The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die?

[LegendAssemble]

Okay, let's disect this statement, shall we? In the "real world" no one would listen to crazy rantings about giant lizards. Come on man, really? In what universe is not wanting your daughter to be ripped to shreds by a monster "overprotective?" Seriously? Peter gave Connors the equation, without Peter's thoughtless actions there can be no Lizard, and without the Lizard Captain Stacy lives. Peter himself even says "I created him."

Okay when theres multiple witnesses, probably a couple pictures, and damage that matches the M.O. of a giant Lizard, then it would make sense to ask the guy who's been talking about giving people animal DNA...Also in the real world there aren't hologram labs.

Peter gave Connors the equation...yes, but Connors was the one that injected himself with it and acted irrationally. If I give someone a bottle of Advil I don't expect them to swallow the bottle and choke...

Also no he was being overprotective by judging Peter harshly and probably giving him a hard time for being a boy thats seeing her daughter.

If you hate Peter Parker as a character why the hell did you even leave your trolling station in your room and go see a Spider-Man movie at all?

 

[Jexx]

Okay, let's disect this statement, shall we? In the "real world" no one would listen to crazy rantings about giant lizards. Come on man, really? In what universe is not wanting your daughter to be ripped to shreds by a monster "overprotective?" Seriously? Peter gave Connors the equation, without Peter's thoughtless actions there can be no Lizard, and without the Lizard Captain Stacy lives. Peter himself even says "I created him."

When he gave the formula to Connors he thought it would work, it was his father's formula. There was no risk of turning into a gigantic lizard from his point of view.

 

[Supa]

I do kinda have to wonder how no one knew it would turn him into the Lizard. Wouldn't there be some clue in the formula that it would alter his DNA? Same with the spider in SM1. They claimed they engineered the spider, so you'd think that they'd realize that it's venom can later DNA.

 

[LegendAssemble]

I do kinda have to wonder how no one knew it would turn him into the Lizard. Wouldn't there be some clue in the formula that it would alter his DNA? Same with the spider in SM1. They claimed they engineered the spider, so you'd think that they'd realize that it's venom can later DNA.

They just made the serum and as far as Peter knew it was just for a rat and was going to be made, one day for humans, he had no idea several days later the mad man would be shooting up with it. However the Spider from SM1 has always left me with the same question ever since I saw it when I was 9, the scientist really shoulda noticed that one...Then again this is the same continuity where a man can be inside a sand mutation experiment and he is dismissed as being "just a bird".

 

[Jexx]

In the first movie it seemed like there was no reason for the spider to come and bite Peter anyway.

I always chalked it up to the Spider-gods or whatever they call them.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Some people would call that narsicism.And this lesson should come at the price of the life of someone far better than him?

and???? who cares about those few???

alright dude... i don't see the point of even discussing this further.. you already come off like a troll, and seem to not know anything about peter parker... there's really no point to continue

 

[Dagenspear]

Okay when theres multiple witnesses, probably a couple pictures, and damage that matches the M.O. of a giant Lizard, then it would make sense to ask the guy who's been talking about giving people animal DNA...Also in the real world there aren't hologram labs.

You're the one who brought up the "real world" scenario, I'm just following through with your logic. In the real world NO ONE in their right mind would EVER believe ANYONE who said that they saw a giant Lizard. Would you? Didn't think so. This could all be rationalized away by people who weren't in the know. People lie, or are crazy, pictures can be photoshopped, and can you please tell me where all of this info is that the police could get their hands on of damages that they can compare to that would qualify the Modus Operandi of a giant lizard? I should say though that Peter's lucky he didn't end up in a padded cell, because any lesser of a man would've tossed the loon babbling on about mad scientists and giant lizards, who also happens to be dating his daughter and could be dangerous, into a psychiatric phyicility

Peter gave Connors the equation...yes, but Connors was the one that injected himself with it and acted irrationally. If I give someone a bottle of Advil I don't expect them to swallow the bottle and choke...

By that reasoning Peter also isn't responsible for Uncle Ben's death (which I don't think he is by the way), but yet PETER's warped causality belief system causes him to still see it that way regardless, which was the point I was trying to make. PETER sees himself as being responsible for Captain Stacy's death, even though he isn't, and so the Captain serves as yet another stepping stone for Peter.

Also no he was being overprotective by judging Peter harshly and probably giving him a hard time for being a boy thats seeing her daughter.

What are you talking about? At no point does he EVER do this. In fact I'd say he was pretty accomadating to Peter, considering that he'd just climbed in through his daughters window and God knows how long he's been doing that. It isn't until Peter actively starts insulting his work as a Police Officer that Captain Stacy starts to tear into him, and rightfully so.

If you hate Peter Parker as a character why the hell did you even leave your trolling station in your room and go see a Spider-Man movie at all?

I don't hate Spider-Man. I love the Spider-Man films. However, in this paricular instance, no one needs to, or should die, so Peter can "learn a lesson", and if he needs this to happen so he can be a hero or become an adult, then he really just needs to stop trying to be both right now. In the "real world" people grow and change on their own and don't need tragedy to fascilitate it. I just want Peter to be the best hero he can be, and that's not going to TRULY happen if he needs people dying around him to accomplish it. In fact if anything it hinders his growth as a person.

