The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die? - Part 1

What I've been saying? Yeah, honey, you'd have known that if you even listened to me anymore! *cries over tub of ice cream*I was paranoid in High School and afraid of dying everyday. But I was beaten up and threatened regularly, so...

When I was in high school I was bullied and had no friends freshman year. Sophomore year I made friends with the coolest kid in school, got a girlfriend, and had the life. Junior year my mom got remarried I wasn't allowed to go to the middle floor, eat if my stepdad was home which was almost always, use the front door, or even act like I exist, my girlfriend did my bestfriend and used the fact I had family problems to keep my around. My senior year I dumped her but I got bullied and in fights more than I did my freshman year and my mom would actually punish me for other kids picking on me, and I ended up trying to drink and party my problems away. Anyway I'm sorry to hear that, if you're still there college is a lot better, and I know how you feel.
 
That's what he did in the comics. I probably should've said, "He'll just cry for half a movie, and then hook up with MJ" but I'm on my phone and it restricts my funny. And I thought you were ignoring me? Stick to your guns man.

you must always be on your phone often then....
 
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What I've been saying? Yeah, honey, you'd have known that if you even listened to me anymore! *cries over tub of ice cream*I was paranoid in High School and afraid of dying everyday. But I was beaten up and threatened regularly, so...

i'm sorry to hear that, but that's not everyone, and to be honest? it's not really peter parker. I mean, sure he was beat up everyday.. but his story differed from yours once that spider bit him. Peter no longer was really afraid of school. Your experiences don't make them his. you can just relate to him on the aspects you share.
 
That's what he did in the comics. I probably should've said, "He'll just cry for half a movie, and then hook up with MJ" but I'm on my phone and it restricts my funny. And I thought you were ignoring me? Stick to your guns man.

soo... you say "gwen doesn't have to be written the way she is in the books", yet you seem to think peter would be?
 
Is that jealousy I hear? Now sweetums, it's just Emma Stone that I love, okay? Gwen in the movie is a pretty lame character, she's hardly funny at all, has no real personality beyond cool moments and crying, and lacks anything that makes her a 3 dimensional character, like anger, or any other passionate emotion, she's JUST a likable girl, and the only reason she's even THAT is because they were smart enough to cast EM in what would have otherwise been a boring role. NO teenager has that mindset. That's just stupid. And it won't be a reality check. He'll just hook up with MJ, having never learned a thing. I've resigned myself to that fact.

I cannot explain in words what an idiotic thing you just said and how much you're gasping through straws to try to think of any argument to use against Gwen's death. If you really think no teen in this entire world has that mindset, you fall in one (or more) of these categories:
1) You have been living under a rock your whole life and have almost no contact with the world. This is the least likely one IMO.
2) You have yet to be a teen or you are currently a teen thus you are not mature enough to realize that a lot of teens do think like that. You might even be one of the teens that thinks like that. This is the most likely one IMO.
3) You have some sort of mental disability. And trust me that I am not trying to insult you. I am saying that as politely as I can. Please tell me you fall in one of the first 2 categories I listed or else I'm going to be very scared. O__O

Either way, I refuse to take you seriously and give you any sort of credibility after you saying that. You are clearly not intelligent or mature enough (or both) to handle a conversation like this and it's not worth it to have a discussion like this with you.
 
I'm cool with it now. I mean, I have a lot of my fonder memories from HS too. It wasn't all bad. Nothing's EVER all bad.

Personally I find it disgusting you're now trying to use your experiences to try to get the the sympathy card on your internet argument.
 
soo... you say "gwen doesn't have to be written the way she is in the books", yet you seem to think peter would be?
No. When did I say that? I said I've resigned to the fact that'll happen. I don't think it should. No one ever pays attention to my words. *continues crying*
 
No. When did I say that? I said I've resigned to the fact that'll happen. I don't think it should. No one ever pays attention to my words. *continues crying*

now you know how EVERYONE who disagrees with you feels... :whatever:
 
No. When did I say that? I said I've resigned to the fact that'll happen. I don't think it should. No one ever pays attention to my words. *continues crying*

Well you change your argument every time someone pushes you into a corner...
 
Personally I find it disgusting you're now trying to use your experiences to try to get the the sympathy card on your internet argument.
You brought it up, man, not me. Personally I find it disgusting how you make baseless assumptions and attack meaningless **** when you have nothing better to say, but, what are you gonna do? Get over yourself dude.
 
