Where did DC/WB go wrong? - Part 1

[Tobias]

Totally, I actually remember seeing on TV they were talking about how Clint Eastwood was going to be the new Batman, I'm thinking it was on some Movie Review show, but I do remember seeing that. I assume it was to be for the Batman Beyond film they were chose over Triumphant.

On the note of bullet-proof franchises, I'd say Iron-Man is there now, after 3 I think its going to seal that franchise as a big one. Thor, I don't know, maybe after a few more films, and class films.
One I'd also add is Wolverine, sure we still haven't really gotten that 'one' film that is the true Wolverine/X-Men, but in due time, I'm sure we'll see it.

I think there are two sets of bullet proof franchises.

Those which cost 250 million or so to make and can rake in 600, 700 or 800 million plus at the BO.

In that category there is Batman, Spiderman, IronMan and, I'll go way out on a limb here and predict it, Avengers too.

Then there are films that can be made for 150 million maybe less, maybe a bit more and can pull in close to 400 million - plus or minus.

Thor, Cap, X-Men and Wolverine.

WB has one in the big league and none in the minor 150 million league.

Marvel has 3 in the big league and all 4 of the minor league members.

Going forward I can see Flash or WW joining the bullet proof minor league but I can't see another DC property joining the bullet prof major league anytime soon.

Unless they re-do GL right. It has huge potential. Other than that I'd guess the next major Batman-like DC franchise will come from a secondary character like Shazam.

 

[Tobias]

Batman isn't just another superhero franchise. It's one of the biggest and safest franchises in the world. It's why people who want WB to stop making Batman films and start branching out into other superhero films are wishing in vain. WB is in the Batman movie business for the foreseeable future.

I expect that WB will turn to other superheroes, likely Flash, WW or JL, in the near future. And there certainly won't be the gamble that GL was in terms of budget for Flash or WW. But, in WB's slate, I think Mad Max poses the big threat for next big tentpole more than anything else in light of Fast Five's box office.

I totally agree. People thinking WB will lay off the Batman reboot for more than 3 years are wrong.

IMO the first new Batman film will be in 3 years. 2015. Followed by a sequel in 2018.

Flash and WW will likely fill in the "holes". Flash 2014, WW 2016 and don't be surprised to see a GL reboot for 2017.

WB goes at a slow pace of one per year and given that I think the projections above are gonna be accurate.

2019? Look for JL. You'll have Bats, WW and Flash but whom else will WB choose to include?Will they use JL as an opportunity to launch one of their non-tried as of yet DC superh-heros in the film. Like that is a no-brainer.

Yup, besides Batman, I see WB's focus shifting now to include WW, Flash and JL.

 

[Grammatizator]

Well there is a new Batman reboot already slated for 2015 release, so yea we know we won't have to wait too long for it.

When it comes to Lantern, I really liked the first one, although it was marketed in the same tone as TDK, and was made to seem serious and most that went to see it were looking for that. Lantern isn't like that, I say give us another one, a sequel, make it mean something, let it get going.
People tend to forget just how 'meh' the initail reaction was for Batman Begins, no one really cared too much, it was OK, but not some massive film everyone makes it out to be now. TDK got more attention because of Joker (a bullet-proof franchise all in himself) and the death of Ledger, if say the film had just Two-Face as the villian, then TDK wouldn't have been this massive thing, thats for sure.

Its also really sad that there was so much riding on GL, there was a Hawkman film, a Flash film and even a Wonder Woman film all ridng on whethere or not GL was huge.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well there is a new Batman reboot already slated for 2015 release, so yea we know we won't have to wait too long for it.

There's been no confirmation of that

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'll be shocked if the Batman Reboot lands in 2015. That's too damn early, in my opinion.

 

[Tobias]

I'll be shocked if the Batman Reboot lands in 2015. That's too damn early, in my opinion.

I'd actually be shocked if there isn't a Batman re-boot in 2015.

True, nothing official has been announced but, I wouldn't expect anything official until this fall after TDKR has completed it's theatre run.

A the rate of one DC film per year WB has to put out 7 films between 2014 and 2020.

Cutting WB slack, they may skip a DC film in 2014. It's starting to get to the point where an official announcement/pre-prod work has to start if WB plans a DC film for summer 2014.

So say 6 films between now and 2020. Can't see WB doing less when Marvel will have as many as 14 or 15 films out by then.

Given GL's failure and Batman's success the only way to anchor a 6 film run is with Batman. 2 or 3 new Batman films in the 2014 -2020 period. Then WB can take the risk and lauch Flash and WW. Or maybe re-launch GL. Those details will only emerge in the next few years. Add in a possible JL film and WB can do 6 new DC films by 2020 and anchor them around Batman to provide a foundation for success.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I'll be shocked if the Batman Reboot lands in 2015. That's too damn early, in my opinion.

I agree. It'll probably end up in development hell for a while anyways. Honestly I think people underestimate how long these things take to come together.

 

[roach]

These things can go pretty fast..depends on the director

 

[Perfect Cell]

These things can go pretty fast..depends on the director

This is true. Once the ball starts rolling, things can get organized and finalized pretty quickly. Especially if the studio wants the film out fast, and is fast-tracking everything. I wouldn't like a fast-tracked, rushed Batman film, but I'm not going to pretend it isn't possible, either.

