stereotype
You defend that?

Ummm Even Peter(aka Spiderman) had trouble fighting Doc Ock so how was MJ supposed to stop him? lmao We're talking about Super powered VILLAINS! Its not as unrealistic as a woman punching the villain and the villain doing absolutely nothing against her

 

[The Joker]

Ummm Even Peter(aka Spiderman) had trouble fighting Doc Ock so how was MJ supposed to stop him? lmao We're talking about Super powered VILLAINS! Its not as unrealistic as a woman punching the villain and the villain doing absolutely nothing

Exactly. This conversation is hilarious.

Furthermore Gwen knew the Lizard was coming. She had time to prep and hide. Poor MJ never saw any of the villains coming for her, and even in two out of the three situations she thought quick on her feet, and tried to clobber Ock with a plank of wood, and she dropped a cinder block on Venom's head, giving Spidey the chance to escape Venom's grip.

Yeah I think it was great Gwen was prepped with the bunsen burner flame just in case she was attacked. She was no ***** willow either.

This pissing contest of who was a better damsel in distress is ridiculous. Does every thread have to turn into a Raimi vs Webb scenario, even though it is NOT ALLOWED!

 

[Majik1387]

Seriously.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Don't say poor MJ....

 

[The Joker]

Why?

 

[Johnny-Oh]

At least she died helping Spidey to defeat Electro.

Can't say the same for some other girl..

By hitting him with a car despite the fact that it was established that he doesn't take physical damage LOL On top of that she lefts him unconscious for a moment, at this point its obvious they wanna portray her as a "strong woman" but failing miserably in execution.

 

[Majik1387]

Seriously......?

Gwen barely knows what Electro's power stats are. While it might not have hurt him getting hit by a car, it worked for the moment that Spidey needed. And both she and Spidey left him unconscious, not just her.

Can we turn this thread back onto Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane? Seriously?

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Exactly. This conversation is hilarious.

Furthermore Gwen knew the Lizard was coming. She had time to prep and hide. Poor MJ never saw any of the villains coming for her, and even in two out of the three situations she thought quick on her feet, and tried to clobber Ock with a plank of wood, and she dropped a cinder block on Venom's head, giving Spidey the chance to escape Venom's grip.

Yeah I think it was great Gwen was prepped with the bunsen burner flame just in case she was attacked. She was no ***** willow either.

This pissing contest of who was a better damsel in distress is ridiculous. Does every thread have to turn into a Raimi vs Webb scenario, even though it is NOT ALLOWED!

Yeah I completely agree.

Its hard not to compare Webb vs Raimi in this topic though, specially because most people consider MJ a terrible character in contrast to Gwen(something I completely disagree btw).

I think the reason why people don't like MJ is because she isn't blindly devoted to peter(as certain other love interests), she would leave him if that's what's best for her and since that sometimes can get in the way on the hero's goals they hate her by not making things easy for him even though its more realistic that way.

 

[The Joker]

Spider-Man's girlfriends should not be serious threats to the villains. Physically or otherwise. Seriously saying Gwen wasn't much physically against Electro is a good thing.

One of my favorite scenes in SM-2 was Ock casually swatting MJ away when she tried to hit him from behind. That's what these girls are against super powered villains. Like insects to be swatted away. Can you imagine the fan backlash if a Spidey villain got taken down by one of the Spidey women (not counting Black Cat).

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Why?

Just...don't

I mean...it's forced!

Okay Joker,here we go.

 

[Majik1387]

Its hard not to compare Webb vs Raimi in this topic though, specially because most people consider MJ a terrible character in contrast to Gwen(something I completely disagree btw).

Plenty of us have been able to keep it purely about MJ no problem.

I think the reason why people don't like MJ is because she isn't blindly devoted to peter(as certain other love interests), she would leave him if that's what's best for her and since that sometimes can get in the way on the hero's goals they hate her by not making things easy for him even though its more realistic that way.

It not just the devotion that she doesn't have that makes people not like her.

 

[The Joker]

Just...don't

I mean...it's forced!

Hey just because you felt no sympathy for her doesn't mean I didn't.

Okay Joker,here we go.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

It not just the devotion that she doesn't have that makes people not like her.

So what is it then?

 

[Majik1387]

I've already written a lengthy post about her issues.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah I completely agree.

Its hard not to compare Webb vs Raimi in this topic though, specially because most people consider MJ a terrible character in contrast to Gwen(something I completely disagree btw).

Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of MJ (mainly because of Spider-Man 3), but she's far from terrible compared to Gwen. They don't need to be compared to discuss MJ.

I think the reason why people don't like MJ is because she isn't blindly devoted to peter(as certain other love interests), she would leave him if that's what's best for her and since that sometimes can get in the way on the hero's goals they hate her by not making things easy for him even though its more realistic that way.

There's some things that MJ did that were inexcusable. The bulk of them are in Spider-Man 3 actually. I didn't have any real problem with her in the first two movies, because she didn't know Peter was Spider-Man, so it was easy to understand why she was upset with him when he kept letting her down and was never there for her.

But in 3 she was in the know, she was with him, and she still behaves like a selfish biotch.

She tells Peter to tell her he loves her, and then never says it back to him when he does. She gets angry at him when he tries to reassure her about the bad review she gets. She throws him a hateful jealous look when she realizes the crowd outside her theater are clapping for Spidey and not her. She doesn't tell Peter she got fired and then gets all upset when she claims he doesn't understand how she feels.

She gets annoyed and jealous that he did the sacred upside down kiss with Gwen for a publicity stunt, but it's ok for her to use the kiss on John Jameson, and that was a private intimate kiss. Should Peter get annoyed every time she kisses a guy in a play?

She gives into Harry's threat and dumps Peter. Harry doesn't threaten her life, or Aunt May's or anyone else's. Just Peter's. She knows first hand Peter is more than able to deal with Harry since she's seen him take on Green Goblin and Doc Ock successfully first hand. Instead of just telling Peter what Harry is doing she breaks Peter's heart instead. What's even worse is that Harry can still try and kill Peter after this anyway.

She kisses Harry when she's with Peter. She's finally with the guy she's supposed to love and she still ends up kissing another guy anyway.

I liked her in the first two movies, but she was awful in 3. I chalk this up to Raimi not having creative control. Everything just took a nose dive.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

IN SM2, ugh, she was such a shrew. Dates JJJ's son, gets fussy with Peter over a play, connects again with Peter, all of a sudden engaged to JJJ's son, tries to creepily reenact the upside down kiss, still tries to see Peter on the side, gets kidnapped, see's Peter is Spidey and then leaves JJJ's son at the altar. Sorry but that is all kinds of sloppy, skanky, hot mess. Being overly hot/cold to Peter, treating JJJ's son like he's nothing and trying to make him kiss like a past flame, and then ditches him for no good reason. She had more than enough time to call off the wedding and could even blame her kidnapping if need be; she's a needy skank here and totally goes downhill in

She didn't get fussy with Pete over a play! Its what that represents, I mean even she explains this when she said to him that everyone went to see her except him I don't know how you can use that against her. She dates JJJ's son because Peter avoids her, what is she supposed to do? What for him until he's got time for her? That's exactly what I meant that she isn't blindly devoted to him.

She never "connects with Peter again" she's mad that he didn't go to see her after he promised which is why she gets engaged with James. The upside down kiss with James was to see if it made her feel as her kiss with Peter and Spidey made her feel, its selfish but reasonable in her situation.

Poor James lol I felt bad for him but hey life's tough.

In SM3, she now knows Peter's situation. Ok cool, but then, feeling ignored and jealous, she starts seeing Harry on the side the same way she saw Peter on the side when she was girlfriend to Harry in SM1 and JJJ's son in SM2. And not just once, but throughout the entire movie, and Harry is not just some guy either, it's Peter's best friend ever, and he's also her ex from high school that wasn't that long ago at the time. And Harry makes her break up with him! I know MJ is not genius level or anything, but no offense, if Spider-Man is your boyfriend, you can tell him what's wrong and work together on how to fix it, not all of a sudden just do what your ex told you to do. And for her to get mad that Peter went on a date after she broke up with him, after all the build up of the first two movies, it's just you can't sympathize for that character when she knowingly caused all of it. Then all Spidey saves her once more and their closest friend, that's so at the heart of their trio dies, they just brush it off literally after his funeral and have their happy ending. I will say, the upside down Spider-Man kiss was an ******* move on Peter's part, but MJ did the same thing as well in SM2, so that's karma. However, that's still not a good reason for MJ to leave the restaurant simply because Gwen happened to be there as well.

Ugh I adressed most of this in my first post, its in page 2 if you wanna be proven wrong lol

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Oh come on Joker..you can't be totally serious, she doesn't bring anything good to the table BUT alright..