I cannot explain in words what an idiotic thing you just said and how much you're gasping through straws to try to think of any argument to use against Gwen's death. If you really think no teen in this entire world has that mindset, you fall in one (or more) of these categories:
It's a pretty lame stereotype. To be clear though, you replied to my post, in a discussion forum, to tell me you didn't want to have a discussion with me anymore? Really? At least spideyboy_1111 had the decency to not pester me about this. But whatever... move along.
 
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Okay. So what's the new approach they're supposed to take on Peter?

Well considering we already have a new approach on peter ...

He's no longer the stereotypical nerd. But more of a modern day outcast
 
It's a pretty lame stereotype. To be clear though, you replied to my post, in a discussion forum, to tell me you didn't want to have a discussion with me anymore? Really? At least spideyboy_1111 had the decency to not pester me about this. But whatever... move along.

To stereotype is to assume that every single person falling in a particular category is that way. I never said ALL teens have that mindset. I just said teens with that mindset exist. But according to you, not a single teenager on this planet has that mindset. That is where the stupidity, ignorance, and BS argument lies.
 
Well considering we already have a new approach on peter ...

He's no longer the stereotypical nerd. But more of a modern day outcast

To be fair, stereotypical nerds haven't been the majority of nerds since the 1960's. Nerds have evolved past that so it is a bit unfair when I hear people criticize Andrew Garfield for not portraying Peter as the stereotypical nerd (I know you didn't but I'm just addressing this in general). And even back in the 1960's, Peter's look and personality still wasn't exactly like the look and personality of a stereotypical nerd. There are issues from the 1960's where he challenges and beats Flash in a boxing match at their high school.
 
To stereotype is to assume that every single person falling in a particular category is that way. I never said ALL teens have that mindset. I just said teens with that mindset exist. But according to you, not a single teenager on this planet has that mindset. That is where the stupidity, ignorance, and BS argument lies.
And LA did the exact same thing by refering to it as that of a "typical teen" which is a stereotype, meaning his argument is full of stupidity, ignorance, and BS. But yet you're only attacking and insulting me... Hmmm... Curious. Not really. You're a child throwing a hissy fit because someone doesn't agree with you, so you look for an excuse to attack them for meaningless **** that has nothing to do with the discussion itself. LA does this all the time. Get over it, and grow up, mate. On that note... I thought you were having no more discussions with me? Don't tell someone you're going to ignore them, and then not ignore them. It's disappointing.
 
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Well... To be fair many if not most, teens do feel that way. Its pretty common knowledge that teens tend to be irrational, sweat the small stuff, jump to conclusions, be in a rush to grow up, don't think things through etc.... Hormones and lack of experience with "real life" situations tend to do this. are all teens this way? Certainly not. But its not delusional to suggest so. however..... I do not think peter is completely this type by any means. I do however think there's a few acts of responsibility he still needs to learn though. Which is expected. A 17/18 year old shouldn't act or think like they're 40
 
To be fair, stereotypical nerds haven't been the majority of nerds since the 1960's. Nerds have evolved past that so it is a bit unfair when I hear people criticize Andrew Garfield for not portraying Peter as the stereotypical nerd (I know you didn't but I'm just addressing this in general). And even back in the 1960's, Peter's look and personality still wasn't exactly like the look and personality of a stereotypical nerd. There are issues from the 1960's where he challenges and beats Flash in a boxing match at their high school.

Peter has always been more of a Chuck Bukowski than a Steve Urkle ... he's an attractive geek more so than a nerd. He's in no way like anyone on the big bang theory fir instance.

Which... This always annoyed me when people said he looked like a nerd in the comics.... After that spider bite and out of hs he was no longer a nerd. Just a really smart guy with a heart of gold
 
You brought it up, man, not me. Personally I find it disgusting how you make baseless assumptions and attack meaningless **** when you have nothing better to say, but, what are you gonna do? Get over yourself dude.

Get over yourself everyone has problems man.
 
Well... To be fair many if not most, teens do feel that way. Its pretty common knowledge that teens tend to be irrational, sweat the small stuff, jump to conclusions, be in a rush to grow up, don't think things through etc.... Hormones and lack of experience with "real life" situations tend to do this. are all teens this way? Certainly not. But its not delusional to suggest so. however..... I do not think peter is completely this type by any means. I do however think there's a few acts of responsibility he still needs to learn though. Which is expected. A 17/18 year old shouldn't act or think like they're 40

Peter does act like a teenager though, he pretty much tells Gwen his secret identity to impress her, and that fine. If I was 17 and I was spider-man and I liked a girl a lot, id probably have done the same thing. However like you said they sweat the small stuff and realize they're growing up, this really hits you hard when you screw up. I crashed my moms car when I was 17 and I remember thinking about how I can't think this back and how much I screwed up and how much I just wanted to take it back. I imagine Peter would feel the same way about Gwen dying, but ten fold.