 

[roach]

AMS and MOS are examples of how fast they can make movies

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Both of those though were 5 and 7 year turnarounds, not 3

 

[BH/HHH]

I really think depending on Man of Steel's box office take that they're gonna do Justice League next. If Man of Steel makes a mint at the BO though they'll probably delay that idea. Personally I hope we get at leats a trilogy of Superman films before they do a Justice League film. It would be good for Batman if they went Batman Beyond though.

 

[craigdbfan]

Having a Justice League with no build up I think would be a big mistake on WB part if they ever decide to do that.

 

[Grammatizator]

There's been no confirmation of that

You sure man, I could swear that it was announced that Nolan was to produce it and it was to be released in 2015?

Tbh I see it happening, they know how much money Batman can make, everyone knows that they'd be there in a second if there was one released, no matter if they thought it was too quick or not.

 

[Tobias]

I really think depending on Man of Steel's box office take that they're gonna do Justice League next. If Man of Steel makes a mint at the BO though they'll probably delay that idea. Personally I hope we get at leats a trilogy of Superman films before they do a Justice League film. It would be good for Batman if they went Batman Beyond though.

WB said Superman wasn't economically feasible for them so I don't think WB is factoring in Superman films as they develop their planned DC films for the rest of the decade.

I don't think WB will try JL before they have their new Batman up and running.

Doing a string of non-Batman solo films over the next many years is way too much of a risk for WB.

Batman is going to have to be the focus IMO. A 3 year turnaround can be done and, if you were WB, wouldn't you do exactly that?

 

[craigdbfan]

There's been no confirmation of that

You sure man, I could swear that it was announced that Nolan was to produce it and it was to be released in 2015?

Tbh I see it happening, they know how much money Batman can make, everyone knows that they'd be there in a second if there was one released, no matter if they thought it was too quick or not.

You're right about it being "reinvented/rebooted" just not about the time frame. It has been confirmed by the president of WB (Jeff Robinov) himself that they will be reinventing the character and keep Nolan as producer.

Source

 

[Tobias]

You're right about it being "reinvented/rebooted" just not about the time frame. It has been confirmed by the president of WB (Jeff Robinov) himself that they will be reinventing the character and keep Nolan as producer.

Source

Thanks for the link. I had recalled that Nolan was staying on for Batman but couldn't remeber where I read it.

I think WB would be wiser to make Nolan Executive Producer in charge of their DC properties.

In any case, a quick Batman turnaround sounds very likely.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Thanks for the link. I had recalled that Nolan was staying on for Batman but couldn't remeber where I read it.

I think WB would be wiser to make Nolan Executive Producer in charge of their DC properties.

In any case, a quick Batman turnaround sounds very likely.

Based on what? If anything, a 4-5 year wait is more likely due to the fact that this reboot will start from absolutely scratch.

New cast, new director, and new story. WB isn't going to accumulate these in just a year.

Why would WB pull a Sony and release a reboot with TDKR still fresh in people's minds?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I agree. It'll probably end up in development hell for a while anyways. Honestly I think people underestimate how long these things take to come together.

Exactly. I see the reboot being released in 2016-2017.

 

[Boom]

Based on what? If anything, a 4-5 year wait is more likely due to the fact that this reboot will start from absolutely scratch.

New cast, new director, and new story. WB isn't going to accumulate these in just a year.

Why would WB pull a Sony and release a reboot with TDKR still fresh in people's minds?

The Spider-Man reboot came five years after Spider-Man 3 .

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The Spider-Man reboot came five years after Spider-Man 3 .

Really??????!

Holy s**t. You're right. I honestly thought SM3 was released in 2009.

Five years still sounds like the best option though.

 

[Boom]

Don't worry. You're not the first one to make that mistake. Though it is curious how Spider-Man 3 is still so fresh in everybody's consciousness that they think it's much more recent than it really is. For better or worse, that film must have had a bigger impact than people realize.

But man, five years already. Where is the time going ?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Don't worry. You're not the first one to make that mistake. Though it is curious how Spider-Man 3 is still so fresh in everybody's consciousness that they think it's much more recent than it really is. For better or worse, that film must have had a bigger impact than people realize.

But man, five years already. Where is the time going ?

Yeah, I'm flabbergasted. I honestly thought SM3 was released much more recently than 2007. Jeez, no kidding -- where has the time gone? Wow.

 

[Tobias]

Exactly. I see the reboot being released in 2016-2017.

I'd say 2016 at the latest and 2015 at the earliest. We are sort of on the same page give or take a year.

BOM opined that 4 years is the outside for sequels and reboots. To capitalize on the success of the previous film.

I don't think WB does JL before Batman is re-established and WB launches another successful solo. Be it Flash, WW or a re-boot of GL. Which franchise it will be beyond Batman is the wildcard that no one can predict.

WB could launch back to back new solo franchises in 2014 and 2015. It's a very big risk. Especially given GL. Less of a risk if WB passes on 2014 and launches Flash or WW in 2015. That could work with a new Batman in 2016.

I'd be surprised if Batman isn't out in 2015 and shocked if it's not out in 2016.

 

[Tobias]

Don't worry. You're not the first one to make that mistake. Though it is curious how Spider-Man 3 is still so fresh in everybody's consciousness that they think it's much more recent than it really is. For better or worse, that film must have had a bigger impact than people realize.

But man, five years already. Where is the time going ?

I think ASM is going to be huge. Much bigger than some think. All the focus is on The Avengers and TDKR but I am totally taken by TAS trailers. It is going to outperform expectations IMO. That's saying a lot as expectations are 600 million plus for ASM.