 

[Dagenspear]

and???? who cares about those few???

alright dude... i don't see the point of even discussing this further.. you already come off like a troll, and seem to not know anything about peter parker... there's really no point to continue

Who cares? They're good, decent, honorable people. How cold-hearted are you?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Who cares? They're good, decent, honorable people. How cold-hearted are you?

.... I was talking about your take on peter's personality............

 

[Dagenspear]

.... I was talking about your take on peter's personality............

And what's your take? Please. Show me your psychological analysis on Peter's character.

 

[Jexx]

she should die of peter's irradiated sperm

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And what's your take? Please. Show me your psychological analysis on Peter's character.

Does it matter? Your opinion isn't going to change...

He's a young teenager with abandonment issues...... If anything he's sympathetic

 

[Web face]

she should die of peter's irradiated sperm

Yes. Now this is a man that is thinking. Straight out of the comics. I hope Webb (or whoever the director for the sequel is) really makes us feel like we are right along side the sperm, following it on its journey to be a murderer.

 

[©KAW]

Okay, what went wrong in this thread?

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

It's normal Hype behavior, @KAW... perfectly normal

 

[Dagenspear]

Does it matter? Your opinion isn't going to change...

He's a young teenager with abandonment issues...... If anything he's sympathetic

Don't ******** me with faux depth. "Aw, look, he's an emotionally stunted narcisist with a warped causality belief system and has no ability to figure anything out or acheive any growth as a person unless he percieves his actions resulted in the death of someone close to him! But it's only because his Mommy and Daddy left him with a loving couple, that he's blood related to, in a healthy home environment, to save his life! CARE!!!" Give me something concrete, an emotionally in-depth analysis that can refute my own.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Don't ******** me with faux depth. "Aw, look, he's an emotionally stunted narcisist with a warped causality belief system and has no ability to figure anything out or acheive any growth as a person unless he percieves his actions resulted in the death of someone close to him! But it's only because his Mommy and Daddy left him with a loving couple, that he's blood related to, in a healthy home environment, to save his life! CARE!!!" Give me something concrete, an emotionally in-depth analysis that can refute my own.

Yup back to tolling. Done with you

 

[Web face]

I'm not quite seeing how Peter is narcissistic. Also I like the way you make it seem like Peter is just a whiny little b**** for being a little lost and sad that his parents left with no explanation and never came back. I guess Batman should just get over his parents death too or else he is just a big baby.

 

[Dagenspear]

Yup back to tolling. Done with you

Dude, it doesn't really matter how you spin it (or web spin it, lol), or justify so you can avoid it by calling it "trolling", the fact remains you aren't giving me anything of substance. Sorry buddy, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

 

[Jexx]

read the links in my signature.

 

[Hawkingbird]

It's normal Hype behavior, @KAW... perfectly normal

On the Bat and Spider boards anyway

 

[Dagenspear]

I'm not quite seeing how Peter is narcissistic. Also I like the way you make it seem like Peter is just a whiny little b**** for being a little lost and sad that his parents left with no explanation and never came back. I guess Batman should just get over his parents death too or else he is just a big baby.

Can we just compare the two for a second? Bruce's parents were murdered right before his eyes, Peter's left him with relatives and he found out their deaths later. Similar, but one drastically more mentally and emotionally traumatic than the other. This does now make me think though that Peter suffers from survivors guilt. I tend to give Batman more leeway, because, ya know, the mental trauma, but... Yeah, I think they both need to get over it, I understand that's not easy, but who they are NOW just isn't emotionally healthy. Being a vigilante is bad for you, it doesn't help anything. Both of these men seriously need to see a shrink.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Dude, it doesn't really matter how you spin it (or web spin it, lol), or justify so you can avoid it by calling it "trolling", the fact remains you aren't giving me anything of substance. Sorry buddy, but that's how the cookie crumbles.

That's because nothing is of substance to you .... You are a minority that none of us have to prove anything to. We all get it. Its not our problem you don't ..

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Can we just compare the two for a second? Bruce's parents were murdered right before his eyes, Peter's left him with relatives and he found out their deaths later. Similar, but one drastically more mentally and emotionally traumatic than the other. This does now make me think though that Peter suffers from survivors guilt. I tend to give Batman more leeway, because, ya know, the mental trauma, but... Yeah, I think they both need to get over it, I understand that's not easy, but who they are NOW just isn't emotionally healthy. Being a vigilante is bad for you, it doesn't help anything. Both of these men seriously need to see a shrink.

Abandonment issues can be worse than death ... Death means your parents had no choice in the matter and there are no questions... Abandonment leaves a box of things you may never get resolved or answered. Abandoned kids tend to take alot out in them selves. Its not narcisistic at all... They have pretty low self esteem

 

[Web face]

Can we just compare the two for a second? Bruce's parents were murdered right before his eyes, Peter's left him with relatives and he found out their deaths later. Similar, but one drastically more mentally and emotionally traumatic than the other. This does now make me think though that Peter suffers from survivors guilt. I tend to give Batman more leeway, because, ya know, the mental trauma, but... Yeah, I think they both need to get over it, I understand that's not easy, but who they are NOW just isn't emotionally healthy. Being a vigilante is bad for you, it doesn't help anything. Both of these men seriously need to see a shrink.

You are wrong about them getting over it. It isn't "not easy," it's impossible. I am guessing you haven't watched TDKR yet. Also, stop trying to make it seem like Peter doesn't have it rough compared to Batman. His parents left with no explanation at all, and then he caused his uncle to die. Neither one is worse than the other. They are both emotionally scarring.