Seriously,I was expecting that gif

 

[The Joker]

Oh come on Joker..you can't be totally serious, she doesn't bring anything good to the table BUT alright..

Again Andrew I don't agree. I am totally serious. She does provide some positivity to these movies. Mainly the first two. Not the third for reasons I explained to Johnny above.

Seriously,I was expecting that gif

I'm glad I didn't disappoint then lol.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of MJ (mainly because of Spider-Man 3), but she's far from terrible compared to Gwen. They don't need to be compared to discuss MJ.



There's some things that MJ did that were inexcusable. The bulk of them are in Spider-Man 3 actually. I didn't have any real problem with her in the first two movies, because she didn't know Peter was Spider-Man, so it was easy to understand why she was upset with him when he kept letting her down and was never there for her.

But in 3 she was in the know, she was with him, and she still behaves like a selfish biotch.

She tells Peter to tell her he loves her, and then never says it back to him when he does. She gets angry at him when he tries to reassure her about the bad review she gets. She throws him a hateful jealous look when she realizes the crowd outside her theater are clapping for Spidey and not her. She doesn't tell Peter she got fired and then gets all upset when she claims he doesn't understand how she feels.

She gets annoyed and jealous that he did the sacred upside down kiss with Gwen for a publicity stunt, but it's ok for her to use the kiss on John Jameson, and that was a private intimate kiss. Should Peter get annoyed every time she kisses a guy in a play?

She gives into Harry's threat and dumps Peter. Harry doesn't threaten her life, or Aunt May's or anyone else's. Just Peter's. She knows first hand Peter is more than able to deal with Harry since she's seen him take on Green Goblin and Doc Ock successfully first hand. Instead of just telling Peter what Harry is doing she breaks Peter's heart instead. What's even worse is that Harry can still try and kill Peter after this anyway.

She kisses Harry when she's with Peter. She's finally with the guy she's supposed to love and she still ends up kissing another guy anyway.

I liked her in the first two movies, but she was awful in 3. I chalk this up to Raimi not having creative control. Everything just took a nose dive.

I actually liked her in SM3, maybe not as much as in the first two but I still kind understand her point of view. My problems with her in 3 are similar to yours, many things she does seem to be there just to create unnecesary drama but I don't blame her simply because that goes for every single character in that movie. Conceptually I understand why they were trying to do but with countless other characters she comes off as the least interesting and most annoying.

 

[Majik1387]

She didn't get fussy with Pete over a play! Its what that represents, I mean even she explains this when she said to him that everyone went to see her except him I don't know how you can use that against her. She dates JJJ's son because Peter avoids her, what is she supposed to do? What for him until he's got time for her? That's exactly what I meant that she isn't blindly devoted to him.

She never "connects with Peter again" she's mad that he didn't go to see her after he promised which is why she gets engaged with James. The upside down kiss with James was to see if it made her feel as her kiss with Peter and Spidey made her feel, its selfish but reasonable in her situation.

Poor James lol I felt bad for him but hey life's tough.

Ugh I adressed most of this in my first post, its in page 2 if you wanna be proven wrong lol

I know what the play represents, and she overreacted. As for her dating JJJ's son, fine, but don't try pulling the sympathy card. She only gives Peter a true chance at the end of SM1 when Harry dumps her. Should he have only waited for her? No, he did the mature, heart-breaking thing by turning her down, for his responsibility and her safety.
In SM2, it's pretty crappy she all of a sudden is dating JJJ's son to the point of engagement literally a couple of days, weeks at most after giving up on Peter for a minute. She does reconnect with Peter again after he finally got around to seeing the play. And I also don't see how appealing a character can be to get engaged because someone didn't see the play.

Regarding the upside down kiss in both cases, it's reasonable and selfish for both, and I've said as such.

Exactly, life is tough. MJ knows this. She needs to grow up. Granted JJJ's engagement was out of the blue, but nothing the guy did warranted the ****iness that MJ treated him with. It's as bad as how Kate Bosworth treated James Marsden in Superman Returns.

And read your post, it didn't prove any of what I said wrong.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

I do agree that Dunts and Maguire don't have much chemistry, she actually had more chemistry with Franco in the third movie lol That being said a relationship in film that its only based on the actors chemistry is much worse.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Again Andrew I don't agree. I am totally serious. She does provide some positivity to these movies. Mainly the first two. Not the third for reasons I explained to Johnny above.



I'm glad I didn't disappoint then lol.

Okay man,i'm going to respect that.