Also do Dagenspear you should just stop, you've pretty much told us that the only reason you even like Gwen is because your an Emma Stone fan, which is a stupid reason for her to stay alive.
 
2) the trilogy is going to center around the parents mystery. It wont always be in focus, but it's the theme of the trilogy. It also doesn't mean it will distract from other stories being told.

I agree with this interpretation. However, I disagree that it won't distract from other stories. If anything, it guarantees that the third (and final) movie's climax will centre on this particular plot as opposed to any other plot.

3) considering a single movie can kill off a character, and make the audience ball their eyes out (umm Up did that in under like 4 min....), Lion King did that in under the first 30, and Titanic made you cry for people you didn't even hear utter a line (like the old couple holding each other in bed) for a list of other films that have made many shed a tear in just one film... look no further. HERE

considering these films were able to pull so much emotion into one film... there's really no reason at all we coudln't get that emotion from peter and gwen by the end of the 2nd film... especially by the third. It's a bit ridiculous to think it couldn't be done. The only question, is if the writers are able to write emotion well enough

Of course, it bears mentioning that those two movies then spend the rest of its time showing the fallout of those deaths. It is this dedicated follow through that is needed in order for the death to leave an impact on the viewer. If no consequences are shown for the duration following the death, said death would feel inconsequential. Sure, the audience will feel bad/sad as they watch the scene but five minutes later, they'd probably have forgotten about it.

i suggest lowering the parental plot in the 2nd film, and possibly having a small scene where he finds and confronts the burglar. to which, he almost looses his edge... but don't make finding him an obsession by any means.
but focus the rest on Gwen and Peter, and the new villain(s). build the intensity of the relationship up, where everyone is routing for them. then shock everyone with her sudden demise in (what i'd hope) would be the finale of the 2nd film.

truth be told, it'd be less congested than even the previous film. so it should be alot easier to concentrate upon the two of them. The film shouldn't be much angst anyway.. the guy is loving being spider-man, he's got the girl. There's really no reason for this second film to be angsty at all.

Yes, doing this would leave the sequel less congested plot-wise than TASM. However, it still results in the third movie to be even more congested; as it would have to deal with (the entirety of) the aftermath of Gwen's death and the plotline regarding Peter's parents. As the latter is the major focus and point of the trilogy, the former won't take centre stage in the finale over the latter.



Sharing focus during the third movie's climax would only weaken both subplots as each one would take attention away from the other. Likewise, conflating the two plotlines together into one (e.g. the person responsible for what happened to Peter's parents is the same person responsible for killing Gwen) also weakens the emotional strength and significance of each individual event as it muddies up his motivations. For instance, whenever Peter does an action (e.g. take revenge against this villain), the following thought process occurs:

1. Did Peter do this because of what happened to his parents, because Gwen was killed, or both?
2. If Gwen hadn't died, would what happened to his parents be enough to drive him to this action? (or vice versa)
3. If that answer is yes, does that render Gwen's death meaningless? (or vice versa)
4. If that answer is no, does that mean that Peter's feelings for his parents was not great enough to push him to this? (or vice versa)

The only way for it to work pacing-wise in the third installment is for one to turn into another (e.g. Peter's parents turn out to be alive and they (or one of them) is the one who kills Gwen; resulting in Peter's angst over their disappearance to evolve/be replaced by angst and guilt over Gwen's death).

Therefore, I contend that if there was ever a time to kill Gwen off in this trilogy (which seems to be focusing on Peter's parents' disappearance), it would have been at the climax of the first movie - with the second movie focusing on the fallout of her death and leaving the finale movie free to focus on Peter's parents - and that the opportunity (or at least, the optimal time) to kill her has now passed. Killing Gwen off early in the second movie is strategically and narratively unwise as it would reek of Sudden Sequel Death Syndrome and threaten to break the audience/fan base. Killing Gwen late in the second movie results in the third having too many plots to focus on; as would killing her then.

Now, if there was a fourth movie or a second trilogy, then that would be an entirely different equation.
 
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Her dying in the third film will be just fine. No fourth film, please.
 

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